July 27, 2006 at 11:04 am #52047
Hear that the show is about spanish property problems Friday, 8pm.
July 27, 2006 at 11:42 am #64173
Suzanne will be on it and La Reserva!!
July 27, 2006 at 1:07 pm #64176
what channel please?
July 27, 2006 at 1:17 pm #64177
ITV I think! 😕
July 27, 2006 at 7:23 pm #64183
ITV 1 @ 8:00pm. Filmed in Marbella 3 to 8 July. Hope the edited version does us all justice ❗ ❗ Since filming, the La Reserva developer (Penarroya) has consistently denied there is any problem there.
July 27, 2006 at 8:33 pm #64185
Well done Suzanne for getting your slot on the programme. Hope you aired your problems and you will gain positive results. I was hoping to have my say on this programme but was told they are only filming in the Marbella area. Unfortunately RURAL MURCIA was too far away.
Still plugging away and fighting for justice.
All the best,
July 28, 2006 at 7:56 am #64189
Best of luck Suzanne. I’ll definately be watching. I really hope it brings a positive result for you. 😀
July 28, 2006 at 10:34 am #64196
I hope ITV will be sending a copy of the programme to the Spanish Ambassador
July 28, 2006 at 12:22 pm #64201
I hope ITV will be sending a copy of the programme to the Spanish Ambassador………
………he/she is probably in for it for a few bob as well?, nothing would surprise me now!
July 28, 2006 at 12:29 pm #64202
Not sure who the ‘as well’ applies to ❗ ❗
I was NOT paid to appear on this programme.
July 28, 2006 at 9:21 pm #64216
Well, it was better than the other programmes., given the time allocated. You came over very confidently,Suzanne. Was it all done in one take?
I am just SO thankful and grateful that we are fortunate to have our money back. I really feel so sorry for all the people caught up in this shocking corruption.
July 28, 2006 at 9:27 pm #64217
No, it was almost 3 days of exhaustive filming, countless phone calls later, and a lot of me had to be cut for legal reasons ❗ They didn’t allow former lawyer to be named, and the local ‘nudist’ beach is actually mostly a male gay beach. Why that couldn’t be said “for legal reasons” is beyond me.
July 28, 2006 at 9:45 pm #64218
Just what I found. Why bother doing these programmes if they are scared of firing the real bullets!
July 28, 2006 at 10:32 pm #64221
Well done Suzanne, just saw the programme, but guess what! Just as you began to speak, the electricity cut off – Typical lol… I frantically got it working again though.
I think it helps, because at least for one thing, it raises awareness and hopefully the more they expose developers, it may play some small part in shaming them enough to discontinue their shoddy practices. I for one nearly died at the thought of being on TV, but ultimately, I hope that if anything, it helps other people to be informed and more cautious before they jump into buying.
July 28, 2006 at 10:47 pm #64222
Obviously your TV set couldn’t cope with me on the screen! Nor could I. I was horrified to see myself, but hope the programme will be of help, at least in alerting unwary souls before they part with their cash. They cut my reference to the REA & former LYING lawyer plus some very important references to BGs, but I suppose it wasn’t bad considering the time alotted, and having to include Turkey ❓ ❓ They also got the figures wrong by 60,000 Euros, re cost of apt. but it doesn’t really matter now.
Hope your electric is back on. Maybe we’ll meet up next time I’m in beautful Espana.
July 29, 2006 at 8:40 am #64225
You looked great on TV. At least they exposed that horrid town hall person with his mansion from hell! It really comes to something when you find out your livelihood is very much in the hands of some nihilistic bozo like that!
I’m curious how much actual interview footage you filmed? It seemed to be quite a few hours for us which is strange, considering that they only show such a small part. It got to the point for my husband and I that we were waffling away nonsensically! I remember my hubby was pointing out pitfalls with having no electrics and he said ” We put up a Xmas Tree but had no tinsel” Everyone burst out laughing. Of course, he meant lights!
I have a large BBQ celebration at home tonight but not able to connect to proper elecs until the coming week. Hopefully the temporary box will be good to us this evening, and I’ll be mentioning your story to people tonight – word does get around.
Suzanne, I pray that all turns out well for you and that justice is served, you have my full support.
July 29, 2006 at 10:57 am #64232
Reproduced from this week’s SUR in English newspaper
Junta opens planning office in Marbella
Past re-zoning deals declared invalid as council did not seek approval of “Consejo”
The Junta de Andalucía has moved the drawing up of Marbella’s new town development plan (PGOU) back to Marbella with last Friday’s opening of an office in the town. Located in the Planning building, from where Juan Antonio Roca once ran his “business”, the office will be managed by José María Ruiz Povedano, the former provincial head of Public Works. The office will offer “participation, information and planning development in the general interest of the town”, according to Concepción Gutiérrez, the regional head of Public Works. Povedano added that the priority of the new PGOU would be to recuperate the green zones and public amenities that the town has been deprived of for the last 15 years.
The latest revelation resulting from the caretaking committee’s work at Marbella Town Hall is that all of the planning modifications made by the local authority involving green zones are in fact invalid. All planning changes of this kind must have the approval of the Andalusian “Consejo Consultivo”, a body whose decisions are legally binding. To avoid facing the disapproval of this body, the council, under Jesús Gil, Julián Muñoz and Marisol Yagüe alike, simply did not ask their opinion. In fact only one change has been submitted to the “Consejo Consultivo” in the last 15 years. This in effect means that all modifications made are null and void. It has been agreed that the Consejo Consultivo will start to look through all the modifications made from October, although much of the paperwork is in fact in the hands of the courts.
August 1, 2006 at 8:44 pm #64286
Watched the programme today – a taped version. You came across perfect in every way and at least you did name the developer. Pity not the other thieves as well.
Yes 2003 was the year – same year for me – will never forget!
Those property exhibitions in England should be banned.
I recently visited a Trampolin Hills development in Campos del Rio – 3 show homes built and a sales office. No building works were going on and the sales lady I spoke to said with great pleasure that they had sold the whole of phase 1. Not a builder in sight nor any lorries, cranes, diggers or workman. What does that tell you! They are laughing all the way to the bank. I suspect they do not have a licence to build but this is only my opinion. Buyers are still handing over their money on off-plan property. I would be interested to return to the site in the future to see if there has been any progress. Perhaps somebody on here knows what is happening there.
Once again Suzie hope you get results soon.
All the best,
August 1, 2006 at 9:12 pm #64288
Thank you Lizi ❗ Your words are very generous.
It was a shame my naming of the scheming lawyers had to be cut for legal reasons! Ironic really, when we’re trying to expose illegal actions of lawyers ❗ But if I have to, I suppose I can understand the reasons behind this 🙁 They also cut some vital information about BGs but the programme just wasn’t long enough for it all really.
Interesting point about these Property Exhibitions. I’m sure that if enough of us got together we could all confront the people who run them armed with our own experiences & facts , or at least the Consumer Protection Society over here, and ask why they are not vetted – as surely they can’t be. Certain lawyers also attend some of the exhibitions ready to gain new clients at the same time – I’ve seen the ads. Something can be done about this I’m sure. I’m going to look into it and would be happy of some support/advice from anyone on the forum who’s interested.
August 1, 2006 at 10:08 pm #64289
You came across very well on the TV programme Suzanne. Well done.
Re property exhibitions. There are many held here in Ireland too – mainly in Dublin.
I would be interested if those resident in Ireland who have also been caught out would contact me – by PM preferably.
Like you Suzanne it would give me a lot of satisfaction to confront them at these exhibitions. Perhaps we could get the consumer watchdog interested and the media in general?
How about all you out there who have been badly treated by developers and/or lawyers?
August 2, 2006 at 6:54 am #64297
Suzanne & Seamus,
Paul who contributes here has an ongoing campaign against these exhibitions. He has himself confronted the chairman of awful estates at a couple. I’m sure he could give you some pointers! 😉
August 2, 2006 at 10:08 am #64305
He has himself confronted the chairman of awful estates at a couple. I’m sure he could give you some pointers! Wink
I have also personally confronted the MD of an awful REA – its totally pointless. “Their set line is |”we are only a facilitator introducing you to the developer” “it is your responsibliity to check the legalities” and finally apon my comments about the crap “after sales service” an oxymoron if ever their was one!!!!! I was given the name of a person who did actually nearly … sort some stuff out for me, until they left ! Of course the only reason he allowed me to door step him was because he had already been informed that I have been to my lawyer to prepare a denoucia. They just dont care – why do you think that they are not resident! – the owners of the big REA all live abroad – try and track them down in Thailand or South Africa and see how far you get. They know this and because of all the bribes they have paid to the Marbella Town Hall feel that they are inmune. Whether this changes with all the arrests – who knows.?
Remember that with the big companies the majority of the sales staff are commission only self-employed wide boys who leave after a few months – so can be conviently “blamed” for any furture problems. This was certainly the excuse he offered to me for my problems, this is despite his agency having and Exculsive on the development.
I cannot advise you enough to stay clear of off-plan from the big British agents. Interestingly the big Spanish ones such as Unicasa – check the facts before offering a property for sale and the commission is 2% to the seller and 2% to the buyer. 🙄
There is plenty of re-sale property about – its often cheaper and is available now and you don’t have to worry about LFO!!
August 2, 2006 at 7:32 pm #64340
It’s just a shame I don’t have my money back to buy one of these wonderful properties that “are available now” 🙄 And I would certainly STILL be worried about all licences, probably even more so. I’m not sure that buying a re-sale property in Spain now is as pain-free a process as you state. In fact, there ARE people trying to shift “completed” illegal builds & their lawyers are helping them to do so 👿
August 2, 2006 at 10:58 pm #64353
There are many legal builds in Spain. If you research your area and don’t buy resales from the new developements especially in the areas with problems that have been well documented over several years.
CDS, Albox area of Almeria and Valencia are the worst it appears .
However the fact that people refuse to believe and still want to buy in these areas leaves me speechless.
For every dishonest agent , developer and lawyer there are twice as many honest and hardworking working ones who can find out within 24 hours ,or less, whether a property or land is totally legal. If yours is unable too don’t walk run away
Using the same logic and process one would in UK and at all costs avoiding the property exhibitions the outcome = happiness 😀 .
August 3, 2006 at 2:15 pm #64387
As Claire has said Suzanne, I have had a run in with the Chairman of ‘you know who’ at exhibitions at the Grosvenor House Hotel and other venues and more worrying for them at the Excel Centre where many of their clients were being misled AGAIN about various aspects of ‘hot investments’ in Spain, it certainly saved a few more people parting with their deposits.
I think if people turned up at exhibitions with their placards and a reporter or two it would focus their minds a bit more, I think it’s an excellent idea. 😛
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