[Anonymous]

It is very sad that when we talk about anything in Spain besides a fiesta, eating or drinking. It always starts with ” the problem in Spain is ……. so negative about the Country & I am equally guilty of it or shall we say realistic about it.

The subject has been inspired by Katy posting on buying land in Spain. What does the forum users feel. Is it negative or realistic

[Anonymous]

A forum is often about discussing things. People that are satisfied hardly ever take the time to post about it in a forum like this. It’s like a customer that has gotten bad service will shout it out way louder than those that have gotten good service. When people that talk about another country where they have not been born thats how it usually starts because they have a totally different background. It’s also very easy to spot the differences in culture but at the same time most cultures have many similarities.

I have never visited a forum where the majority of the posts are “happy clappy” but it can still be very educational. Under the current circumanstances I must say that this forum is way more “happy clappy” than you could expect and I think it comes down to vested interests.

[Anonymous]

@mgspain wrote:

@shakeel wrote:

The subject has been inspired by Katy posting on buying land in Spain. What does the forum users feel. Is it negative or realistic

We are in the aftermath of one of the biggest property bubbles of all time. I want to hear from people with first hand experience. A bad move in this market can affect the next 10 years of your life. I want all the gritty dirt on what goes on, if I mess up after being warned then that will be my fault. Most of us here saw the madness that went on up until 2007/8.
From my perspective, most of Katy’s posts are met with a nodding of the head, I gentle reminder that the rule of law is not as strong in Spain as many of us would like, and that includes the majority of Spaniards.

@Ardun wrote:

I have never visited a forum where the majority of the posts are “happy clappy” but it can still be very educational. Under the current circumanstances I must say that this forum is way more “happy clappy” than you could expect and I think it comes down to vested interests.

I’m a bit lost on that one.

What I meant is that it’s more positive than you could expect from a property forum that discusses the spanish situation.

[GarySFBCN]

The subject has been inspired by Katy posting on buying land in Spain. What does the forum users feel. Is it negative or realistic

I’m addressing Katy’s posts in general – not any specific post. When I first started reading Mark’s blog and the forum, I was put-off by Katy’s sarcasm and negativity. But over the years and after some reading of posts that predate my participation here, I completely understand her sometimes reactive posts: There is/was a hell of a lot of cheerleading by people, some who represented as fact nothing more than marketing fantasies. I do believe that katy brings a valid perspective and interesting experiences to this forum. And the occasional scrapes that some of us may have experienced with her are artifacts of communicating using this medium. I see it everywhere on the Internet. There still does not exist a universally accepted and adopted code of conduct, and we all evolve at different speeds.

Now addressing your specific question, , I think katy’s response is realistic but delivered with a bite. I would consider what she wrote among other opinions before making a decision.

PS: Where’s logan?

PPS: As this subject isn’t at all about property, it would seem bettter suited for the ‘all other subjects’ forum.

[Anonymous]

I have had no problem with Katy previously and looking back find helpful and perfectly ok responses..Hope we can keep friendly on here !. From now on I will only post what I think is useful information and delete posts after a while that nobody is interested in. I have thought that as this is about Spanish Property discussions about solely UK issues like politics are off topic and best avoided except to the extent that it affects those who own or are thinking of buying there but this is a matter for the site provider. I think it good if we have posts that say something about the positive -the nice things about life living in Spain and learning the language which enables engagement with the local people -Michel Thomas CD’s I find a great help -found some in Library and bought some on ebay.

[katy]

The subject has been inspired by Katy posting on buying land in Spain. What does the forum users feel. Is it negative or realistic

….and has Katy said anything that hasn’t turned out to be true ❓ Seen the latest post from someone who bought a few plots ❓ Sorry to rain on your parade but it’s the wild west out there….you just can’t help some people can you 😈 😈 😈

[angie]

Been away for a while, but just a quick post on this subject. I think the majority of people on here like Spain as a country with it’s culture, food, music, climate etc, the negativity arises with what is happening with the Spanish property market and finances or the causes of it’s crash especially the mis-selling that went on and still does to an extent although maybe getting better. Realism is definitely needed shakeel 😉

[Anonymous]

Its not only the property sector. Where ever there is money involved we have issues !!!!

[Chopera]

Katy takes a bit of getting used to! 😉 When I came on here I felt I was reading 20 rather bitter and sarcastic posts to every informative one. I assumed there was some history behind it but, since so few others were posting, I thought it better to ignore it (even though I also wondered if it was why so few others were posting).

However in general it hasn’t been a good situation for any Spanish property forum over the last few years. Most people would want to visit this forum because they are interested in buying property in Spain, and if someone is interested in something they tend to want to find ways of doing it rather than be constantly told reasons for not doing it. Even if those reasons are well founded. So while it is important to be told a few hard truths the fact that it has been so negative isn’t conducive to attracting and keeping lots of people on this forum.

Personally I’m someone holding a bit (but not a huge amount) of cash and I should be able to get hold of a bit of finance. Property has crashed by at least 40% in Spain so I keep telling myself that there must be opportunities out there. On paper I am in a good position. But every time I see a cheap, lettable property the numbers still don’t add up. Rents have fallen as well while other costs have gone up. So then I start to consider alternative ways of investing in property, such as land. My head says there is still some way to go in this crash before property becomes a good investment, while my heart says this crash can’t go on that much longer.

[Anonymous]

Add to the cost i.e. reducing your yield. The cost of EPC. I fail to see why new built would need this. If the properties were not built with energy efficiencies.Than it should be the developers or the Banks to rectify the situation and not the buyer.

I can see the reason for a older properties requiring one. As I understand that responsibility for issuing EPC as normal is given to the Government/local government thus handing them another source of funds/extortion.(One of the reasons Spain will never be Florida)

Its like buying a brand new car & requiring a MOT in the first week or months ???.

NB: In London I pay £23 for an EPC certificate and can be done at a mutually convenient time.

[katy]

I object to being dissected on this forum. 😈 😈 I don’t remember telling anyone who came on for information don’t buy. I remember one discussion saying if I was buying for a lifestyle I wouldn’t wait years for prices to drop, I would be out there enjoying it!

I know a lot of people personally affected by illegal properties/cons/scams etc. Why shouldn’t I point out the pitfalls when the happy clappy posters with vested interests come on with their bullshit…the punters still have a mind of their own. I repeat what I said earlier….I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING THAT ISN’T TRUE!! Lots more have when they said on here that prices had bottomed 2 or more years ago and the usual sales up again 🙄

Anyway Shakeel thanks for this and attracting the Vultures. next time you want a bit of info’ I shall say no lo sé 😈 😈

….and chopera up yours

[Anonymous]

@Katy; No body on any forum have say ” no lo sé ” or the famous word ” I know nothin “

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