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I would like to say thankyou to all of those who have been nice to me on this forum, but I have now come to the conclusion that I am wasting my time fighting the corner for the sellers and positive posters on here.
When people start calling me names and getting personal, I draw the line. I will not be insulted by anyone and would rather not waste my valuable time on here any longer.
Thankyou to everyone who has been nice and just listened to a sellers point of view even though I have probably been one of the only sellers on here… My intentions were only ever to try to look at things from a positive perspective. And to look to the future of Spain in a more positive light. I do love Spain as a country and know it will recover sooner rather than later, so I will stick to my guns and my views, but will keep them to myself in future…
Mark, I think your site is great, by the way!And thankyou to all those sellers who have sent me personal emails via this site who have told me they have given up on this site from the constant insults from certain people on here.. I should have listened to you sooner…
I am sure, some will answer this post with probably nasty comments, but this will just highlight the reason I am not posting on here anymore, and will also highlight the culprits…anyway, you can see that for yourselves on all the previous posts from me…how I have been put down on every post I have made….
All the best to all and I hope you eventually find the property of your dreams in Spain 😉
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@ethnatkev wrote:
I would like to say thankyou to all of those who have been nice to me on this forum, but I have now come to the conclusion that I am wasting my time fighting the corner for the sellers and positive posters on here.
Is that what you think you have been doing?
Laughable really. The world situation is so bad that if the EU and USA and the rest of the West got together and used their entire financial might, it still would take several years solve the problem.
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there is nothing wrong with trying to stay positive but when you keep posting articles writen by people who are trying to talk the market up when it clearly is in big trouble and most commentators who know what they are talking about and don’t have a vested intrest say it will get worse before it gets better then people who have been on here a while and seen many people duped and ripped off by these sort of people you aren’t going to win many friends.If you want to think that spain is on its way up so you don’t have to face the truth thats up to you but you can’t see the sun if you have your head in the clouds.
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I find it sad that a pro-Spain poster has been hounded off the forum by the anti-Spain brigade. Of course they are entitled to their opinion, but they have somehow taken over this forum and are stifling any sensible debate. It seems to be wall to wall negativity with every item of negative news about Spain triumphantly posted as soon as it is found, like that ridiculous IMF thread.
My estate agent friend here in Spain was on his way to the Notary this morning with three clients, his third visit to the Notary since Monday, six sales in total halfway through the week.
I suggest that kind of news is more indicative of how things are progressing in Spain, rather than the continuous Eurosceptic babble.
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@Rocker wrote:
It seems to be wall to wall negativity with every item of negative news about Spain triumphantly posted as soon as it is found, like that ridiculous IMF thread.
Why is the thread ridiculous ❓ It is true and has been all over the spanish news!
My estate agent friend here in Spain was on his way to the Notary this morning with three clients, his third visit to the Notary since Monday, six sales in total halfway through the week.
Yeah whatever 🙄
I suggest that kind of news is more indicative of how things are progressing in Spain, rather than the continuous Eurosceptic babble.
If you read back on this persons posts you will see that she was the abusive one and therefore invited abuse from others. She was unable to debate. TBH the poster just came across as someone desperate to sell.
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I’ve no complaints about the moderation, and I enjoy a discussion with someone with an anti-Spain view, and if they start with personal insults and name-calling that doesn’t bother me much either because they will have lost any argument anyway and just make themselves look silly (and I can well look after myself).
I’ve only been posting on this forum for a year, and in that time I’ve been constantly amazed by the unreasonable negativity from a large and apparently well-organised quarter. It’s made me wonder. Why?
I can understand bitter people who have had their fingers burned by unwise property investments, mostly on the CDS, but all that took place years ago, they have moved on and Spain has moved on. The people who cheated them are either in prison already, or queuing up to join them.
This is a different country from ten or twenty years ago. Of course it’s got problems, but nowhere near the amount trumpeted on this forum by the anti-Spain cabal.
I posted only a few hours ago that an estate agent had sold six houses so far this week, and one of the cabal’s cheerleaders immediately came back with a silly remark. It makes me think that they might be robots programmed to respond this way whenever a key phrase is mentioned.
Spain is a wonderful country with an amazing climate, and full of guest-friendly people, and that’s why I’m here.
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I’ve no wish to cause an argument, but I’ve just remembered something important.
Chris McCarthy, the former boss of Viva, has posted that he is re-opening his business in Spain. Now he knows his stuff and I think he’s right to get back into the Spanish property market at this time. It’s at the bottom, but the demand is stronger than ever.
I don’t want to sound over-dramatic, but the other markets, like the US, Eastern Europe and Australia are no longer attractive to buyers, for lots of reasons, and Tunisia has just fallen off the radar too.
It may not happen this year, but I’ll eat my hat of Spanish property prices don’t take off next year.
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Spain has lots of faults, but where doesn’t? I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. Certainly not the UK.
Buying property in Spain is full of pitfalls. That’s what this forum is here to help with.
Take what you want out of this forum but never take anonymous comments from people you don’t know and who don’t matter to you to heart. Life is too short.
I follow a lot of forums and you always get this sort of rough and tumble. It’s human nature.
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I’m afraid I don’t agree with that – there’s just no excuse for being rude. You should be able to put your point across without resorting to insults. I thought these type of forums were meant to be like having a discussion in the pub. If you spoke to people face to face like they do here on the forum, you’d end up getting a black eye!
I once made some comment about Olvera (where we have a holiday home and will be retiring there in a few years) and one of the regular posters called it an “asshole village”. Why not just say you personally don’t like the town for whatever reason.
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I totally agree with Mark and Brian. To get a balanced opinion you need to look at the whole picture, bearing in mind that we’re all in cyber space. And we’re all different.
Personally, my quality of life in Spain is much better than it ever could be in the UK, and I can’t emphasize it strongly enough. I’ve also bought and sold houses in both countries, on a personal basis, and the UK is a much safer place for that sort of activity.
Spain is a difficult jungle, full of the most awful pitfalls, when buying a property. The Spanish people are the friendliest people in the world, until they get behind the wheel of a car or you try and do business with them. They suddenly turn into monsters.
There are many court cases progressing throughout Spain, concerned with property development and corruption, but the one originating from Polop, in Alicante, is the most poignant in my opinion. The mayor, an honest man, an exception, refused to agree to a property deal that would have made him rich.
His deputy, a fellow Spaniard, shot him dead.
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It is no harm to have a good discussion and hear both sides, it makes for healthy debate, certainly other forums can do that without getting personal or offensive to other posters and in my opinion whatever forum you post on there should be a code of etiquette towards others. Just because you are posting on cyber space and faceless/nameless does not give anyone the right to be offensive in their use of language while posting their view.
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Angela, I don’t know which forums you frequent that you find consistently so benign. It is certainly not my experience. I speak as moderator of a number of them, a couple of which are considerably busier than this.
There are a couple of issues with online forums. By far the biggest I feel is that, as people miss the intonation that comes with face to face conversation, or even a phone call, the intended meaning can get misconstrued. How often, for example, have you said to someone or had said to you, something along the lines of, “You must be mad” or “That’s idiotic”? Face to face it is usually taken as good natured and rarely causes rarely causes offence. On an online forum however a fair percentage of people will take offence.
There are also, I’ll grant, a few people who hide behind the anonymity of the net and dish out insults. Saying things that they wouldn’t dare to face to face. In my experience these people are relatively few and far between.
All of those that Ethnakev accused of ganging up on her, myself included, certainly don’t fall into that second category. Personally, whilst I may not have used some of the expressions they did. Had they been aimed, at me I would have brushed them off.
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@brianc_li wrote:
Angela, I don’t know which forums you frequent that you find consistently so benign. It is certainly not my experience. I speak as moderator of a number of them, a couple of which are considerably busier than this.
There are a couple of issues with online forums. By far the biggest I feel is that, as people miss the intonation that comes with face to face conversation, or even a phone call, the intended meaning can get misconstrued. How often, for example, have you said to someone or had said to you, something along the lines of, “You must be mad” or “That’s idiotic”? Face to face it is usually taken as good natured and rarely causes rarely causes offence. On an online forum however a fair percentage of people will take offence.
There are also, I’ll grant, a few people who hide behind the anonymity of the net and dish out insults. Saying things that they wouldn’t dare to face to face. In my experience these people are relatively few and far between.
All of those that Ethnakev accused of ganging up on her, myself included, certainly don’t fall into that second category. Personally, whilst I may not have used some of the expressions they did. Had they been aimed, at me I would have brushed them off.
Well said! I am not just referring to the “Ethnakev” situation but some of the expressions used by some of the regular posters can be a bit harsh and arrogant at times. Funnily enough at the moment these posters are very quiet! By the way some of the other forums I am talking about and they are not all spanish related are torrevieja forum, the propertypin, askaboutmoney.
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I don’t really post very much since I have joined the forums, but I read all your comments on a daily basis with great interest.
I am new to researching/buying property in Spain and really appreciate everyones views. Either being new to the forum or being an established member of varying degrees of knowledge and experience. For me the there is a fine balance between, intrigue, knowledge, present and past bitter/sweet property buying in Spain. I like hear everyone’s views, However radical or extreme. I personally think this is key to a good debate and consequently a good forum.
Whilst I understand people post the forum for differing and sometimes dubious reasons, most people have the common sense to filter the obvious ones out, without being so blatant as a total character assassination. If you disagree with someones opinion , then just say so and say why, politely. Surely it makes for a more informal atmosphere, where people can ask primary questions, without being made to feel guilty of their lack of knowledge? I have in the past wanted to ask questions, but felt a bit uneasy, due to the (sometimes) terse reply of other members questions.
I do feel it is a shame that someone feels vitimised in to such a degree that they have to leave these open forums. If my memory serves me right there were previous posts that had to be deleted, that had far more extreme content.
Personally I shall miss ‘ethnatkev.’ I know that she had a little personal axe to grind, but she told it as she saw it. I appreciate honesty like that.
Grit
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