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http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_24990.shtml
This one before even the UK press published anything.
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The tales of woe just seem to go on and on without any firm action by the regional or central governments to redress the wrongs that have been committed.
If they put their heads in the sand and pretend they have firm control over the Spanish economic policy as they have over the propert market God help them.
I have a feeling that one day there is going to be a backlash in Spain over the way the the population have been governed.
Richard
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Richard
well I hope there is?
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There has been a slew of articles like this in the mainstream media recently. Several in El Pais and at least one big feature in El Mundo. No attempt to blame the buyers. It’s the result of the good work being done by the likes of AUN organising protests and so on.
The Spaniards I talk to are seething about their political leadership. Disgust with the corruption and so on. Disaffection is definitely growing.
Mark
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@mark wrote:
There has been a slew of articles like this in the mainstream media recently. Several in El Pais and at least one big feature in El Mundo. No attempt to blame the buyers. It’s the result of the good work being done by the likes of AUN organising protests and so on.
The Spaniards I talk to are seething about their political leadership. Disgust with the corruption and so on. Disaffection is definitely growing.
Mark
Wait till they realise what “internal devaluation” means.
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Is internal devaluation a euphemism for cuts in public spending, reduced wages, reduced pensions, higher unemployment and eventually higher mortgage payments as the ECB increases interest rates to keep the Franco-German economies from overheating.
Perhaps one day the powers that be may realise that when you have a marketable product like the the spanish property market you have to work hard at ensuring that your customers and potential customers retain confidence in the product. What you don’t do is show total indifference to their concerns when they experience problems. It only takes a short time to lose a good reputation and a very long time to regain it
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@rt21 wrote:
Is internal devaluation a euphemism for cuts in public spending, reduced wages, reduced pensions, higher unemployment and eventually higher mortgage payments as the ECB increases interest rates to keep the Franco-German economies from overheating.
Yes, thats the one.
@rt21 wrote:
Perhaps one day the powers that be may realise that when you have a marketable product like the the spanish property market you have to work hard at ensuring that your customers and potential customers retain confidence in the product. What you don’t do is show total indifference to their concerns when they experience problems. It only takes a short time to lose a good reputation and a very long time to regain it
Lets face it, most spaniards are bloody idiots, so dont hold your breath for those powers that be…
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Most Spaniards are intelligent, sensitive, family orientated individuals, who are proud of their country and heritage.
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Not the political ones 😆 .
BTW – here’s the El País article about corruption in Valencia:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/Comunidad/Valenciana/Corrupcion/urbanismo/salvaje/elpepiespval/20100207elpval_2/Tes
‘Corrupción y urbanismo salvaje – La vía penal destapa la ineficaz disciplina urbanística del Consell’. It mentions Catral, Bigastro, Zarra, Llíber, Polop and Montroi. -
I too am hearing serious discontent about the government. But, it seems to me that the problems are so great that they are impossible to correct in the short term (maybe 4 years).
I do not wish to be an apologist for the politicians here, as I think they are weak and ineffective.
However, does anyone really think that a new government will fix this?
Elected officials will always try and do (or say) what gets the voted into power, and will take short term populist measures to stay there. It seems to me that the issues in Spain need a more serious, and long term approach.
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@maximus wrote:
Most Spaniards are intelligent, sensitive, family orientated individuals, who are proud of their country and heritage.
You are right maximus, they are, however its a tad frustrating seeing whats happening to spain whilst most spaniards are unaware of the real depth of the problems.
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Historically Spain has always been badly governed with inept leadership. Pre civil war Spain was governed to quote Gerald Brennan by ” hard-drinking, whoring, horse-loving aristocracy” who ruled “over the most starved and down-trodden race of agricultural labourers in Europe.” Miguel Primo de Rivera being a prime example.
Then they got rid of Alfonso and Franco took over with iron fist and jackboot leadership. Post Franco Spain can hardly claim to have had any examples of decent inspiring leadership.
Spain is a new democracy they are learning how to do it. Coming of age if you like. If they seem clueless that’s because generally speaking they are. So are their institutions. There is no blueprint for pluralism in Spain. The Catholic Church used to run the country and that’s hardly a institution that can claim any good governance of people.
The problem is peoples expectations are high. Disappointment is an inevitable side effect of democratic systems. All political careers end in failure. -
@logan wrote:
The problem is peoples expectations are high. Disappointment is an inevitable side effect of democratic systems.
I agree.
It’s interesting (to me) to hear some middle aged Spanish tell me that life was better under Franco. I do wonder if this was due to lower expectations, and therefore less disappointments. I would have guessed that things were more stable under Franco too, but I’m no historian.
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