March 2, 2007 at 5:44 pm #52687
A friend has her property for sale on various websites. She has received several scam messages of the type I want to by your property without viewing it…etc. Now has a message from someone in China, an ex-pat?? Asking for further details and says he has friends in Almeria who could come and view. Details sent by e-mail and when she returned home today the person had left a message on her home phone and her mobile. I feel it could be a scam but it must be expensive to call from China. Don’t want to give her wrong advice though. What do you guys think ❓ [/b]
March 2, 2007 at 6:26 pm #69751
There are lots of things you can do with an email to find out whether it originates from a SPAM house or is a scam.
First of all i would do a search on Google for the return email address used, when the search results come up look under ‘Groups’ to see if your buyer is a known spammer or scammed.
If know how to get the the email headers (the information sent with the email usually hidden if you use outlook etc) then check the email IP address against blacklist databases like http://www.spamhaus.org/
If you are unclear about any of the above, and as a further check either telephone or email your ISP and ask them to check if this email came from a spammer or scammer.
I run anti spam software here at home (and work) and to be honest anything from China is classed as SPAM full stop.
Hope this helps
March 2, 2007 at 9:57 pm #69754
i totally agree with Paul. Scammers are getting so sophisticated nowadays.
We had an enquiry that came through and I would never have believed it was spam until I googled the name and it came up on a spam forum in the US!
If it sounds dodgy then it probably is.
March 3, 2007 at 1:01 pm #69765
Far be it for me to be negative but I think the alarm bells are ringing here.
March 4, 2007 at 4:12 pm #69783
Just lunched with my friend and she had a call from the guy in China yesterday. He is an American, says he would like more info and asked questions re. legal papers (says he has read about the malaya saga) must be a scam and he is trying to gain her trust. Will keep everyone posted to act as a warning…I thought they all came from Nigeria 🙄
March 4, 2007 at 4:30 pm #69784
if it is a scam then they will eventually ask for bank details to make a transfer. They will probably ask for all the bank detials and your friend will be asked to sign a fax with the detiqals on. This effectively gives auithority to them to transfer funds from her account.
However if they are genuine (and it is possible) then they will never need your friends signature to send funds (you just dont) and so if they ask for a signature of any sort refuse and tell them where to go (politely of course)
It may seem unrealistic that someone can buy off the internet without seeing it but it does happen. I bought a house in the UK this way (although I did see it I would have bought it without seieng it as it was exaclty what I wanted). I also have a friend who sold his house to an American (living in Abu Dhabi) over the internet, the guy had never seen it, he transferred money to their account then came to view his new acquisition (and fortunately loved it) – it does happen though not very often.
However caution is the byword. Do not EVER give anyone personal details and make sure that your friend never signs anything unless in front of a lawyer.
Better still if they really want to go ahead with it but are unsure, open a new account with a few euros and give the people this account – but never sign anything unless in front of a legal representative
Good luck and best wishes
March 4, 2007 at 5:04 pm #69785
Thanks guys for the advice, I have passed it on. I know someone from Hong Kong who bought in the UK from an advert but they did appoint a lawyer at an early stage. I feel as though its a scam but when she said he had spoken about the malaya case ❓ Maybe he is just confidence building.
March 4, 2007 at 6:06 pm #69789
18 months ago after advertising on a property web site , I had an e-mail followed up by a phone call, mail etc from America, said he was a Spanish business man working in US, didnt come to anything but it all seemed pretty genuine and he never did ask for bank details etc.
So not all enquiries have to be scams, will be interested to know how it pans out.
March 5, 2007 at 10:59 am #69797
Hard to say if this is a scam or not but there are scammers doing just like this sound, check the link http://www.homesonsale.co.uk/forum/t218-nigerian-419-scammers-targeting-property-owners-arrrggghh.html good luck
March 5, 2007 at 5:35 pm #69805
Thanks a lot Jim 😡 Read that thread and found this link on there http://www.419eater.com/
Managed to do absolutely NO work this afternoon through laughing my tits off 😆
Some of the stories on there are priceless (if a little long).
Talk about getting your just deserts. Very funny. 😉
March 5, 2007 at 6:33 pm #69817
Well blwo me down with a big hairy stick. Today I received a call from a French number from someone asking about my property for sale. After telling him the price and about it he said he would be comiong down on thursday to see it. But (there is always a but isnt there) he wants to speak tome face to face about the deal – which probably means one of two things
1. He is trying to ghet rid of dirty money (ie laundering it)
2. He is trying to get rid of dodgy (stolen or forged money)
It should be an interesting conversation on thursday as I have invited my lawyer down as well.
Not sure if this is a scam but something just aint right – but you never know, I may have a genuine buyer
Good luck toyour friend katy but beware. If it soudns too good it probably is
March 5, 2007 at 7:03 pm #69821
Well, at least you ought to get a decent lunch out of it if nothing else 😉
March 7, 2007 at 3:45 pm #69883
Pleased and suprised to say it doesn’t seem to be a scam, sister who lives in spain is viewing on Sat. My friend has asked me to go along as she is alone.
March 10, 2007 at 7:48 pm #69960
One way i sort though the spam is to check the Ip address location from the sender whioch I gather from the email forms on my website, that way you have a good idea how valid it is, then check though your logs and see what pages they visited and where they came from i.e. a google search or other.
I also set up an email account for sending emails that I’m not 100% sure of, that way if it’s starts getting spam, the account can be deleted and you can set up another anti-spam account.
March 13, 2007 at 12:36 pm #70002
well our man came down this weekend to have a look at not one but both myhouses. As I suspected he wanted to clean his dirty money. As I told him if I accepted dirty money what would i do with it except buy another house and have to under declae (but we werent talking a couple of thousand here he had millions)
Whilst it was tempting to sell I dont wish to be a part of money laundering. It also sounded very much like a Nigerian Scam
Good luck to your friend Katy
March 27, 2007 at 8:49 am #70356
We have had loads of them for a property we have. They usually come fromFrance or Belgium and want to buy without viewing. They invite you up to France or whereever meet you in a hotel and say they will only do it if you exchange a lot of 500 Euro notes for smaller denomination ones. Also no contract just straight to the notary. eg Euros house to be declared at for example and Euros in 500 notes and you give them 50000 Euros in smaller denomination notes.
Got the story from the Telegraph online I think. Very dodgy but lots of people getting caught out apparently. It must be that a lot of the notes are forgeries even though they let you check some while there.
Don’t touch them Vince 😆
March 27, 2007 at 9:10 am #70359
thanks for the advice but rest assured I have no wish to launder someone elses money or take the chance that the money is forged. I have basically told him that if he wants to pay in cash that is no problem, but all the money goes to my bank for checking and is then held in a 3rd party escrow account until the notary. Also that all money is declared
Needless to say I havent heard back from him
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