February 26, 2007 at 1:14 am #52675
In the run-up to the May elections, the Partido Popular have said that they plan to publish a national map of all building and protected land on the Internet, so citizens have complete access.
What an admirable/ambitious idea but do they honestly think they can put on the internet every metre of Spain so people can check if a piece of land they hope to have a future home on is ‘protected’ or not? Or have I misunderstood??
They also say all town councillors will have to give a public statement of their assets before standing for election and again when they leave office, as a control on illegal enrichment. Harsher penalties will be imposed by those found guilty of corruption.
But what about all those brown paper bags under the bed, and Swiss bank accounts?
It all sounds like a step in the right direction – but like Blair’s pre-election boast of making his number one concern “education, education, education”, isn’t this all just empty rhetoric?
I would be happier if I heard from them that they intend to arrest and punish the directors of property developement companies who have pocketed millions of euros from unsuspecting purchasers who bought into illegal builds and shattered their dreams, as well as ruining huge chunks of the Spanish coastline. They are all still out there enjoying almost total impunity.
People can be imprisioned for nicking a car, but not it seems for nicking millions of euros under the ‘protective shield’ of the name ‘Property Developer’.
February 26, 2007 at 9:11 am #69647
No one can deny its a mess but at least in some shape or form they are trying to go in the right direction.
No one can alter the past and all are not going to agree with some of the decisions they make in the future.
As there are hopefully some major decisions to be made over the next few months, why cant we a least give them a chance to somehow make ammends.
Thousands are waiting for good news as surely they have had enough of the bad and efforts to try to support them would be far more benificial.
March 5, 2007 at 6:29 pm #69816
I think you may find that the technology is already in place for doing this. The Valencia town hall has an excellent site where you can enter a property or plot of land and you can print off the catastral record (whether it is rustic, urbano etc, how many metres there are, what is cuirrently constructed (if anything) and the allowable construction. It makes checking for legal and registered property a doddle
It will zoom in to a very high scale and the even have photos of the plot taken by satellite so you can see the street as it is.
It stands to reason then if the Valencia government have it (and they are PP) then it wont be too long before the rest have it, iof they dont already. I wouldnt be surprised if all town halls already had it. Not a lot of people know about the Valencia opne and it does take some trial and error to actually find it, but it is excellent.
So whio knows perhaps it is a step in the right direction.
March 5, 2007 at 7:01 pm #69820
Not just for Valencia!
March 6, 2007 at 10:22 am #69840
I don´t know about elsewhere but here you can view the catastral map online – by which I mean a ariel view showing all the catastral boundaries…just don’t ask me where to find it as I can’t quite remember..it was very slow to load and I gave up waiting at home but it was fine with broadband/ fast connection. It was off from the local government website…I guess this could be adapted to show builds but it seems a lot of work, unless the map is updated regularly at the moment and colour coded or something…
March 6, 2007 at 1:39 pm #69846
The practicality of this is easy, while I do not make a living at web site design, give me a database of places, names etc and Google mapping and I could set it up in two or three hours.
I think charlie was talking about the political will to change the current system, which clearly is open to abuse.
There is an old saying with regard to this “garbage in, garbage out.” In other words anyone can change the database of information which populates the map to say anything.
March 7, 2007 at 3:23 pm #69881
Thanks to Vince, Hillybilly and Heather for your replies – have been away for a bit, and surprised to return to learn that all this existed.
Vince – when you say the website will also show ‘allowable construction’, do I understand correctly that if say one was interested/involved in an unbuilt property off-plan or otherwise, one could actually check if it was legal for that construction to take place?
Hope you’re enjoying your new pad in Valencia by the way 😉
March 7, 2007 at 6:20 pm #69893
yes you canbasically find out if there is permission to build and how mcuh can be built on it (superficie and ediofcable)
Basically it will tell you the amount of metres the ground has. how much is buildable (ie suppose you have a plot for pisos it will be for example 400M, with a possibility of builñding 75% which means that you can build 300M. Then it will tell you that you can build Planta Baja plus 5 alturas plus atico, so you can build 300M per floor x 7 which is 2100M edificable, or Al Techo.
It will also tell you what type of construction is allowed (viviendas, industrial, agricultural etc) amd what type of land it is currently (ie rustic, urabasiable, urbano etc)
Whilst this is available in the Valencia town hall (and possibly others outside Valencia community) it is also available if you ask the town hall – this is how I used to do it before I discovered the town hall site. It is also something which should be done as a matter of course before putting a plot of land on the market, not sure if this is currently law in Spain (probably not) but it is something which most people sellign land do or should do
Hope this helps
March 8, 2007 at 1:02 am #69913
Many thanks Vince – oh how I wish I knew all this back in 2003….
New purchasers take note – all this info is out there and accessable. My advice is take advantage of it.
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