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Greeks withdrew 1 billion Dollars worth of Euros since May 6th, with a reported 700 million Euros taken out of Banks yesterday alone, at that rate it wouldn’t take too long for a total Greek banking collapse which some say could be contagious throughout Eurozone and another Banking collapse generally!
Where is this money going, under the mattress, exchanged for Sterling, Dollars or some other currency, Gold for example?
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@peterhun wrote:
@Ardun wrote:
It’s still just craptastic paper money though. Real investment gold would be my best bet.
LOL, Gold. You may as well buy Lead, at least its useful.
Hehe I’m actually not a goldlover myself but it’s quite good in the sense that it’s small and historically never really lost any real value. It’s used quite a lot in electronics also so It’s just not bling bling. Copper is in my opinion a better metal but you need so much of it so it becomes a problem that way.
You guys can mock me all you want for being a “nut” 😆
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@peterhun wrote:
@Ardun wrote:
It’s still just craptastic paper money though. Real investment gold would be my best bet.
LOL, Gold. You may as well buy Lead, at least its useful.
Hehe I’m actually not a goldlover myself but it’s quite good in the sense that it’s small and historically never really lost any real value. It’s used quite a lot in electronics also so It’s just not bling bling. Copper is in my opinion a better metal but you need so much of it so it becomes a problem that way.
You guys can mock me all you want for being a “nut” 😆
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@Ardun wrote:
Hehe I’m actually not a goldlover myself but it’s quite good in the sense that it’s small and historically never really lost any real value. It’s used quite a lot in electronics also so It’s just not bling bling.
Of course has its uses. But “historically never really lost any real value.” is a fallacy. Gold is a highly speculative investment that doesn’t give a return like most assets. And of course Gold has lost value, buy it during price spikes (1980 and now for instance) and after it collapses again, you will die before the price returns to what you bought it.
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@Ardun wrote:
Hehe I’m actually not a goldlover myself but it’s quite good in the sense that it’s small and historically never really lost any real value. It’s used quite a lot in electronics also so It’s just not bling bling.
Of course has its uses. But “historically never really lost any real value.” is a fallacy. Gold is a highly speculative investment that doesn’t give a return like most assets. And of course Gold has lost value, buy it during price spikes (1980 and now for instance) and after it collapses again, you will die before the price returns to what you bought it.
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@peterhun wrote:
@Ardun wrote:
Hehe I’m actually not a goldlover myself but it’s quite good in the sense that it’s small and historically never really lost any real value. It’s used quite a lot in electronics also so It’s just not bling bling.
Of course has its uses. But “historically never really lost any real value.” is a fallacy. Gold is a highly speculative investment that doesn’t give a return like most assets. And of course Gold has lost value, buy it during price spikes (1980 and now for instance) and after it collapses again, you will die before the price returns to what you bought it.
Yes but it has still always had a value. Not like paper money after revolutions, economic collapses, wars etc. The gold price is very high at the moment and it might crash from these levels but it will not become worthless.
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@peterhun wrote:
@Ardun wrote:
Hehe I’m actually not a goldlover myself but it’s quite good in the sense that it’s small and historically never really lost any real value. It’s used quite a lot in electronics also so It’s just not bling bling.
Of course has its uses. But “historically never really lost any real value.” is a fallacy. Gold is a highly speculative investment that doesn’t give a return like most assets. And of course Gold has lost value, buy it during price spikes (1980 and now for instance) and after it collapses again, you will die before the price returns to what you bought it.
Yes but it has still always had a value. Not like paper money after revolutions, economic collapses, wars etc. The gold price is very high at the moment and it might crash from these levels but it will not become worthless.
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Food and fuel keeps its value or increases. Property is a far better investment than gold at this stage, gold is in a speculative bubble and will lose 75% of its value over the next decade. Its lost 20% in three months, making it a bear market. Property would take years to lose that much and even if it did it would still provide a yield. Gold is shiny, which is a yield of sorts.
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Food and fuel keeps its value or increases. Property is a far better investment than gold at this stage, gold is in a speculative bubble and will lose 75% of its value over the next decade. Its lost 20% in three months, making it a bear market. Property would take years to lose that much and even if it did it would still provide a yield. Gold is shiny, which is a yield of sorts.
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@peterhun wrote:
Food and fuel keeps its value or increases. Property is a far better investment than gold at this stage, gold is in a speculative bubble and will lose 75% of its value over the next decade. Its lost 20% in three months, making it a bear market. Property would take years to lose that much and even if it did it would still provide a yield. Gold is shiny, which is a yield of sorts.
Food and fuel are great things to own but the problem is how to store it. Buying contracts for future food/fuels etc will also become worthless if the financial system is found out.
Are you going to store 100 drums of oils in your garage? Or a warehouse of food which will rot? Food has also dropped quite a lot in inflation adjusted numbers so I wouldn’t call it safe.
Nothing is 100% safe in this pyramid scheme because of how much credits the fractional reserve system have spewed out into the system.
Water reserves should be a good investment and I doubt it will ever become useless.
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@peterhun wrote:
Food and fuel keeps its value or increases. Property is a far better investment than gold at this stage, gold is in a speculative bubble and will lose 75% of its value over the next decade. Its lost 20% in three months, making it a bear market. Property would take years to lose that much and even if it did it would still provide a yield. Gold is shiny, which is a yield of sorts.
Food and fuel are great things to own but the problem is how to store it. Buying contracts for future food/fuels etc will also become worthless if the financial system is found out.
Are you going to store 100 drums of oils in your garage? Or a warehouse of food which will rot? Food has also dropped quite a lot in inflation adjusted numbers so I wouldn’t call it safe.
Nothing is 100% safe in this pyramid scheme because of how much credits the fractional reserve system have spewed out into the system.
Water reserves should be a good investment and I doubt it will ever become useless.
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@peterhun wrote:
Well, I bought farmland and so apparently are a lot of investors. Gold would have been a good idea a few years ago, no its a ridiculous bubble.
My plan is to keep buying more land.
Sound investment. With an ever increasing population and needs this cant go wrong.
I bought woodland? since farmland is quite regulated here.
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@peterhun wrote:
Well, I bought farmland and so apparently are a lot of investors. Gold would have been a good idea a few years ago, no its a ridiculous bubble.
My plan is to keep buying more land.
Sound investment. With an ever increasing population and needs this cant go wrong.
I bought woodland? since farmland is quite regulated here.
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May 17 (Reuters) – Customers of troubled Spanish bank Bankia, nationalized last week, have taken out over 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) from their accounts over the past week, El Mundo newspaper reported on Thursday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/bankia-idUSL5E8GH0AC20120517
Edward Hugh on Facebook: In an attempt to manipulate the stock price Bankia was systematically buying its own shares, even as it was being nationalised. So now, among the many “jewels in its crown” the bank has a a 4.3% holding in itself.
Now tell me that regulations are not necessary.
And until the criminals in the financial industry are jailed and forced to give up all of their personal holdings to begin restitution, do not even think of cutting one pensioner’s meager income.
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May 17 (Reuters) – Customers of troubled Spanish bank Bankia, nationalized last week, have taken out over 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) from their accounts over the past week, El Mundo newspaper reported on Thursday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/bankia-idUSL5E8GH0AC20120517
Edward Hugh on Facebook: In an attempt to manipulate the stock price Bankia was systematically buying its own shares, even as it was being nationalised. So now, among the many “jewels in its crown” the bank has a a 4.3% holding in itself.
Now tell me that regulations are not necessary.
And until the criminals in the financial industry are jailed and forced to give up all of their personal holdings to begin restitution, do not even think of cutting one pensioner’s meager income.
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@Ardun wrote:
Sound investment. With an ever increasing population and needs this cant go wrong.
I bought woodland? since farmland is quite regulated here.
Actually its a bit harder to buy woodland in Poland I believe, but farmland still needs a permit til 2016 for non-Poles. Its not really cheap either (its too easy to convert to building land worth 10x as much), but fertile. They reckon 10-20 ha is enough to basically be a rich farmer. Owning over 3.5ha removes planning restrictions for building (similar to Spain?).
I heard its not unusual to buy lakes in Sweden – but the upkeep is expensive.
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@Ardun wrote:
Sound investment. With an ever increasing population and needs this cant go wrong.
I bought woodland? since farmland is quite regulated here.
Actually its a bit harder to buy woodland in Poland I believe, but farmland still needs a permit til 2016 for non-Poles. Its not really cheap either (its too easy to convert to building land worth 10x as much), but fertile. They reckon 10-20 ha is enough to basically be a rich farmer. Owning over 3.5ha removes planning restrictions for building (similar to Spain?).
I heard its not unusual to buy lakes in Sweden – but the upkeep is expensive.
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peterhun interested lecture about commodity money and FIAT-money http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt-6lHTpefU
It’s a little bit weird in our country since we have something called “allemansrätten and strandskydd”.
Allemansrätten = the right for anyone to walk around on anyones land basicly and you can’t really fence it off. You are not allowed to walk around in someones garden though. You are allowed to pick wild berries etc as long as it’s in a none commercial way.
Strandskydd = protection against people who want to build to close to lakes/water which would mean that not everyone could use them.
You can’t really own a lake but if you control all land around it you could “wrongly” say that you own the lake though you don’t. The only lake you can own is if you make one yourself.
I meant that it was easier to buy forrestland here than for example farmland because you need to buy whole farmlands at once and not small pieces. They don’t want the farmland split up since it would mean less productive farming… thats the idea at least.
I love Poland. Usually go and visit the area of Poznan once in awhile to stock up on certain chemicals. My mother has a lot of friends from Poland since she spent a lot of time playin handball there when she was young.
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peterhun interested lecture about commodity money and FIAT-money http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt-6lHTpefU
It’s a little bit weird in our country since we have something called “allemansrätten and strandskydd”.
Allemansrätten = the right for anyone to walk around on anyones land basicly and you can’t really fence it off. You are not allowed to walk around in someones garden though. You are allowed to pick wild berries etc as long as it’s in a none commercial way.
Strandskydd = protection against people who want to build to close to lakes/water which would mean that not everyone could use them.
You can’t really own a lake but if you control all land around it you could “wrongly” say that you own the lake though you don’t. The only lake you can own is if you make one yourself.
I meant that it was easier to buy forrestland here than for example farmland because you need to buy whole farmlands at once and not small pieces. They don’t want the farmland split up since it would mean less productive farming… thats the idea at least.
I love Poland. Usually go and visit the area of Poznan once in awhile to stock up on certain chemicals. My mother has a lot of friends from Poland since she spent a lot of time playin handball there when she was young.
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“I meant that it was easier to buy forrestland here than for example farmland because you need to buy whole farmlands at once and not small pieces.”
Thats the one difference, in the UK a farm would a hundred Ha, in Poland you can buy individual fields of a couple of acres. There are millions of farms so you build up a bit by bit. All my neighbours want to sell land, they have grown up children who want city life not working on a farm like their parents.Have you ever been to Lithuania? I crossed over from Poland and was shocked at the desolation. Just over the border, most of the land is just abandoned, with trees beginning to to take back the fields. Its depopulated.
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“I meant that it was easier to buy forrestland here than for example farmland because you need to buy whole farmlands at once and not small pieces.”
Thats the one difference, in the UK a farm would a hundred Ha, in Poland you can buy individual fields of a couple of acres. There are millions of farms so you build up a bit by bit. All my neighbours want to sell land, they have grown up children who want city life not working on a farm like their parents.Have you ever been to Lithuania? I crossed over from Poland and was shocked at the desolation. Just over the border, most of the land is just abandoned, with trees beginning to to take back the fields. Its depopulated.
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@peterhun wrote:
“I meant that it was easier to buy forrestland here than for example farmland because you need to buy whole farmlands at once and not small pieces.”
Thats the one difference, in the UK a farm would a hundred Ha, in Poland you can buy individual fields of a couple of acres. There are millions of farms so you build up a bit by bit. All my neighbours want to sell land, they have grown up children who want city life not working on a farm like their parents.Have you ever been to Lithuania? I crossed over from Poland and was shocked at the desolation. Just over the border, most of the land is just abandoned, with trees beginning to to take back the fields. Its depopulated.
It’s the only one I haven’t visited of the baltic states.
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@peterhun wrote:
“I meant that it was easier to buy forrestland here than for example farmland because you need to buy whole farmlands at once and not small pieces.”
Thats the one difference, in the UK a farm would a hundred Ha, in Poland you can buy individual fields of a couple of acres. There are millions of farms so you build up a bit by bit. All my neighbours want to sell land, they have grown up children who want city life not working on a farm like their parents.Have you ever been to Lithuania? I crossed over from Poland and was shocked at the desolation. Just over the border, most of the land is just abandoned, with trees beginning to to take back the fields. Its depopulated.
It’s the only one I haven’t visited of the baltic states.
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