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    • #51141
      Anonymous
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      โ— โ— โ—

      Click on the links.

      http://property.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14052-1260342,00.html

      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1582327,00.html

    • #59166
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Tania, here are the links again through the S. Times.

    • #60163
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Hi, I am a new user both to the site and the process of spanish property purchases.

      Scrolling through the forum yesterday I came across the Times article about Russian money laundering and a development at Alcaidesa and immediately panicked.

      I have just placed a deposit on an off plan apartment at the resort so can anybody provide an update on the problems encountered by purchasers at Alcaidesa.

      I have done quite a lot of research and I have a lawyer acting for me. Everything appears to be in order with liscences and deposits but discovering problems like this makes me naturally nervous.

      Deos anybody have any more or more up to date information about this ‘Operation White Whale’ and Yukos oil.

    • #60167
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Stef,
      Has the agent or the lawyer given you no information?
      You must press them for detail.
      In the mean time search the web on ‘ballena blanca’, DVA, Del Valle etc.

    • #60172
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Hi yes I’ve sent queries to both our agent and our lawyer and I’ll post any wothwhile info I get back. In the meantime thanks for the web search hints, I’ll try them too.

    • #60173
      Anonymous
      Participant

      After living on the coast for many years and dealing in Property for a great number of those, I am always utterly amazed by how there are so many “die hards” who still continue to try to sweep under the marble floor the hard truth. This is the hard truth to anyone thinking of moving, working or investing in Southern Spain. The Costa del Sol money game is a dangerous game indeed, albeit buying property or investing in anything at all. And this is because of one simple fact. You never know who you are dealing with. Anyone who has lived AND worked on the Costa del Sol for a number of years will tell you thats the simple truth.

      To all the other “die hards” who still insist that this is not the case, well, where have you been. By the pool? On the beach? Or just stuck with your head in the sand…….

      The amount of storys I have heard personally from people losing everything through these bogus developers is a scandel in inself and far exceeds anything the time industry ever threw at our “international holiday destination”. Its a disgrace and it CANNOT be allowed to happen to people. Peoples lifes and hopes and plans all gone down the drain with their life savings on a “living the dream” pitch from some scumbag ex timeshare salesman who would sell his own grandmother if he needed a beer. These people are called to the uninitiated, “agents”. (Some of you may see where I am going with this). They come in all shapes and sizes and are seen up and down the coast in various “hotspots” or “ideal renting and investment areas”.

      Basically, you can see them walking around, acting and talking like a normal human being and you can see their lips move, but somehow all you can hear is “BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT”. This is a foreign language known to a few natives on the coast but it roughly translates to this “Buy THIS house/apartment from me NOW as I wont be here in six weeks time ANYWAY and I don.t give a FLYING ….. if you want it or not or your grannys operation is to be sacrificed for it! Just BUY it as if I dont sell, I don,t eat. I am a Costa del Sol real estate. That what I am.

      I really think there should be support groups or helplines for the breed as they truly are a leach on society.

      No, I cannot respect the way this coast can deny the truth about how people are scared to spend there money in Southern Spain and its NOT just scaremongering. This coast has a responsibility within its property arena to address this as a whole and SORT OUT THEIR AGENTS! They pay peanuts and get monkeys.

      And to all newcomers who are thinking in Spain just remember this if you are at all suspicious when househunting. If it smells like a dog, if it looks like a dog and if it barks like a dog…….ITS A BLOODY DOG!!!!!

      The difference between a bad reputation and a good one in a property company relies on one thing. Its agents that represent them.

    • #60175
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Dear Guest,

      Your post above should be put on hand outs to anyone on an aeroplane flying into Malaga, Alicante and Murcia airports and put on big hoardings all over Southern Spain. You sum the property market up sooooo well!

      ๐Ÿ‘ฟ

    • #60176
      Anonymous
      Participant

      How cynical…….and how true.

      Claire I’m glad you included Alicante and Murcia. Can I also add Almeria?

      Tilly

    • #60179
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Dear Stef,

      Donโ€™t panic until you know more.

      Not all developments in Alcaidesa were affected. Iโ€™d be surprised if any agents were still selling affected developments, though anything is possible on the Costa del Sol.

      The worst affected was Sea Regency Golf. I donโ€™t know what the status of that development is now, but I know of a support group for people who bought there if it turns out that is where you have bought.

      Hard hitting post from Costa Shark. A lot of truth in it. However believe me when I say that there are still some decent companies out there.

      Regards

      Mark

    • #60182
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Yes that was a hard hitting post by Costa Shark and yes there was some truth in it. But it also sounds like a bit of personal venting.

      After all, Costa Shark, according to your own words –
      “After living on the coast for many years and dealing in Property for a great number of those” – it sounds as though you have been an agent yourself. I would venture to guess you do not view yourself as one the corrupt of who you speak.

      My only point is that not ALL are of the same mold. Yes there are many many horrible agents out there. But the good news – in my opinion, is that things are changing. Not fast enough, but they are changing. I have been here for a little over 10 years and I see the slowdown in the property market as the best possible thing for the CDS. 3-4 years ago when things were really flying high in the property game – the numbers of people who perfectly fit the description Costa Shark gave (ie everything out of ther mouth = Bull***t, Bull***t Bull***t) was astounding!! There are still a LOT here, but they are gettiing weeded out. And it is my hope that with all the people and businesses moving down here, we will continue to move toward the norm of business being done properly and transparently.

      We have a long ways to go – but I truely believe we are moving in the right direction.

      And education is the key. So I take my hat off to Mark for creating this board. I recommend it to everyone I come in contact with who is thinking about buying here. A little education and common sense will go a long ways.

      Anyway – that was my rant. As you were.

    • #60183
      Anonymous
      Participant

      ooops – forgot to log in for that post.

    • #60184
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Stef,
      To my knowledge the three developments at Alcaidesa specifically affected by Ballena Blanca were those developed by Alleerton or associated companies. These were:

      Sea Golf Regency (developed by Alleerton)

      La Villa en Alcaidesa (developed by Alleerton) which had been completed before this all came up – although there may be some doubt about title deeds

      and Sea Golf Apartments

      The Sea Golf Regency has had an administrator appointed by the courts to deal with completions

      Sea Golf Apartments may or may not be embargoed and there are attempts by buyers to get court permission to refinance the finishing of building works

    • #60186
      Anonymous
      Participant

      @Claire wrote:

      Dear Guest,

      Your post above should be put on hand outs to anyone on an aeroplane flying into Malaga, Alicante and Murcia airports and put on big hoardings all over Southern Spain. You sum the property market up sooooo well!

      ๐Ÿ‘ฟ

      Thanks Claire. I would love too. We thought of that years ago and got very nearly to the point of trying it, but we were coaxed out of it from, eh,…. more knowledgable ex pats working here. If you have the experience on this coast that I have, then the airport is off limits. Giving out leaftlets with the truth about agents would NOT be a good idea. The property companies and agents who represent them may have a good grasp of the coast, but they most certainley should not use the airport as a sales pitch for property. Again, as my point previously was trying to get across, not everything here is at it seems. Just because something is attractive from the outside does not always prove what lies beneath.

      There are certain “rules” that only people that live here AND WORK here over a length of time; not the ex pats who live by the pool and the golf course – lucky you by the way, get to know. Feel free to e mail for an answer that will satisfy you if your curiosity take the better of you. Just ask for Nosmo King.

      This is an excellent web site forum which was recommended to me by a personal friend known to Mark. Only taking the time recently to check it out, I see how vital this forum is. Bringing people together to air the views they have to keep quiet only makes this coast better, not worse. Good work whoever thought of it. (Wish I had actually, among other bloody ridiculous ideas, like the photo copy machine outside the police station on a van at 8am every other Tuesday….could charge what you like for that as the Spanish don.t provide one….Who WOULD NOT pay a tenner not to leg it over the other side of town, which seems the only place the authorities think to put one, just to SAVE TIME QUEUING to get an NIE number or another bit of paper that has to be photocopied and stamped over a billion times! The times I have spent waiting and waiting in some sort of queue, is beyond belief…..another story…)

      A lot of people have asked me how to sum up the Costa del Sol in one sentence. And this is purely from my own perception of the truth as I see it. I have three different answers depending on who is asking…..There are two short answers and one long one.

      You never know who your dealing with ๐Ÿ˜ˆ …….

      “Arsehole drain of the World!”. 8) …. or the long one.

      If you bring money with you to Spain, to live, work or play….always keep control of it. Never let anyone else do that for you here. Trust is like respect. You have to earn it. Live, work or play here or all three. But do it gradually before you invest in Spain and KNOW what you are getting in to. That way you can only blame yourself when it all goes tits up….but you can also pat yourself on the back when you have success. Because if you can live and work on this coast for more that one year, you can live anywhere on the planet. ๐Ÿ˜€

      Take care and be aware. Apart from that. This place is Fantasia. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      By the way Mark. Good work. Forums are essentially there for people who want to express an opinion they feel strongly about. Maybe where they cannot in other ways. Like the poor agent. I think an “agent helpline” should be set up. You would make a bomb…….

    • #60187
      Anonymous
      Participant

      @Guest wrote:

      Yes that was a hard hitting post by Costa Shark and yes there was some truth in it. But it also sounds like a bit of personal venting.

      After all, Costa Shark, according to your own words –
      “After living on the coast for many years and dealing in Property for a great number of those” – it sounds as though you have been an agent yourself. I would venture to guess you do not view yourself as one the corrupt of who you speak.

      My only point is that not ALL are of the same mold. Yes there are many many horrible agents out there. But the good news – in my opinion, is that things are changing. Not fast enough, but they are changing. I have been here for a little over 10 years and I see the slowdown in the property market as the best possible thing for the CDS. 3-4 years ago when things were really flying high in the property game – the numbers of people who perfectly fit the description Costa Shark gave (ie everything out of ther mouth = Bull***t, Bull***t Bull***t) was astounding!! There are still a LOT here, but they are gettiing weeded out. And it is my hope that with all the people and businesses moving down here, we will continue to move toward the norm of business being done properly and transparently.

      We have a long ways to go – but I truely believe we are moving in the right direction.

      And education is the key. So I take my hat off to Mark for creating this board. I recommend it to everyone I come in contact with who is thinking about buying here. A little education and common sense will go a long ways.

      Anyway – that was my rant. As you were.

      One guess. Your a Marbella agent!!!

      Reveal yourself, guest!! I totally agree with everything you are saying and if this is truly the picture you are painting for a bright and happy future for new agents thinking of working here on the CDS to be an agent, then GOD BLESS. I have spent my time AND money trying to educate anyone I meet about learning from my own mistakes when I first arrived, rather than their own. I AM a cynic, who the …. isnt? You have been living and working here in Spain? Well, yes ….so have I. I agree that the slow down is a good thing. But what about the little guy huh? What about them? Ask yourself this. If YOUR son or daughter wanted to spend a year on the coast, knowing what you know, what would you say? Interesting..

      I hate to see time and time again another story of another victim of this coast. I would stand up and be counted in a campaign to stop this. If the Brits can come over here and change the coast (and come on, make no illusions here, we have whether it be changing the coasts “code of ethics” to actually just trying to be honest? Where did that old fashioned word go? I love this place and have seen the best AND the worst of my life here. But its only terrain. Its the people that make the planet not the barren land. I am glad you say, Mr Guest, that there is a new breed…but I doubt it. Where is the good “godfather” here. Where! Nobody protects you on this coast unless you have money to pay someone. You cant even get protection from the lawyers who are dodgy! I want to ask you one question. Where do you go when your lawyers screwed you over or your accountant has? No. Its not happened to me, my accountant is Spanish and very trustworthy. But what about the new ones coming here? What do they do? Trust the next flashy office they see in P Banus?

      When all is said and done. What are you going to do if you get a problem here on the Costa del Sol and you have no money?

      Not answers on a postcard please, but surely, even Mark would recognise the realism here. Things have to change, but in order to change all these issues have to be recognised. The honest truth is hard. But its better than being a liar. Thats why you BECOME a journalist.

    • #60191
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Nosmo โ€“ you are right, I am an agent. Or was an agent. But my optimistic comments are not made as a sales pitch to convince people to come here. They are my genuine observations โ€“ but that being said they are probably prejudiced by the fact that I plan to stay here for many many years and this is my home and I want it to be a place to take pride in. And I am by nature an Optimist. And again, I am only saying that I think it is better than a few years ago. We have a LOOOONG ways to go!

      One of the ways I see a change is in the knowledge that many new people to the coast seem to possess. From conversations I have with friends who work for various agencies, Iโ€™m told over and over how clients are much more educated. Knowledgeable buyers will only help to reign in the unscrupulous agents and hold the lawyers and accountants to a higher level of behavior. (In theory anyway)

      And it wasnโ€™t my intention, as you say, to paint a picture of
      โ€œa bright and happy future for new agents thinking of working here on the CDS to be an agentโ€.
      I personally donโ€™t know how anyone could be a well-qualified, effective agent on the CDS unless they have lived here for at least several years. No offense to any new people to the coast who are agents. I just think there is so much more to being a good agent than chauffeuring clients to the different developments or showing them a few re-sales.

      But to answer your question as to what I would tell my son or daughter who wanted to spend a year here. I would say:
      do not trust people the same way you trust them back home. It is a different breed here. There is a large transient population, many of whom are here because they couldnโ€™t or wouldnโ€™t fit in to society back home. Many can appear quite professional and genuine and are very well spoken, but they will take your shirt if you let them.

      I would say if you plan to spend a year here, great! Enjoy the sun, the night life etc. But if you plan to make a life here – learn the language, learn the customs, make Spanish friends, respect the country and the culture. The Spanish population NEED good ambassadors from other countries. They truly want to like the foreigners moving in โ€“ but we have to give them a reason. Namely โ€“ RESPECT.

      I have so much more I would like to say โ€“ but I am afraid I am rambling again, so I will leave it at that.

      Hasta luego mis amigos

    • #60192
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Well said James – you are right about what is needed to live alongside the true Spaniards in Spain. What Spain doesn’t need, I suspect, is more vast areas devoted to loads of ex-pats who go to Spain to try to create another patch of “little Britain”. I experienced this scenario when living in Cyprus.

      Nothing isolates individuals more than not even trying to learn the language of the country you are living in and not attempting to respect their culture and traditions. That happens all too frequently in UK!

    • #60204
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Well, this is what I call a forum. A strong opinion from all, with valid points that I am sure most people on this coast can relate to.

      With the new Sellers and Buyers packs being issued by the government in the UK next Spring, it would make perfect sense to bring this into the Spanish property process. Real Estate agents are now preparing to offer an “in house service” such as Halifax and Your Move in the UK. Would this not be a good idea here? I am sure most people have experienced problems with paperwork or taxes not being paid on property, only delaying the process for the buyer and the seller. When anyone sells a house, they get a “sellers pack” and all this should be in order whilst marketing the property takes place. Surveys done, taxes paid, all snagging lists sorted and dealt with BEFORE completion making the whole sale able to proceed without delay. How many times have sales been delayed because of another piece of paper from Madrid or whatever?

      If you could literally buy a house just by going to the Notary with a file on that property, life would be a lot easier for the lot of us. It does not have to be law to introduce this, the agents could. Unlikely to happen though. This is still a third world country in lots of ways.

      Great forum by the way. Really informative and I like the topics covered and so eloquently expressed (Costa Shark, Nosmo King Brilliant!)….Could not have put it better myself!

      Hard hitting maybe but the valid points that were made are only what a lot of people actually experience. At least I know that I am not alone in that view!!

    • #60208
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Bjorn, do you seriously think anyone could/would trust a sellars or buyers pack….from Spain!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????? I don’t think so. ๐Ÿ™„

    • #60215
      katy
      Blocked

      you can get information easily from the property register for the cost of a few euros, or even on the internet by getting a nota simple. this tells you the basic details of the house and if there is a mortgage or any other debts. This is virtually the only thing the lawyer does for a search.

    • #60216
      katy
      Blocked

      Didn’t add that until a few years ago agents would ask the seller to see the escritura before they marketed the property and would get a nota simple themselves.

    • #60217
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Oh well, thats alright then. If its as (nota) simple as all that, then thats why all of us agents never have any problems then? Is that right? Well, all the deals I have had (apart from a few) seem to have problems, problems, problems. Its not just the documents, but its the chain reaction it causes. Mortgage problems, mortgage companies from the UK wanting info for the british people they are lending too, its not just as NOTA SIMPLE AS THAT! For gods sake! The sun shines here, but life was so much SIMPLER in the UK.

      If it is, any jobs going where you work?

    • #60266
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Readers should compare the article in yesterday’s S. Times and the one mentioned in the links at the head of this post by clicking on it. How similar!

      Their sales tactics are just the same, misleading projections, over-priced property because of their commissions added on, ways to evade taxes and pay cash (illegally) for properties, pressure to put deposits down before you leave, recommended lawyers (avoid) etc etc Avoid them with a long barge-pole!

    • #60267
      Anonymous
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜• How confused i am by Paulยดs comments. This coming from someone who did make alot of profit from his property abroad!! You really are very bitter, arenยดt you. Is it not time you moved on, with your profit, and I do hope you spare a thought for those who work in these agencies that you affect with spreading you lies.

    • #60270
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Paul is entitled to his opinion and this is a way of expressing those opinions, good OR bad, whether you like the opinions or not.

      The fact is if it was YOUR money you would not appreciate anyone telling you to “move on”. If it was YOUR money that you had lost through one of these sharks then you would be bloody fuming like I would. To say the very least. Its not YOUR lifestyle or childrens future thats going to be on the line is it? Why should you care?

      After living in southern spain for nearly 25 years, I can honestly say that 80% of the people I have had the pleasure to do “business” with have been dishonest, shady, totally without integrity and only interested in one thing before they move on. Money. They would stitch you up if they could get away with it. Fact.

      Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it. I would like to hear Pauls or anyone elses view even if some of the readers dont like reading the truth.
      Its unfortunate for you – Joe – as you are probably an agent, that by the very nature of your job you have to prove the opposite view to your future clients. That is unfortunate but true nevertheless.

      And for all those who know who these sharks are? Expose the little s…..ts I say Name and shame them.

      No more than they deserve.

    • #60271
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Eric,

      Not everyone is a shark, alot of people take pride in their job in finding a product that is just what a client is looking for. It is very satisfying to hear from clients who are taking pleasure in their properties.

      Now unfortunately, all investments carry a risk, whether they be stocks, shares, paintings or property. Investors know this and you always hope to make a return on your investment, but sometimes the market runs against you and that is not possible.

      I hope that people who are findinng it difficult will have a better time of it next year, sincerely. My point to Paul was more along the lines that there is no point moaning when 1 apartment didnยดt sell, when the others did, especially if you did not declare everything fully.

    • #60277
      Anonymous
      Participant

      I can’t let this go by without comment…(particularly as the other thread has been locked!)

      O…n are the pits as far as I am concerned. I have never come across such an opportunistic, shafting operation in my life. Like most of the operators in the spanish property market they take advantage of ‘green’ purchasers who, up until now, have not had any chance of finding out for themselves what goes on in Spain, relying on the smooth talking of ‘Professional Agents’ holding themselves out as the buyers’ friends and ‘who will help them through the process’.

      It is about time that proper regulation was in place and effective remedies available. The ‘success’ of the agent depends on a manageable number of completions going through without major hitches and he never wants to know about sorting out the bum deals that he has introduced to clients. O…n hide behind ‘… its up to your lawyer’, ‘…our company lawyer says not to get involved’, ‘…why don’t you just go away, we can’t help ..its the developer’s fault’.

      I am not alone.

    • #60279
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Bravo. Every word you say reflects many many peoples views, on O…. .. E…..s and the rest of the so called “i am your new best friend” agents. Like so many on the Costa del Sol, money is their only source of fulfillment. Shallow, but to agents such as these there will always be another sucker that bites the dust as far as they are concerned. There will always be another waiting to have his or her money taken if they are stupid enough to fall for it. Buyers beware.

      I sincerely hope that views can honestly be expressed to anyone that will listen, to help drive these sharks out and whichever country they flock to. Let the newcomers listen and be warned by these comments. If this army of greedy lying sales agents leave Spain, they have to move on somewhere. After all, real sharks have to stay on the move or they die. Just watch the newer hotspots after the damage they have done to THIS coasts reputation.

      Hopefully 2006 will see a genuine awareness to all in business or those who come to Spain to purchase property, that people are no longer going to take treatment like this lying down. If more people complained when they had a bad service in this country on any other, we would ALL get a good service.

      Long live freedom of speech to expose the scum that ruin peoples lifes.
      Especially on excellent forums like this one.

    • #60280
      Anonymous
      Participant

      as the other topic was locked = as to an agency selling to the Footballs and ~I believe Alan Suger, thats not a recommendation these people are professional investors and are proabably NOT selling off plan for a profit with their life savings ๐Ÿ˜ˆ In fact it is in every companys interest not to shaft the big whales as they will publiciy sue them as they have the rescoures to do so.

      However the little minnows who are of no further interest once they have been fleeced are fair game for these big agencies.

    • #60282
      Anonymous
      Participant

      JON,

      What an excellent post. What you say is soooo true of our “friends” ๐Ÿ˜ˆ I am sure you must have had the misfortune to deal with the same little s*** that we did….or do they all go to shark school and learn the same “patter” verbatum from “the Sharks Guide to Selling”??

    • #60283
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Just to add something about O**** E******. We went out in May this year to try and find out exactly what the situation was with regards to our “revoked” development, The “person” who “sold” us the apartment took us to another development, built by the same developer ( costing an extra 100,000 euros!!!) to see if we would like to “transfer! during the course of conversation he told us that in a few days time he was “off to Gleneagles to play in a “charity” golf match with the Football association.” OE were sponsoring it!!! I’m sure the 15% of commission they “earned” from us, 45,000 euros, and people like us, contributed to a wonderful time for the team they were sending there. We were then told of all the other little excursions they go on !!!!! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

      When we were dropped off at the airport, close to slashing our wrists, we were told” I will keep in touch. I really CARE about you. I take it all very personally”………………we’ve never heard from him again ??? ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ As a PS, he told us he had bought a penthouse on our development with a friend, but not to say anything as he shouldn’t really do it. He couldn’t resist as it was such a good buy and that he wanted to buy his friend out on completion. He even discussed it with M***** G*****, the sales director when we went to their on site office! I cannot believe we were SO NAIEVE ๐Ÿ˜ณ That info on the obscene selling tactics did not show up in the books we read OR the seminars we attended BEFORE our purchase. Sadly, we didn’t have this forum then. ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

    • #60284
      Anonymous
      Participant

      I will keep in touch. I really CARE about you. I take it all very personally”………………we’ve never heard from him again ??? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil As a PS, he told us he had bought a penthouse on our development with a friend, but not to say anything as he shouldn’t really do it. He couldn’t resist as it was such a good buy and that he wanted to buy his friend out on completion. He even discussed it with M***** G*****, the sales director when we went to their on site office! I cannot believe we were SO NAIEVE Embarassed

      Sounds like we had the same guy, I also had the lots of footballers are my best clients speech 8) Like you my new best friend and the aftersales refuse to answer emails or phone calls

      This must be a standard technique! I know that one of them bought on my development as well – he bought for 300 and sold for 500 with no problem, strangely nobody else has sold for a profit – or in fact sold at all ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

      Professional con men…. springs to mind here !! 8)

    • #60285
      Anonymous
      Participant

      ๐Ÿ˜† Perhaps the O**** E****** employee would care to make a (constructive) comment on our posts. โ—

    • #60301
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Claire, As Im sure you are aware, I know who you refer to at our company, we received our commission from the developer when you purchased your unit and it was nowhere near 15%. You would not have been able to buy from the developer any cheaper direct. We have no commission direct from you, also the fact that you may have been sold did not go ahead would not be down to O***n, if the developer has their plans for certain blocks revoked, how can that be the agents fault, the rep offered you an alternative as you were unhappy with your particular situation, if you are looking for a comparable unit offplan 3 years down the line, would you expect to pay the same? I think not, the planning for the golf was not given licence, again down to the townhall. One thing after another. If you need any help then please let me know on the forum, although I sure that any solution I offer to you will not be satisfactory. Happy New Year ๐Ÿ˜†

    • #60302
      Anonymous
      Participant

      To “concerned”

      As the agent I believe you DO have a responsibility to your client and YES, if my property was not going ahead, I would EXPECT you to come to some arrangement with the developer who “should have” built it to offer me a comparible property AT THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE.

      Should this prove to be an outrageous expectation, I would EXPECT you to liase on my behalf to get back all the money I had paid very speedily, possibly by threatening the developer that your large company would not deal with them again and would give them adverse publicity to future clients?

      It appears that neither of the above has happened and you feel you can negate all responsibility……not the best way to ensure a long term client base!

      The least you could do in the circumstances is reimburse your client with your commission….it appears that has not happened either.

      I sincerely hope that “what goes around, comes around” in your company’s case, very quickly.

    • #60304
      Anonymous
      Participant

      has anyone worked out that this guy is just winding you all up why not just ignore this guy he is playing with you all , he has just thrown his nappey out of the pram……. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #60317
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Well, I just replied to “concerned” but it went into cyber space ๐Ÿ™„ Just as well as I really vented big time.!!!!!! I will sleep on it ! But I would like to say…

      Concerned from O****…If you ARE concerned and you want to help….then call us…you have our contact details. ….or have they been filed…in the garbage?

    • #60322
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Claire

      If you can give me your surname I will be more than pleased to call you, I thought that you were the wife of another client that I am currently trying to arrange a solution for. When I locate your details I will call you. If there is anything that I can do for you, I will try my utmost. ๐Ÿ˜•

    • #60323
      Anonymous
      Participant

      I would like to know to whom I am “speaking” to and what authority you have to take any action. Others at O***n were not interested when we said we would not transfer to another apartment. We have a vast amount more knowledge of the “mechanics” re this situation than we did back in May. you can always send me a private message through the forum with the answer to my questions.

      Perhaps you should read the topic “JOHN ARLIDGES SUNDAY TIMES ARTICLE” That will give you an idea of my feelings.

      Also, how do you know that I am not the wife of another client you are dealing with? I guess you might have telephoned her? How many disgruntled buyers from Greenhills have you got? Obviously A LOT!

    • #60324
      Anonymous
      Participant

      As I said earlier, it looks like some good will come of this. Hopefully anyway

    • #60325
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Claire, I have been with O***n for almost 3 yrs now, I am not management, but I take pride in my job and if there is anything that I can do to help then I will, most of the agents on the coast here will have disgruntled clients from Greenhills, not just ourselves. I am trying to see if I can help and your tone of email still does not wain. The rep involved had two clients from Greenhills that he spent time with in May, as you ar not the first one that I had in mind, I can only assume that you are the second, if you do not want me to try to halp as I am not management then that is your choice. Please let me know and I will act accordingly. Rgds Concerned. ๐Ÿ˜•

    • #60326
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Dear concerned,

      As your Customer Services manager did nothing to help the situation after our (expensive) trip out in May, with the best will in the world on your part, I cannot see that you have the necessary clout to action anything that might resolve the problem of the return of our money. MVG do not have the money to repay us apparently. They have to wait until the lower blocks are sold and completed. We have to hope and pray(which we do a lot!) that the bank guarantee stands. From what I have learned this week from the Town Hall in Marbella, through another buyer from Greenhills, there will be a problem there when it comes to completion. This is another worrying scenario. Buyers beware!!

      Thank you for your offer. I will discuss it with my husband and get back to you. We are actively pursuing this situation with our Lawyers. regards Claire.

      PS If you are that decent, then why on earth are you working for O**** E****** ๐Ÿ˜ฎ Oh, one more thing, Perhaps you could ask RC, what happened to the penthouse he was buying with a friend on the revoked buildings?

    • #60327
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Dear Claire

      Please let me know when you have spoken to your husband and if you would like me to try and help I will do my best. I can see that you have done a lot of investigation yourself already so I may not have a solution, however there may be a stone that has not be turned yet, you never know. Regards Concerned. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • #60342
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Dear Concerned,

      My husband says OE had their chance to help us in May. They didn’t.

      Again, thanks for the offer. Claire.

    • #60345
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Claire.

      I hope everything gets sorted out for you eventually. Just to let you know, RC no longer works for OE. Maybe a little consolation for you. regards. Concerned. ๐Ÿ˜•

    • #60348
      Anonymous
      Participant

      That’s the best news !!!! I wonder who he is shafting now?

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