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The question for today’s Left is whether it is in their interests to keep apologising for an EU monetary regime that has pushed the jobless rate for youth to 49pc in Spain, 45pc in Greece, 30pc in Portugal and Ireland, 29pc in Italy and 24pc in France – yet 8.9pc in undervalued Germany – and that offers no credible way out of the slump for the Southern half.
Comrades across Europe, come over to the eurosceptic side. You have only your euro chains to lose
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The raison d’être of all socialist governments is to spend taxpayers money on consumption rather than investment. Consumption in this instance is fulfilling promises they made to their electorates to get into government in the first place, repayment of political favours particularly to trade unions and grandiose public sector schemes their countries cannot afford.
When they discover there is insufficient money to do that they borrow it and bankrupt the state.
Sound familiar? Just look at the behaviour in the last decade in the UK, Spain, Greece and Portugal. There are many more examples.Perhaps there is a new realism in Europe among the electorates. The political pendulum swings right for the times.
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A P-E had a long history of rubbishing anything European or euro related. For example, back in the 90s he was frequently predicting the currency would never exist.
I’ll grant that he does have some valid points to make but as his viewpoint always comes from an anti-European stance rather than an objective one, I ignore any of his euro-related diatribes.
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@brianc_li wrote:
I ignore any of his euro-related diatribes.
There is a certain irony in that statement Brianc. I have made my views on Europe clear as does Ambrose, however that does not mean our views don’t have any validity simply because they are critical of Europe and in confict with your own.
The frustrating thing is most of what Ambrose has written in the past on Europe has actually come to pass. Granted I’m sure you could find examples where it has not but not very many.
I personally don’t read journalism simply to have my own views reinforced but challenged. In ‘ignoring views’ as you put it you are simply in danger of being entrenched. -
@brianc_li wrote:
No.
A P-E had a long history of rubbishing anything European or euro related. For example, back in the 90s he was frequently predicting the currency would never exist.
I’ll grant that he does have some valid points to make but as his viewpoint always comes from an anti-European stance rather than an objective one, I ignore any of his euro-related diatribes.
and that makes him xenophobic?
and taking a stance that is against the EU makes him anti-European and un-objective?
AEP does get it wrong sometimes, he does seem to contradict himself at times, and he certainly sensationalises things, but he has fundamentally been proved right on the euro so far (perhaps more than any other mainstream commentator). Personally I’d be more concerned by the xenophobic propaganda that comes out from the EU against those who criticise it. Suddenly they become “Little Englanders” and “isolationists” when all they are doing is presenting an alternative view
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Logan, this is where I feel you misunderstand me. I have no issue with anybody being anti European. Indeed some of my best friends are euroseptics. 😀
The thing with A P-E is that, whilst his views are known to the likes of you or me, the average person has no idea of his political bent. He doesn’t qualify his opinion pieces. Most people who would read that link or the article in print would take it as an objective analysis rather than one with a politically motivated slant. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen his opinion pieces being held up as fact on various forums.
I’d also argue that his track record isn’t as wonderful as you suggest but that is a matter of opinion, not fact.
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@brianc_li wrote:
The thing with A P-E is that, whilst his views are known to the likes of you or me, the average person has no idea of his political bent. He doesn’t qualify his opinion pieces. Most people who would read that link or the article in print would take it as an objective analysis rather than one with a politically motivated slant. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen his opinion pieces being held up as fact on various forums.
Yes that is fair comment and I agree you need to be suspicious of all political writers. However chopera has a point.
Anyone who makes criticism of the European Union is immediately given the label ‘euro-sceptic’ or ‘xenophobic.’
Personally I’m neither. I’m not sceptic about the EU, I loath it. I am not xenophobic either choosing to spend the better part of my life living in Europe.
I can understand clearly from my own experience the damage the EU has done to the economies of Spain and France, changed the character of those countries and made them very difficult places in which to do business. -
@logan wrote:
The frustrating thing is most of what Ambrose has written in the past on Europe has actually come to pass. Granted I’m sure you could find examples where it has not but not very many.
I personally don’t read journalism simply to have my own views reinforced but challenged. In ‘ignoring views’ as you put it you are simply in danger of being entrenched.He has certainly help to change my views. I positively hated him a year ago, now I find his opinions more accurate than most. Unlike him and Logan I still think there is a place for the EU and Euro in future.
Personally I’d be more concerned by the xenophobic propaganda that comes out from the EU against those who criticise it. Suddenly they become “Little Englanders” and “isolationists” when all they are doing is presenting an alternative view
Agreed, the comments and articles in the French and German press were disappointingly misinformed. The Germans in particular seem oblivious to reality and the British argument about the cause of the problem.
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