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For sale: Sunny ground floor apartment Price guide:E290,000
2 beds, 2 baths, tiled terrace, air-con, swimming pools, parking, storageCurrently with tenant paying E450 per month until August 2008 – possible extention if required by purchaser.
CASARES DEL SOL, on the south coast of Spain, enjoys a year-round sunny climate, championship golf courses, gorgeous beaches, hill walking, sailing, horse riding, and many other sports and leisure facilities. Close by is the cosmopolitan Marina de la Duquesa with its excellent bars, restaurants and shops. 20 minute drive from Gibraltar airport; one hour drive from Malaga airport.
For sale in a brand new development, is a bright, sunny ground floor apartment, 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, terrace, fully fitted kitchen with Balay appliances, cool ceramic tiled floors, air conditioning, built-in wardrobes, TV aerial points, lots of light and space. Underground car park with dedicated parking space and generous sized storage room. 6 swimming pools on site; spacious, landscaped gardens, close to golf, beach, local amenities, transport and mountain walks.
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You say “if required by purchaser wishing to buy as investment. ” Don’t think anyone would consider any investment with a yield of 1.86% and rely on hopefully growth, especially with the market being as it is.
“So I guess a good investment ” Do you honestly believe 1.86% to be a good return. If so, pop along to your local bank and you will get 3 times better.
I rckon you should forget the investment lark and just try and sell as best you can.
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Just Frank wrote:Ralita
The Investors I have will take an informed decision on that based on many factors,one being NOT a Spanish Property Forum.
Lets see the goods. 12 properties including a top floor on Casaris del Sol for 150,000 euros each.The serious investors do not even think of buying now in Spain. Only the knife-catchers would do that in Spring 2008.
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Just Frank wrote:Ralita
The Investors I have will take an informed decision on that based on many factors,one being NOT a Spanish Property Forum.
Lets see the goods. 12 properties including a top floor on Casaris del Sol for 150,000 euros each.The serious investors do not even think of buying now in Spain. Only the knife-catchers would do that in Spring 2008.
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M.G
Well serious investors by my standards
There is a goup of investors that have done well in the Spanish Market and have sat on the euro profits for about 7 years( there was a time when that happened,) 😕
They feel that in very selected areas at at key point prices they see buying opportunities.Low rental yeilds to cover interest only mortgages and take a punt that in 5 years they will see a capital return on the smallest deposit being their investment money
300,000 euro (asking prices)at 150,000 where he says he cant sell is one that may interest them.
Somewhere money will be made from the loosers and that will be down to many factors,one being just a hunch.
Now if someone can tell me where this somewhere is that money can be made I would be very grateful
P,S these guys do have a sucessfull golfing holiday company and rents they are paying sort of starts making their plan seem reasonable.Just Frank 8)
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M.G
Well serious investors by my standards
There is a goup of investors that have done well in the Spanish Market and have sat on the euro profits for about 7 years( there was a time when that happened,) 😕
They feel that in very selected areas at at key point prices they see buying opportunities.Low rental yeilds to cover interest only mortgages and take a punt that in 5 years they will see a capital return on the smallest deposit being their investment money
300,000 euro (asking prices)at 150,000 where he says he cant sell is one that may interest them.
Somewhere money will be made from the loosers and that will be down to many factors,one being just a hunch.
Now if someone can tell me where this somewhere is that money can be made I would be very grateful
P,S these guys do have a sucessfull golfing holiday company and rents they are paying sort of starts making their plan seem reasonable.Just Frank 8)
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” Who with any sense would make the outlay anyway..no chance of selling/renting for years. Community fees and local taxes to pay. May as well leave the money in the bank, even 3% would be better”
This is why it is obviouse that you are not a “serious investor”.
Little knowledge.
So that would be 1.8% net. Even for non serious investors, may be worth taking a punt in the property market if self funding.It is much like an everyday worker asking how a medival specialist would know when you need treatment or an operation.
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” Who with any sense would make the outlay anyway..no chance of selling/renting for years. Community fees and local taxes to pay. May as well leave the money in the bank, even 3% would be better”
This is why it is obviouse that you are not a “serious investor”.
Little knowledge.
So that would be 1.8% net. Even for non serious investors, may be worth taking a punt in the property market if self funding.It is much like an everyday worker asking how a medival specialist would know when you need treatment or an operation.
It is their profession so they know more in that field than those not in that profession. -
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Obviously not a professional (in the true sense of the word), if one has to resort to personal abuse and words such as “asshole”.
I do find it strange that the Administrator allows some contributors to use such words or terms on an open forum?If you are not a “serious investor”, what are your comments based upon.
Would you ofer advice to a heart surgeon if you have just read something about an ailment?
Just proves the saying that little knowledge can be dangerous. -
Obviously not a professional (in the true sense of the word), if one has to resort to personal abuse and words such as “asshole”.
I do find it strange that the Administrator allows some contributors to use such words or terms on an open forum?If you are not a “serious investor”, what are your comments based upon.
Would you ofer advice to a heart surgeon if you have just read something about an ailment?
Just proves the saying that little knowledge can be dangerous. -
I will stop calling you an asshole if you stop calling me a “silly girl”…just as abusive. I could also write that I think you are just a saddo. “True investor”…you are on here aren’t you, sussed you out a while ago. You have never given any advice to be right or wrong…all you have done is insult and abuse people. If you are in the “business” (excuse my 😆 😆 ) lets hope you sink (although “property consultants” already have haven’t they).
So, why exactly are YOU on here ❓ (except to throw insults)
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I will stop calling you an asshole if you stop calling me a “silly girl”…just as abusive. I could also write that I think you are just a saddo. “True investor”…you are on here aren’t you, sussed you out a while ago. You have never given any advice to be right or wrong…all you have done is insult and abuse people. If you are in the “business” (excuse my 😆 😆 ) lets hope you sink (although “property consultants” already have haven’t they).
So, why exactly are YOU on here ❓ (except to throw insults)
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“I will stop calling you an asshole if you stop calling me a “silly girl”” – If you think that one is like another, just confirms the type of person you must be, and that perhaps me description could be considered as fact and not an opinion.
“I think you are just a saddo.” – You are entitled to an opinion.
“”True investor”…you are on here aren’t you” – Yes.
“sussed you out a while ago.” – Obviously not.
“You have never given any advice to be right or wrong” – Suggest you read some of my comments then?
“If you are in the “business” (excuse my ) lets hope you sink” – Now that opinion could be considered to come from a “saddo”. Never have I wished that any person or business suffers or “sinks”.
“(although “property consultants” already have haven’t they)” – If you say so, you obviously only state fact?????
“So, why exactly are YOU on here” – I read, observe, learn, comment, give an opinion and if possible educate some to control the language they use on an open forum, which can be read by ladies and children.
May I wish a bitter person every success in their life and their business.
One thing I can assure you, which you will not like (as per your comment), is that despite the problems in the financial and property markets worlwide, my businesseswill certainly not “sink”.
If you doubt this statement, I will be only to pleased to enter into some agreement with you, where financial gains/losses could be agreed to. Just PM me if you wish. -
“I will stop calling you an asshole if you stop calling me a “silly girl”” – If you think that one is like another, just confirms the type of person you must be, and that perhaps me description could be considered as fact and not an opinion.
“I think you are just a saddo.” – You are entitled to an opinion.
“”True investor”…you are on here aren’t you” – Yes.
“sussed you out a while ago.” – Obviously not.
“You have never given any advice to be right or wrong” – Suggest you read some of my comments then?
“If you are in the “business” (excuse my ) lets hope you sink” – Now that opinion could be considered to come from a “saddo”. Never have I wished that any person or business suffers or “sinks”.
“(although “property consultants” already have haven’t they)” – If you say so, you obviously only state fact?????
“So, why exactly are YOU on here” – I read, observe, learn, comment, give an opinion and if possible educate some to control the language they use on an open forum, which can be read by ladies and children.
May I wish a bitter person every success in their life and their business.
One thing I can assure you, which you will not like (as per your comment), is that despite the problems in the financial and property markets worlwide, my businesseswill certainly not “sink”.
If you doubt this statement, I will be only to pleased to enter into some agreement with you, where financial gains/losses could be agreed to. Just PM me if you wish. -
mg wrote:Please could you define “serious investors”?
Mg, serious investors are the one which buy and sell only when the price is excellent. They might have been the first to buy in Spain at the begging of the boom and the first to sell at the end of the boom (2004-2005).
They do not buy houses for personal use but for buying/selling at the right moment.
These people do no even consider Spain in 2009.
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mg wrote:Please could you define “serious investors”?
Mg, serious investors are the one which buy and sell only when the price is excellent. They might have been the first to buy in Spain at the begging of the boom and the first to sell at the end of the boom (2004-2005).
They do not buy houses for personal use but for buying/selling at the right moment.
These people do no even consider Spain in 2009.
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Many thanks for those comments and guidance which are noted, however, I don’t think that this will influence our investment decisions for 2009, which includes the Spanish market.
Obviously, you would consider that we are not serious investors, despite our 20+ years on investments in the property market.
So next question is what do you consider the “right moment”? -
Many thanks for those comments and guidance which are noted, however, I don’t think that this will influence our investment decisions for 2009, which includes the Spanish market.
Obviously, you would consider that we are not serious investors, despite our 20+ years on investments in the property market.
So next question is what do you consider the “right moment”? -
Katy
I do not waste my time posting a wind-up on a matter such as this.
12 properties at Casaris ASKING PRICE/CANT SELL 150,000 euros including a top floor,if you check I have requsted information twice on this forum and now on E.O.S with no reply.
Now lets see the goods as the clients have the money ,if you can help then fantastic if not dont waste you time comments like this on a genuine posting,
Ralita. The right time is when someone is willing to pay the price.and the customer wants to sell.
AS M,G SAYS . IF IT STACKS UP,SELF FINDING THE WHY THE HELL NOT
I have the clients from old and more in line.
12 PROPOERTIES ? CASARIS,CANT SELL 150,000 Euros ❓ .POSTER 😯 LETS SEE THE GOODS.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE REQUESTED THE INFORMATION 😯Just Frank 8)
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Katy
I do not waste my time posting a wind-up on a matter such as this.
12 properties at Casaris ASKING PRICE/CANT SELL 150,000 euros including a top floor,if you check I have requsted information twice on this forum and now on E.O.S with no reply.
Now lets see the goods as the clients have the money ,if you can help then fantastic if not dont waste you time comments like this on a genuine posting,
Ralita. The right time is when someone is willing to pay the price.and the customer wants to sell.
AS M,G SAYS . IF IT STACKS UP,SELF FINDING THE WHY THE HELL NOT
I have the clients from old and more in line.
12 PROPOERTIES ? CASARIS,CANT SELL 150,000 Euros ❓ .POSTER 😯 LETS SEE THE GOODS.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I HAVE REQUESTED THE INFORMATION 😯Just Frank 8)
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I did not say you were a wind up Frank, just UBEDA.
Just thinking about all this property investment game. Never called it actually investing. Our holiday properties have been about enjoyment and if they paid off…a bonus. (they have actually). I bought along with some other friends an apartment in Paris. We wanted it for a bolthole, a fun thing for shopping and a bit of rental on the side to pay expenses. Never considered it as an investment, it exceeded our expectations.
Never thought much of property investors, nothing personal but consider them a bit like leeches or estate agents. My family (Grandfather and Father) worked hard to run a business, I would call them investors..in people, when things were lean, they worried about themselves but also the people who worked for them (some 3rd generation). This solid stuff has given me the opportunity to have a modest income and to live a (fairly) charmed life in Marbella. It also gave me the opportunity to work in a profession where salary was not a priority. I find some of the greed around pathetic concerning property, not the small buyer hoping to have a bit of security for the future and a holiday base, but the pure greed of some on here leaves a nasty taste. Particularly the ones who are waiting like vultures for the foreclosers
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I did not say you were a wind up Frank, just UBEDA.
Just thinking about all this property investment game. Never called it actually investing. Our holiday properties have been about enjoyment and if they paid off…a bonus. (they have actually). I bought along with some other friends an apartment in Paris. We wanted it for a bolthole, a fun thing for shopping and a bit of rental on the side to pay expenses. Never considered it as an investment, it exceeded our expectations.
Never thought much of property investors, nothing personal but consider them a bit like leeches or estate agents. My family (Grandfather and Father) worked hard to run a business, I would call them investors..in people, when things were lean, they worried about themselves but also the people who worked for them (some 3rd generation). This solid stuff has given me the opportunity to have a modest income and to live a (fairly) charmed life in Marbella. It also gave me the opportunity to work in a profession where salary was not a priority. I find some of the greed around pathetic concerning property, not the small buyer hoping to have a bit of security for the future and a holiday base, but the pure greed of some on here leaves a nasty taste. Particularly the ones who are waiting like vultures for the foreclosers
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“Never thought much of property investors, nothing personal but consider them a bit like leeches or estate agents.”
Fair enough, D of Windsor, P of Wales, RTP, etc., are considered “leeches”, whilst those in the slave trade are true investors. Why is there so much fuss when cheap and child labour is used.
As for investing in people, we currently employ over 100 peple (mainly academically professional), prior to which I funded my own education through work and like many found it necessary to work 18/7/52 for the first few years.
Good for your father and granfather, they earned respect and it is a pity that you haven’t followed suit when it is more than obvious that you will criticise and condem when being ignorant to fact.
Your family tradition has suffered the 3rd generation syndrom, which is often the case.“I find some of the greed around pathetic concerning property, not the small buyer hoping to have a bit of security for the future and a holiday base,” – That is fine, so our portfolio includes premises occupied by charities, who have been given leases at rentals of £1 per year. I am sorry you consider such things greed and you are more happy with the possibe social scrounger borrrowing over their heads, for a long term cheap holiday and making a few quid on the way by renting to family and friends.
“Particularly the ones who are waiting like vultures for the foreclosers” – That leaves me out thank goodness, as the low market type stuff I read of on here, would not be entertained for our portfolio. Anyone owning a city centre office block, hotel or supermarket so sorry, but if there is one, let me know.
And it is questioned why I made the comment of “silly girl”?
Didn’t you realise that if you took away property investors, you would take away the business community?
Didn’t you realise that through PFI, it has been possible to construct hospitals, schools, etc.,
Didn’t you realise there is more to property investment that havong a “bolthole” in Paris? -
“Never thought much of property investors, nothing personal but consider them a bit like leeches or estate agents.”
Fair enough, D of Windsor, P of Wales, RTP, etc., are considered “leeches”, whilst those in the slave trade are true investors. Why is there so much fuss when cheap and child labour is used.
As for investing in people, we currently employ over 100 peple (mainly academically professional), prior to which I funded my own education through work and like many found it necessary to work 18/7/52 for the first few years.
Good for your father and granfather, they earned respect and it is a pity that you haven’t followed suit when it is more than obvious that you will criticise and condem when being ignorant to fact.
Your family tradition has suffered the 3rd generation syndrom, which is often the case.“I find some of the greed around pathetic concerning property, not the small buyer hoping to have a bit of security for the future and a holiday base,” – That is fine, so our portfolio includes premises occupied by charities, who have been given leases at rentals of £1 per year. I am sorry you consider such things greed and you are more happy with the possibe social scrounger borrrowing over their heads, for a long term cheap holiday and making a few quid on the way by renting to family and friends.
“Particularly the ones who are waiting like vultures for the foreclosers” – That leaves me out thank goodness, as the low market type stuff I read of on here, would not be entertained for our portfolio. Anyone owning a city centre office block, hotel or supermarket so sorry, but if there is one, let me know.
And it is questioned why I made the comment of “silly girl”?
Didn’t you realise that if you took away property investors, you would take away the business community?
Didn’t you realise that through PFI, it has been possible to construct hospitals, schools, etc.,
Didn’t you realise there is more to property investment that havong a “bolthole” in Paris? -
Hi Katy 🙂
Sooo sorry,clearly read it wrong.
Yep think it was a wind-up as I have not had any contact.
This is a group that do have the golfing holiday company and feel that it could be time to not keep paying rent IF and only IF they can pick up the right deal/deals.
They have just bought 4 in Duquesa with minimal down payment and the its almost guaranteed self funding so either way I can see their reason as in say 5 years it could prove a very good move.
Of course there is the view that this may be a good business decision as they would not be doing it to make a financial loss,Just Frank 8)
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Hi Katy 🙂
Sooo sorry,clearly read it wrong.
Yep think it was a wind-up as I have not had any contact.
This is a group that do have the golfing holiday company and feel that it could be time to not keep paying rent IF and only IF they can pick up the right deal/deals.
They have just bought 4 in Duquesa with minimal down payment and the its almost guaranteed self funding so either way I can see their reason as in say 5 years it could prove a very good move.
Of course there is the view that this may be a good business decision as they would not be doing it to make a financial loss,Just Frank 8)
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Frank, good reply 😀 but had nothing to do with calculating the diameter of my circle. Only you could go off-topic on an off-topic post. :roll:…… 😉
Thanks mg. I tried:
radius = 7.1m x 22 over seven, but I keep coming up with over 22m, and the radius can’t be that….. much as I’d love it to be.
Does the / mean x in your reply?Better still, would you mind working it out for me? My calculator’s on the blink……and so it seems is my brain today.
Oh. think i’ve got it, the / was divide not multiply, so……7.1 divided by 3.1428 = 2.259, then x 2 for the diameter will be approx 4.5 metres. No, that can’t be right either.
I give up – I’ll build it oblong 10 x 5. 🙁 -
Frank, good reply 😀 but had nothing to do with calculating the diameter of my circle. Only you could go off-topic on an off-topic post. :roll:…… 😉
Thanks mg. I tried:
radius = 7.1m x 22 over seven, but I keep coming up with over 22m, and the radius can’t be that….. much as I’d love it to be.
Does the / mean x in your reply?Better still, would you mind working it out for me? My calculator’s on the blink……and so it seems is my brain today.
Oh. think i’ve got it, the / was divide not multiply, so……7.1 divided by 3.1428 = 2.259, then x 2 for the diameter will be approx 4.5 metres. No, that can’t be right either.
I give up – I’ll build it oblong 10 x 5. 🙁 -
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Funny, that’s exactly what my architect said to me – practically word for word. 🙂
Built in local stone, centre-point pitched and traditionally-tiled roof, 360 degree views, nestling among the trees, mainly open plan. Just a more pleasant feel than being in a conventional small oblong box. Can’t do too much that’s exciting with 50sqm.
There are also practical advantages – eg. the spiders can’t get a good fix to build their webs. Circular walls really tick them off. They get so dizzy walking round in circles they give up and move next door.
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Funny, that’s exactly what my architect said to me – practically word for word. 🙂
Built in local stone, centre-point pitched and traditionally-tiled roof, 360 degree views, nestling among the trees, mainly open plan. Just a more pleasant feel than being in a conventional small oblong box. Can’t do too much that’s exciting with 50sqm.
There are also practical advantages – eg. the spiders can’t get a good fix to build their webs. Circular walls really tick them off. They get so dizzy walking round in circles they give up and move next door.
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@Mary Hinge wrote:
Well, you lot really talk some crap. Not only that its the usual don’t touch Spain blah blah blah. Is there any property insight?.
On this forum – NO. If the “post on all threads provided we can be negative” crowd who seem to try and rule this forum have their way, there would never be insight, just total negative crap!
@katy wrote:
This solid stuff has given me the opportunity to have a modest income and to live a (fairly) charmed life in Marbella.
This is the start and end of most people’s problems in this forum. Who in their right mind would ever seek a life in Marbella with it’s inflated prices etc? There is nothing special about Marbella, it is a “British man made” capital of pretenders looking for a life and never finding it! The local towns of Benalmadena, Fuengirola and Mijas Costa all offer a better standard of living, a better lifestyle etc at less than half the price. Pull down Marbella tomorrow – it really is the type of place that is so artificial. I see it as a place for plastic – plastic people with plastic money to pay for the plastic t*ts!!
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@Mary Hinge wrote:
Well, you lot really talk some crap. Not only that its the usual don’t touch Spain blah blah blah. Is there any property insight?.
On this forum – NO. If the “post on all threads provided we can be negative” crowd who seem to try and rule this forum have their way, there would never be insight, just total negative crap!
@katy wrote:
This solid stuff has given me the opportunity to have a modest income and to live a (fairly) charmed life in Marbella.
This is the start and end of most people’s problems in this forum. Who in their right mind would ever seek a life in Marbella with it’s inflated prices etc? There is nothing special about Marbella, it is a “British man made” capital of pretenders looking for a life and never finding it! The local towns of Benalmadena, Fuengirola and Mijas Costa all offer a better standard of living, a better lifestyle etc at less than half the price. Pull down Marbella tomorrow – it really is the type of place that is so artificial. I see it as a place for plastic – plastic people with plastic money to pay for the plastic t*ts!!
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@rob-fuengirola wrote:
Pull down Marbella tomorrow – it really is the type of place that is so artificial. I see it as a place for plastic – plastic people with plastic money to pay for the plastic t*ts!!
….and this from someone who complains about “just total negative crap“. 🙄
And from someone who started a thread: Why is this forum becoming so devalued?
You couldn’t make it up…..
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@rob-fuengirola wrote:
Pull down Marbella tomorrow – it really is the type of place that is so artificial. I see it as a place for plastic – plastic people with plastic money to pay for the plastic t*ts!!
….and this from someone who complains about “just total negative crap“. 🙄
And from someone who started a thread: Why is this forum becoming so devalued?
You couldn’t make it up…..
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@katy wrote:
We will leave it to you to give us some “insight”.
What, and go completely against the grain :D.
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@katy wrote:
We will leave it to you to give us some “insight”.
What, and go completely against the grain :D.
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