February 6, 2007 at 1:55 pm #52609
We can all relax now 😉
February 6, 2007 at 2:01 pm #68941
I will be happy if some progress can be made. The Embassy had known for years that this had been going on. They were just busy with their cocktails parties.
Why have they suddenly woken up ????????? perhaps there are not that many people who are losing their passports etc.
Is’nt it wondeful to be cycnical …………………..
February 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm #68942
Looking forward to the day when they also help sort the property scams on the C.del Sol, charlie, or better still when the Spanish Gov’t stops dragging it’s heels and regulate the industry properly, kicking out the crooks too.
February 6, 2007 at 2:22 pm #68944
My first thought was whether this “unnamed top official” at the embassy who started the investigation, did so because he’s got his own fingers burnt in a Spanish property purchase.
Cynicism is a dreadful thing, Shakeel……… 🙄
February 6, 2007 at 6:06 pm #68961
I was’nt born with it. just acquired it through the passage of life. I do agree with you though.
February 6, 2007 at 6:17 pm #68963
Apparently the Spanish Government are close to re regulating the estate agency business in Spain (probably a few years away in reality) but I read in the local press that they were pressing ahead with the need for agents to register, have at least liability insurance and potentially having some kind of qualification. Not sure how effective this will be but we shalll see
February 6, 2007 at 7:42 pm #68972
It should be quite effective. The actual exam is quite intense and it costs over 2000 euros to complete it. Once qualified it will open doors and is a great idea.
And yes I have the application form on my desk – just need to get my spanish a little more advanced.
Only lived here 12 years and am embarassed how little I speak spanish! Luckily my 2 angelic kids help me out when needed!
February 7, 2007 at 9:10 am #68999
” The actual exam is quite intense and it costs over 2000 euros to complete it.”
…..no chance of corruption or brown enveopes here then!!!!!!! I know that sounds cynical, but i really think that unless you can contact someone that will take action, and say ‘look i’m being screwed here, can you sort it out now’, i think that even with the best intensions, it could be business as usual?
February 7, 2007 at 10:06 am #69005
the alternative is the status quo. People on this forum have been asking for smething to be done for as long as I have been on here (nearly 3 years I think).- Now when somehting is being done about it it is derided. Personally speaking if someone has to go through a process of qualification to become a professional then it sets them apart from others in the industry.
Some people will obviously use their influence and money to circumvent this, but that is the same the world over – if you think such things dont happen in UK and USA for example then you ae sadly mistaken. It just isnt so obvious
As for corruption and brown envelopes, there is certainly a sea change.
Up here hardly a day goes by without some urbanisation being knocked back and investigated further because of the infirngement on planning laws, and more so Mayors of town halls being investigated (the ex mayor of Pego is being investigated and will likely receive a jail term for allowing developments on protected land.)
Small steps – but steps none the less. And every journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.
The point is change doesnt happen quickly – whether in Spain or UK. Not for no reason was the phrase “Rome wasnt built in a day” and to see something happenig is a step in the right direction.
In time hopefully it will iron out and make the industry more professional and more consumer orientated. But it isnt just about changing the law – it is about changing a whole culture and way of life – and that cannot be done overnight, no matter what legislation is brought in. The Spanish I come into contact every day still think to a large degree that it is there God given right to act in such a manner – so much so it perpetrates the very fabric of government. You dont change such attitudes in one foul swoop, it is a lengthy prcess and one which appears to be underway.
Maybe legislation will just send the rogue agents underground (or more likely to other countries) buit at least it is a start
And pesnally speaking I dont think you can ask for more than that at present
February 7, 2007 at 10:40 am #69008
Paying 2000 euros for a “professional qualification” doesn’t necessarily equate with being an “honest estate agent”, a person cannot be trained to be ethical.
February 7, 2007 at 11:02 am #69011
Maybe legislation will just send the rogue agents underground (or more likely to other countries) but at least it is a start
Certainly in my geographical area it would seem that quite a few recently (within the last 3 years say) established real estate agents are disappearing. Maybe they have gone “underground” and I haven’t dug them up yet but websites have gone or contain no properties for sale and I’ve heard for definite that some have closed down. Or maybe they all earned enough money during those 3 years to retire disgracefully on?!
February 7, 2007 at 11:02 am #69012
i quite agree.
as you say, it’s a start, but how many people with the right papers now are acting in the right way? As you also say, legislation means nothing if not acted on. Surely what we need is a body of people with power, to go to when things go wrong. Why should a black and white issue have to go to court?
February 7, 2007 at 11:04 am #69013
Of course not, but the classic ‘second hand car saleseman’ that have been masquerading as estate agents and the hundreds of non spanish speaking people who come here and say ‘I know lets be a real estate agent’ who have not a clue of what they are doing (and are not legal, pay no tax etc etc) will not be able to legally trade, and probably will be unable to collect their commissions at notary.
This will leave the sevreal honest ones who have invested in the business to at least try to salvage the reputation of the industry.
A tall order I am aware!!!
February 7, 2007 at 11:06 am #69014
I agree Hillybilly, the agents are going down like dominoes…but will it be the rogue agents who disappear? Maybe the nice gals/guys will be the first.
February 7, 2007 at 11:09 am #69015
February 7, 2007 at 11:44 am #69018
Its hitting everyone. The rogues smell there is no cash on the horizon and run to Bulgaria/Estonia/Rumania/anywhere else eastern block cold with no prospects, the nice ones try to get through on the basis that when it turns nice again they will be established and trusted!
At the moment its dog eat dog wih agents arguing over properties and who sold what and when!!!
February 7, 2007 at 11:49 am #69019
You say agents are going down like dominos, do you know what agents have ceased operating on the CDS.
February 7, 2007 at 1:04 pm #69022
Come on, you rotten lot – you’ve all gone off-toopic 😥
Am interested to know if any of you think this so-called Brit. embassy intervention can/will make any difference.
Or is the Brit influence in Spain (Europe even) as impotent as I personally think it is?
February 7, 2007 at 1:08 pm #69024
It must be off-topic, just had to look back to refresh 😳 I don’t think it will make much difference as the matter has already been before the European court. It could prevent more abuse in the future.
February 7, 2007 at 1:26 pm #69026
I think first we have to hand over Gibralter to the Spaniards before we get any cooperation from the Spaniards.
Yes, its gone of topic, but than all you need is one persron to do so.
February 7, 2007 at 1:51 pm #69028
Then let’s keep all these pesky ‘persrons’ off the forum – are they some kind of internet bug? 😯
February 7, 2007 at 3:02 pm #69032
We spent over a year trying to find a suitable house at the right price in the Vega Baja.
Three times we went for houses that we were assured were a 100% legal in the Catral/Dolores area. Three times our lawyer said woah.
We have now bought a legal, old, doer-upper in Dolores and the next job will be finding suitable builders. 😆
July 27, 2007 at 8:31 am #73802
Brits to the rescue?
This time it is with an ‘infoline’ help-line, compliments of the British Consul in Málaga. But only if you’re over 50yrs old.:wink:
Just hope the information they give is more dependable and up-to-date than the pathetic list of lawyers they give out to people. As ‘Roots’ posted recently, the list is dated 2001 and comes with a disclaimer – “HMG take no responsibility for the competence or probity… “etc. How reassuring is that (?!), might as well stick a pin in the local phone-book.
I wonder what the problem is with wanting to help the under-50’s.
Isn’t that age-discrimination?……or maybe their knowledge regarding age-discrimination laws is like their lawyer’s list – out of date.
July 27, 2007 at 10:57 am #73803
Oh dear. From the way I read the article, I was under the impression the British Consul had set up the infoline to help with advice to Brits in trouble with their property purchase. However, it seems no such initiative has been taken. The infoline has been set up as a co-operation between the UK Ministry of Work and Pensions and Age Concern to help with advice re. pensions etc.
Oh well. It was nice at least that the British Consul mentioned he acknowledged ‘there were some problems in Marbella’ re. illegal builds.
And he does have his 2001 lawyers list on offer.
Apologies to anyone whose hopes I may have raised, I should have known better. 😳
July 27, 2007 at 11:24 am #73804
do you think it’s a Spanish idea the over 50′ only?, in the hope people over that age will peg it before it works its way through the Spanish courts???
July 27, 2007 at 12:51 pm #73806
The article wasn’t very clear goodstich. The infoline is more or less manned by volunteers of the organisation ‘Age Concern’ – hence the ‘over 50’s only’ thingy.
Bit depressing to know I qualify to talk to Age Concern – rather like the ‘Saga Holidays’ brochures I keep receiving. 🙁
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