August 19, 2010 at 12:12 pm #55812
Is it about time the Spanish accepted that being ‘a tradition’ is not a good enough excuse for baiting and/or killing bulls as sport and entertainment?
Am interested to see what other SPI members think.
Personally, when this happened yesterday, my thoughts were: Serves them right. It’s not as funny being on the receiving end is it!
So you know how I voted. 😉
August 30, 2010 at 7:29 am #100430
Bulls are definitely not how the Spanish want to be depicted nor how they should be. It is an unfortunate tradition of times gone past that should remain as a memory in some kind of poetical or historical sense but definitely not continue to be practised in any shape or form. And its not just bullfighting, which in itself is already cruel enough but also “traditions” such as chasing the bull through God knows what town and throwing darts at it (for some insane reason).
I do think that we have started to see the beginning of the end with many fiestas “watering down” their fiestas (no flames on many (not all) bulls horns) and Cataluña’s referendum on bullfighting.
If Spain wants to be taken seriously on many levels, activities that relate to the treatment of animals has to be high on the agenda.
…and thats a Spaniards point of view and believe me that I am not an exception.
August 30, 2010 at 1:45 pm #100431
“If Spain wants to be taken seriously on many levels, activities that relate to the treatment of animals has to be high on the agenda.”
What about the treatment of humans’ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! l
August 30, 2010 at 2:07 pm #100432
in most cases the humans dont deserve to be treated better.
most recently the pakistan cricketers for example.
August 30, 2010 at 2:31 pm #100433
I think I am sticking to the topic Shakeel. If you have other issues please feel free to start another thread, oh sorry, I forgot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 30, 2010 at 8:05 pm #100435
There is no space for bull fighting or any other form of animal cruelty in a civilized society . Sadly Spain has a long way to go but hopefully the younger generation will start to move things forward and the ban in Cataluña, is just the beginning of this process .
(I know there is terrible cruelty all over the world But this thread is specifically about Spain)
August 31, 2010 at 11:12 am #100437
We kill bulls for food, which is basically for pleasure, so I don’t see the difference. I think its hypercritical to eat meat and object to killing animals. My solution was to become a vegetarian and accept that animals are killed and eaten and its not my problem, although I do now eat meat occasionally (living in Poland makes not doing so difficult).
August 31, 2010 at 12:03 pm #100440
Alan as someone who paid a few hundred pounds to take grandson to Lords on Sunday I couldn’t agree with you more about pakistani cricket 😈 However back on topic.
I saw my first (and last) bullfight when I was about 20 and at university in sevilla. I can still see the fear in a horses face when it was badly gored by the bull. It is all a barbaric display of sheer torture, dressed up in glamour suits and parades. Not only are there bullfights there is the hideous torture of bulls throughout Spain at local fiestas. I am suprised that Brussels doesn’t legislate against these barbaric practices given their capacity to interfere with every other aspect of our lives.
I don’t know what type of spaniard goes to these bullfights as I have yet to meet a spaniard I know who goes. Hopefully it will be banned one day but I can’t see it happening for decades.
August 31, 2010 at 1:27 pm #100439
i have been to quite a few in my time, and i see mostly spanish locals that go.
is it a good thing or not i dont know, but I do think they should decide for themselves.
I think maybe bull fighting, paella and sangria with the sun was what we fell in love with in the beginning though.( as a package) I dont remember 40/50 years ago that we complained then, but i might be wrong, but not usually. 😉
September 3, 2010 at 9:29 am #100451
One time was enough for me (back in the 60’s). The ‘final kill’ sword missed the heart, puncturing the lung instead so the bull spent an agonizing time on it’s front knees choking up blood while the crowd cheered. My family wasn’t the only one who walked out in disgust.
peterhun, you say “We kill bulls for food, which is basically for pleasure, so I don’t see the difference”.
If you can’t see the difference , you’re beyond understanding it.
Marjal – your post, coming from a Spaniard, was very welcome. It was also was heartening to read “…and thats a Spaniards point of view and believe me that I am not an exception”.
With the successful referendum in Cataluña, let’s hope the tide is finally turning. It would be interesting to see the results of a national referendum.
September 3, 2010 at 7:17 pm #100428
How anyone can enjoy and defend the perverse nature of bullfighting beggars belief. Would these same people walk on by if they saw a group of thugs terrorising and torturing an animal in the street? Would they enjoy bear baiting, cockfighting, dog fights etc. I guess some would but it is to their shame.
September 3, 2010 at 9:00 pm #100464
to poppy and others
i’m not defending bull fighting nor am i against it really. i believe we should leave it to spain to deal with, and i find comments regarding the outrage we show bordering on disrespectful.
watching last night about the sex trade in england where humans are sold on block in the region of £30000 a time.
1 thai girl said she was treated worse than a dog would be treated. reasoning that the english treat there dogs with love and affection. (her words) my point is if you look around the world we as a nation do seem to care rather more about our animals than most others. so just maybe we should take a little step back and let them get on with it.
or maybe we should scream even louder seeing the french eat horse as i saw last week when i was there looking around the markets. maybe we are a bit squimish or maybe not. the same goes for many other countries that eat what we consider pets.
September 3, 2010 at 9:32 pm #100465
I don’t go but it’s not much of an issue to me. The treatment by the Spanish police of the people who try and get across the frontier into Melilla, or the treatment of the Saharans (by both Spain and Morocco), or Spain being the world’s sixth largest exporter or arms, or the government not taxing the super-rich, or the unemployment at 30% in Andalucia…
Well, you get my drift. Come to think of it, I reckon that bullfights add a bit of colour…
September 3, 2010 at 9:52 pm #100466
very dangerous comment lenox very brave. that said here you could be shot lol.
September 4, 2010 at 8:36 am #100471
And that coming from the expert…..
@alanrthornton on another thread wrote:
stick to the washing up.
As for bullfighting versus UK’s sex trade?
Mmm, maybe you should ‘stick to’ your own advice and go grab the Fairy Liquid. 😉
i’m soon to build a good sized house but not looking for all information required about how to go about it as i did all my research before i bought the land
September 4, 2010 at 8:37 am #100472
Hi Lenox –
when debating a topic, one can always quote other scenarios in an attempt to make the topic in question pale into significance importance-wise.
This can be never-ending, eg who cares about Spain being the world’s sixth largest exporter of arms when many other countries do it, always have and always will.
If Spain stops exporting arms, someone else will replace them.
If the super-rich are savvy enough to indulge in a bit of (often totally legal) ‘tax avoidance’, good for them I say.
And why should I care about the treatment of Saharans when I consider/compare it to the anguish of the women who are buried up to their necks and killed by maniacs who throw stones at their heads.
Get my drift?
In my view, to make a debate worthwhile, each topic should be discussed in it’s own light without non-linked comparisons.
Not ‘shooting’, just responding. You have an interesting angle on life though.
September 4, 2010 at 8:58 am #100473
How anyone can enjoy and defend the perverse nature of bullfighting beggars belief. Would these same people walk on by if they saw a group of thugs terrorising and torturing an animal in the street? Would they enjoy bear baiting, cockfighting, dog fights etc….
An excellent question, Poppyseed. Would love a reply from any of the five who voted ‘yes’ but doubt we’ll get one.
I’ve always taken the view that anyone who torments animals (or people for that matter) knowing they have the upper hand, is inherantly a coward. Same for those who enjoy watching it. Did you see the faces of the crowd in the video link? One minute cheering, the next petrified.
The strutting matador in his glittering costume and all his showmanship would be a pathetic spectacle if it was just him versus the bull with no weapons, no backup. The bull in his own right is far superior and would be the victor if the odds weren’t so stacked against him. Fact.
Cheating doesn’t make a brave man, nor a true contest, so why these matadors deserve the adoration they receive is totally beyond me. So is not understanding that a quick humane death for food is different from making the death a long drawnout and tortuous spectacle in the name of self-gratifying sick ‘entertainment’.
September 4, 2010 at 5:54 pm #100475
‘An excellent question, Poppyseed. Would love a reply from any of the five who voted ‘yes’ but doubt we’ll get one.’
Yes Charlie, the silence is deafening!
September 5, 2010 at 9:38 am #100479
Well, I voted ‘yes’. Four others then.
September 5, 2010 at 10:45 am #100480
I VOTED YES, THREE OTHERS THEN.
BECAUSE ITS NOT MY COUNTRY OR MY PROBLEM AT THE MOMENT, BUT THERE IS A LOT WORSE GOING ON IN THE WORLD REGARDING SO CALLED HUMANS , WHO IN SOME CASES ACT LIKE ANIMALS OR WORSE. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD TRY AND CLEAN THAT PROBLEM UP FIRST, AND NOT BOTHER WITH OTHER COUNTRIES PROBLEMS. FOR SURE WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTERFERE, THATS FOR CERTAIN.
SO BEFORE YOU BERATE ME FOR THAT, JUST THINK WHAT YOU WOULD FEEL IF ANOTHER NATION WALKED INTO OUR COUNTRY AND STARTED TELLING US WHAT WE SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT DO. WE CANNOT SEND XMAS CARDS ( IT OFFENDS THE MUSLIM CHILDREN) WE CANNOT PUT UP ST. GEORGE FLAGS FOR THE WORLD CUP SAME REASON, OR IN GUILDFORD AMONGST OTHER PLACES NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO WEAR THE ENGLAND SHIRT FOR THE WORLD CUP. SO MAYBE INTERFERRING ONLY CAUSES MORE PROBLEMS. ETC ETC.
September 5, 2010 at 11:10 am #100485
The debate is about bullfighting, we all know there are much worse things around the world going on, relating to humans. Yes, it is terrible, we live in a very cruel world but the debate is about something else and relating to Spain, not to Thailand, Morrocco or any other place. Bulls and Spain.
I don’t mind debating or supporting any of the other non-related subjects in other thread but when other subjects are mixed, well the plot kind of gets lost…
September 5, 2010 at 12:47 pm #100486
I will ask again
‘Would these same people walk on by if they saw a group of thugs terrorising and torturing an animal in the street? Would they enjoy bear baiting, cockfighting, dog fights etc.’
September 5, 2010 at 12:53 pm #100487
They frequently do in Spain 👿 Cockfighting is as popular as bullfighting and in small pueblos the suthorities turn a blind eye. I don’t think bullfighting can be justified because lots of other bad things happen.
Two wrongs don’t make a right!
September 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm #100488
Well, we have had pet animals: horses, donkeys, birds, a pig, sheep, dogs and cats. We ran a centre for riding for the disabled in Mojácar for ten years and my wife was a director of the Riding for the Disabled International and attended various congresses as Spain’s representative during several trips to Germany, France and Switzerland. She worked with the ONCE (Spanish blind association) and Padre Angel’s Mensajeros de la Paz. My own great great grandfather started the RSPCA in 1840 (and I’m very proud of both my wife and William Wilberforce).
So, no, we don’t mistreat animals or ‘walk past a cockfight (cor lumme!!)’. But bullfights – the mistranslation of corrida de toros – is not about cruelty.
It’s about Spain.
September 5, 2010 at 6:32 pm #100489
Well, well. May be banned after all in Andalucía.
Soory no time to translate, put it through google and read the comments too!
September 5, 2010 at 7:39 pm #100490
‘But bullfights – the mistranslation of corrida de toros – is not about cruelty.
It’s about Spain.’
September 6, 2010 at 11:02 am #100493
Come on now Alan, which is it to be?
Before discussing bullfighting, we should first try and clean up the world’s problems…
“for certain” we don’t have the right to interfere with other countries’ problems.
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
September 6, 2010 at 11:48 am #100495
AS USUAL YOU DONT GET IT CHARLY YOU ARE A PROPER 1 AT THAT.
STOP TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THATS NOT THERE, OR YOU WILL HAVE A BREAKDOWN
September 6, 2010 at 12:25 pm #100496
Aaahh – now I see what you mean.
I don’t get it (as usual… 😳 ), and I can’t get it, because it’s not there. Right?
I can’t get something that’s not there.
I’m totally with you now.
You had me going there for a moment Alan, you ol’ tease…..
My question is:
So where’s it gone then? 😯
September 6, 2010 at 1:04 pm #100500
I KNEW WE SHOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THE WEAKER SEX THE VOTE
September 6, 2010 at 1:20 pm #100501
Nothing weak about charlie 🙂
September 6, 2010 at 2:27 pm #100503
THATS VERY TRUE
THATS THE PROBLEM THOUGH
MOST WOMEN I KNOW WANT TO BE WOMEN.
September 6, 2010 at 2:54 pm #100505
We’re certainly talking a lot of bull now!
September 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm #100508
and some talking ball
September 6, 2010 at 9:55 pm #100517
MOST WOMEN I KNOW WANT TO BE WOMEN.
They want to be women…. ?
But their problem is..??
Or do you mean they’re a bit of a ‘Churchill-In-A-Dress’ type?
Nevermind Alan, things should improve for you once you get established in Salobreña. Lots of sexy Senhoritas – without the cigar.
September 6, 2010 at 10:19 pm #100518
We’re certainly talking a lot of bull now!
I know, but it takes your mind off the depressing Spanish property market for a bit. And I’m actually finding myself warming to Alan now, especially after the weaker sex/vote thing. Made me laugh.
Getting back to the bulls though, am disappointed – and surprised – at the total vote on this.
Will be interesting to see what does develop in Andalucía as per Katy’s post. If I understand the linked article correctly, one of the prerequisites for getting the banning of bullfights even considered by Parliament is to collect a minimum of 75,000 signatures in the next four months.
September 19, 2010 at 10:23 pm #100778
September 20, 2010 at 9:53 am #100788
Katy, it seems you were doing the same as me last night, having a browse of the papers online. I saw the same article and could hardly sleep I was so angry.
All those men on horseback with spears against one young bull. Sick cowards the lot of them.
“As the official killer of the bull, he had won the right to parade the animal’s coveted ears, tail and testicles around town on a ceremonial spear”.
I’d love to do that – though not with the bull’s testicles. The difficulty would be finding a spear small enough so they wouldn’t fall off.
As for EU money (ie European taxpayers’ money) supporting this – no comment.
Interesting that the farm mentioned is owned by the Gil family. Any connection with Jesús Gil I wonder?
Any of those who voted for ‘tradition’ want to change their minds, have any comments?
September 20, 2010 at 3:28 pm #100797
What… and be branded a ‘sick coward’?
September 20, 2010 at 8:50 pm #100804
I was referring to the violent mob on horseback.
Out of interest, does this article change your views at all? A serious question, just interested.
September 20, 2010 at 9:12 pm #100805
Certainly hasn’t done the spain’s profile any good…200+ comments mainly critical of the torture and killing. Kind of wipes away all the thousands of euro the junta are throwing away promoting the place!
September 21, 2010 at 8:54 am #100807
No, I don’t like cruelty to animals and I don’t – particularly – like ‘bullfights’. Don’t like ‘hip hop’ either.
September 21, 2010 at 9:02 am #100808
Don’t like ‘hip hop’ either.
Unbelievably flippant comment on a very disturbing topic….at least for those of us who have any moral fibre in our bodies.
September 21, 2010 at 9:29 am #100809
I think I mentioned this “fiesta” (or whatever you want to call it) in another post earlier on, I just didn’t know where it is held.
One thing I would remind people about is that many Spanish reporters and tv stations went there to report on this barbaric tradition. I don’t think I saw one positive report on any of the Spanish channels nor any kind of defence of this custom. Most of Spanish society is pretty ashamed of this kind of image. Tele 5 cameras were even pelted with stones an nearly linched in another town with a similar tradition.
Public opinion is changing, faster than I have seen in recent years. Very few people used to go and protest outside a bull ring, now its pretty common and the numbers are growing fast.
I really think that these kind of acts have their days numbered, the sooner the better of course.
September 22, 2010 at 9:31 am #100835
I don’t go but it’s not much of an issue to me…..
Come to think of it, I reckon that bullfights add a bit of colour…
No, I don’t like cruelty to animals and I don’t – particularly – like ‘bullfights’.
Well, we have had pet animals: horses, donkeys, birds, a pig, sheep, dogs and cats.
So, no, we don’t mistreat animals or ‘walk past a cockfight (cor lumme!!)’. But bullfights…is not about cruelty. It’s about Spain.
But when it came to voting on the poll: Well, I voted ‘yes’.
Not one for sitting on the fence then, lenox. 😆
As you say “No, I don’t like cruelty to animals” and “we don’t mistreat animals”, what about others mistreating animals albeit it “adds a bit of colour”?
Care to answer my question “Out of interest, does this article change your views at all? A serious question, just interested”.
September 22, 2010 at 10:35 am #100840
Eight for and five against. The rest will be sitting on the fence.
Chewing a pizzle perhaps.
I think the OP and title is a bit misleading though. It presumably should read something like ‘Should bullfighting be allowed in the 21st Century?’ or some such – at least, the answers and comments would lead towards this. Normally in life, there’s a spirited ‘anti-something group’, a heated ‘pro-the-same-thing lobby’… and a vast area in the middle of people who ‘frankly, My Dear…’.
So – despite some hopeful posting here – don’t expect the Andalucian Govt to ban bullfighting in the near future.
My last word: I would prefer an afternoon at La Corrida to a similar time spent in some place with loud Hip Hop and the doors locked.
September 22, 2010 at 11:31 am #100841
And my last word (possibly!): You still didn’t answer my question. 😉
September 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm #100843
The only colour bullfightings adds is blood red.
I was speaking recently to a couple of my husbands work colleagues who have both worked in Spain. They both said they went to a bullfight and were so appalled and upset they had to leave, their opinion was it was it should not be allowed in a modern supposidly civilized society.
Talking to a friend recently here in Spain, they told me about bulls being tied to a telegraph pole, bashed over the head until their eyes rolled and then their horns set alight and the bull released to run, terrified. For any decent minded person this whole bull thing is obscene, Spanish tradition or not .For anyone to say they disagree with it but think it should be left up to the Spanish is a cop out, cruelty is cruelty which should be opposed wherever and whenever necessary by every decent person.
September 22, 2010 at 10:29 pm #100823
Now Cataluña votes to protect the torture of bulls
Following the recent decision by the Catalan Parliament to ban bullfighting in the region from 2012, it may be surprising to see that the very same chamber on Wednesday voted to protect the ‘correbous’ fiesta, where lit flares are attached to a bull’s horns.
oh dear, oh dear, oh dear…!
September 22, 2010 at 10:36 pm #100824
Poppyseed – I think what you described is called the Firework Fiesta.
This is taken from the Fight Against Animal Cruelty in Europe (FAACE) website:
A panic-stricken bull tosses his head in terror as jeering men turn him into a sickening live firework display.
Blood pours from his nostrils and the acrid smell of his burning horns fills the air. He rushes about bellowing in agony for 30 horror-filled minutes.
All he wants is a quick end to his ordeal but the onlookers, three-hundred residents of the tiny cliff top village of Medinaceli in Northern Spain, show no sympathy on this bitterly cold night. They just stand laughing at the Jubilation Bull. They add to the creature’s abject fear by letting off hundreds of deafening firecrackers.
Film of this cruel episode will be presented this week to the European Parliament in Strasbourg in a bid to get the “sport” outlawed at Medinaceli and 2000 other village fiestas across Spain.
The date this item was posted: 10th January 1999
So sadly and obviously the European Parliament did nothing. Discussing light bulbs and the shape of bananas far more important.
September 22, 2010 at 10:57 pm #100825
Sonsoles – watching the video re. your link and seeing this bunch of ‘men’ getting so excited in anticipation, shouting and jeering, I’m honestly beginning to wonder if they are retarded in some way. Does a lot of inbreeding go on in these villages? A serious question.
The whole thing reminded me of something from my youth when I watched a group of young kids pour petrol over the tyres of a car, set them alight and then went running down the street shouting and laughing because they found the whole thing exciting. They were about ten years old.
September 27, 2010 at 3:45 pm #100938
There is an article in málaga Sur today about abandoned dogs and cats being adopted by people in Finland. Dogs leave every week for Finland, germany and Holland. There are some comments from the spanish below. One says “What do you expect of our country which tortures to death animals and calls it ART & CULTURE” Another says they are ashamed of being a 4th world country and the Andalucían junta protects the rights of people to torture animals. So, there are a few spanish who think like us!
September 27, 2010 at 7:11 pm #100943
A few more ‘Spanish Specialities’ during the happy-happy Fiesta Time, all in the name of tradition of course:
Dragging a bull into the harbour. Matador costume not required.
Castrating a bull in the street while still alive
Blowing darts – (death takes a while for this one, but hey – it’s tradition in Coria!)
A goat is paraded through the streets wearing a festive hat and coat…..
…..and then later is thrown from the top of a 50ft high church tower
Fun for all the family guaranteed.
September 29, 2010 at 4:43 pm #100963
Tossing goats off a tower compared to bullfighting is a bit of a stretch.
I like women, doesn’t make me a brothel creeper!
I like a glass of wine, doesn’t make me an alcoholic.
It’s strange – another Brit-in-Spain (Arboleras.co.uk) forum has a whole section on puppy rescue with a massive amount of traffic, plus various other posts throughout the bulk of the forum along the lines of ‘kitten found’ and help save Oscar (who turns out to be a three-legged dog). Turned out, the puppy rescue section wasn’t high enough on the page, so readers recently asked to have it moved to the top. As for charity: children, the disabled, poor Brits with problems (financial or health), the old and the lonely – there is pretty much nothing to say.
There was even a Brit councillor up in Alicante who was in charge of doggies and kitties (he didn’t speak any Spanish and was in the town hall following a better-than-expected british vote in 2007) who briefly became mayor when everyone else got arrested last year.
Why do we get so excited about stray doggies and miss the bigger picture – is it because the whole charity stuff is For Our Own Satisfaction and Self-Respect?
September 30, 2010 at 9:07 am #100968
Tossing goats off a tower compared to bullfighting is a bit of a stretch.
I like women, doesn’t make me a brothel creeper!
I’m not sure if I quite understand – I can only figure that you mean tossing goats out of a 50ft high tower doesn’t necessarily mean they’re animal abusers? Maybe I’ve misunderstood.
My point of including those pictures was indeed to show that abusing animals in the name of ‘tradition’ and ‘Fiesta Fun’ is not restricted to bullfighting.
I could have included the picture where they hang live ducks upside down by their feet on a rope strung across the width of a street, they then have competitions where they ride full-speed underneath on horseback, the name of the game being to see how many ducks’ heads they can grap and pull off as they pass.
I just don’t understand the need to use live animals where they’re killed in horrendous ways as a form of ‘fiesta’ entertainment.
As for charity: children, the disabled, poor Brits with problems (financial or health), the old and the lonely – there is pretty much nothing to say.
As you seem to feel strongly on this, out of interest did you spare the time to contribute anything there yourself if you felt the number of contributions were rather on the low side?
I suppose we all have our ‘pet’ vulnerable-members-of-society which we tend to actively support (whether human or animal), mine just happens to be animals. That’s not to say I don’t also care about anything else.
This thread seemed appropriate for a Spanish forum, especially as the topic is currently being discussed in the Spanish parliament, the recent decision in Barcelona, and is something I feel strongly about.
As I said to alanthornton, one can always start another thread of your own – for example Child Abuse in Spain, or The Disabled in Spain, especially as you seem concerned with these topics. Somehow I don’t think you will.
October 1, 2010 at 8:35 pm #100998
October 1, 2010 at 9:13 pm #100999
France: new home of bull-fighting?
France is on its way towards replacing Spain as the home of bull-fighting. While Catalonia recently voted to outlaw the sport in the region, the corrida is going from strength to strength on this side of the Pyrenees.
This is despite bull-fighting being illegal under article 521-1 of the penal code, which bans “cruel acts and serious ill-treatment towards animals”. However, there is an exception for bullfights in areas of “uninterrupted local tradition”, which largely means the south-west of the country, where it takes place in 11 departments. Only the Ariège is corrida-free.
October 6, 2010 at 9:51 pm #101044
Spanish Senate rejects bid to have bullfighting declared as a protected cultural interest
The Spanish Senate has rejected a Partido Popular motion which called for bullfighting to be declared a protected cultural interest.
The vote was 129 against, 117 in favour and there was one abstention.
A good result! A close vote, and ‘interesting’ comments below the article……
October 7, 2010 at 11:50 am #101049
Well after reading today that someone is killing all the street cats in Elviria (where I used to live) I give up all hope for Spain re. animal cruelty. Approx 30 have been found in the past 3 weeks. Given Gasoil as poison and some were stabbed and beaten to death. One German woman said one of the cats she feeds died in her arms. Another women found several dead in her garden including her own pet cat.
I and a German woman used to feed the cats at our nearest rubbish skip. We had many of them neutered, wormed etc. One of the few things I miss about Marbella are those cats, they all had different characters and one would come down to meet me half way. When I throw food away now I often think of them. 🙁
Someone said “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”
October 7, 2010 at 6:10 pm #101055
I and a German woman used to feed the cats at our nearest rubbish skip. We had many of them neutered, wormed etc. One of the few things I miss about Marbella are those cats, they all had different characters and one would come down to meet me half way
Katy, you and Charlie are two peas in a pod!! 🙂
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