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I’m going to add some balance to my many postings that criticise the corruption that’s endemic in Spain, primarily mayors, judges, lawyers, developers etc.
I hope this lot get banged up for a very long time.
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_19863.shtml
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I just wonder if the tele-sales operators are innocent victims too. They are always advertising these jobs here. High turnover due to most of them are never actually paid as promised. My friend’s daughter worked five weeks for one and didn’t receive a euro. They know very little about the workings of the Company and are just given a sheet of A4 with the spiel. One advertises most weeks for operators to sell land 😯 Based in Elviria seems to be mainly young Mums and teenagers who work there.
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@goodstich44 wrote:
katy
is there a minimum wage, or rights for low paid, or a union with teeth?, or is it ‘business as usual’ in Spain, in as much as you can treat people how you like, and if you can get away with it, then good luck to you’?
There is a minimum wage in Spain, it was first used in 1963, beating Tony Blair by some 38 years.
It tends to be set as a monthly amount and I think it is probably around €700 at present.
Oddly enough, Spain and the UK have the lowest percentage of it’s workforce on the national minimum wage compared to other EU countries.
However, Spanish employment contracts are so heavily stacked against the employer that many people are employed on short-term contracts which after a while must be turned into permanent contracts, this causes a high churn rate of staff and consequently a low wage ratio for certain industries as the staff never become experienced and long serving enough to get a pay increase or promotion.
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Many don’t even manage to obtain a contract and are also paid under the minimum rate. Some immigrants work for 4 euro an hour. Employment law is tough for the employer (in principle). A friend sacked a Spanish worker (he had been taking drugs on the premises). Because she did not follow the correct procedure she was ordered to pay him one years salary.
The majority of workers are on 6 month contracts. Some businesses have two companies and the workers they want to keep are transfered to the second one after 6 months and then back again. They can work there for years and never aquire any rights.
I sometimes read a Spanish ex-pat blog. Some interesting comments on their comparison to working in Spain to other countries. One from Málaga thinks he has found paradise in London as the working conditions etc are so much better.
To sum up I would say the employment laws here only work for some, bit like bank guarantees really 😆
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However, Spanish employment contracts are so heavily stacked against the employer that many people are employed on short-term contracts.
THIS IS VERY DAMAGING TO THE ECONOMY & EMPLOYER/EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP.
which after a while must be turned into permanent contracts, this causes a high churn rate of staff and consequently a low wage ratio for certain industries
AGREE, THIS WAY THE EMPLOYER WILL NEVER GET THE BEST OF THE EMPLOYEE, AS THE EMPLOYEE IS AWARE THAT THERE IS A SELL BY DATE FOR HIS/HER EFFORTS. ALSO IT CREATES INSECURTY FOR THE EMPLOYEE AS THEY CANNOT WITH CONFIDENCE COMMIT THEMSELVES TO ANYTHING IN THEIR LIFE AS A CONSUMER E.G CAR LOAN, MORTGAGE ETC.
HIGHER TURN AROUND OF STAFF CREATES INEFFECIENCIES.THEY DO NOT TRAIN THEIR STAFF & BEGRUDGE THEIR PRESENCE ON THE THEIR COMPANY PAYROLL. THE EMPLOYER ALSO HAS TO PAY A VERY HIGH EMPLOYERS CONTIBUTION.
as the staff never become experienced and long serving enough to get a pay increase or promotion.
EMPLOYER IS NOT EXPECTING TO PROMOTE OR GIVE A PAY RISE, THEIR ATTITUDE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT THEY ARE DOING THE EMPLOYEE A FAVOUR BY EMPLOYING THEM. THEY NEVER LOOK AT THEIR HUMAN RESOURCES AS AN ASSETT.
IN ANY COUNTRY NO MATTER HOW FLUID THE ECONOMY IS, IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET GOOD EMPLOYEE & TO GET RID OF THEM IS JUST ECONOMIC INSANITY.
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Apart from short term contracts, it is possible to employ someone on a tasking contract.
For example, you can sit someone in a portacabin on a sales site with a contract to sell all the properties. This seems to get around a timed contract or a permanent one and appeals to promotors.
In agriculture, it is quite common to employ people on a short term contract which is enough to get them unemployment benefit until they are given another short term contract in the next picking/sowing season.
Again the employment laws in Spain seem to encourage this.
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@katy wrote:
I also notice here job ads which state requirements such as
aged under 25
Irish man
send photoI thought this was contrary to European law!
Are you sure that wasn’t a dating site katy 😯 I’ve never seen an employer requiring the candidate to have a GSOH!!
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@katy wrote:
I also notice here job ads which state requirements such as
aged under 25
Irish man
send photoMaybe this lot are looking to recruit a new member to replace the one they shot for not towing the line?!!
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_19929.shtml
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@goodstich44 wrote:
…..what a foul bunch of thugs. Lock ’em up, and chuck away the key!
I think that would be a terrible waste of tax-payers money. To think they will be entitled to priority health care, TV, table-tennis and Play Station 3 makes me angry.
Better for them to be dissmembered and shot by a rival Eastern European gang 😀
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@shakeel wrote:
“Unless of course you mean they could chuck their bits in the air for shooting practice. “
Charlie, I would not like to be on your wrong side !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Charlie – Yes that sounds great 😀
Shakeel, Charlie once applied to join the Met. I’m not sure if she succeeded but I would have offered her Sir Ian Blair’s job.
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@Peter Good wrote:
Shakeel, Charlie once applied to join the Met. I’m not sure if she succeeded…
It was Scotland Yard actually, and I succeeded. 😀
Was only in Fingerprints though. 🙁
Should have stayed, just think what my pension would be now. That will teach me to have ‘itchy feet’, should have listened to my Mum. 😥Shakeel – was it the thought of them having their ‘bits’ shot at…
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” should have listened to my Mum.”
All girls should listen to their mums, they have been there & are wearing the woolly jumper.
Shakeel – was it the thought of them having their ‘bits’ shot at… …that brought tears to your eyes?
Agggggggh, yes, yes, yes. It seams water boarding the favourite of the American/English politicians replaced by the surf boarding, would be a day at Butlins.
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@shakeel wrote:
” It seams water boarding the favourite of the American/English politicians replaced by the surf boarding, would be a day at Butlins.
Shakeel – why does reading your posts sometimes seem like battling with a verbal suduko?
🙂
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