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Dont know if this is old news to some but I thought it may give hope to all those of you out there who are waiting for their deposits to be returned
“Accounts of Aifos impounded. The courts have decided to impound the accounts of the company Aifos, involved in the Marbella scandals, because the company has not returned to a client money paid for a dwelling that the company had not even applied a building license for. Aifos also has promotions on the Costa Blanca”
From the Website Europeos cuidados
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A confidentiality clause prohibits the city council of Malaga in revealing the details of the agreement signed with the Aifos promoter in obtaining the exclusive sponsorship of the Real Estate Fair until 2014.
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when we had dealings with them through the courts last year they ignored the Judges decision to give us our money back so we got and order to have their bank accounts frozen by the court. It transpired that after the account was frozen they could not move money in or out and so paid us to have the embargo lifted but it took a number of months before the judge finally lifted the embargo… most likley same thing has happened again, someone probably finally got into court and put another embargo on them . Why do they just not pay people back the money they owe tham and this would not be happening… no ! they are too greedy!!
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bettyboo.
Yes, they are no more greedy than in another country. You are overlooking some very important Spanish charateristics.1) Total disrespect for law and in built desire to be free to do what ever you feel like ( I blame years of Francos supression )
2) Ego problem, as to how dare you take the step against me that you took and I will now tell you as to who I am and what I can do to you. This includes assault.
3) Stubbourness. The reason may be rational or not
A good current example of the above is the builders appealing against court orders.
The above are the main reasons that the Anglo Saxon reasoning and rationality does not work in Spain and the Brits find themselves in a the troubles that we all have read on the forum
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shakeel
…….which is why it’s even more important for the courts to recognise right from wrong and act accordingly. If total disrespect for the law is such common knowledge, how hard is it to grant justice to honest people and make the crooks pay big time?, or is the greed, corruption still just to much part of the system at all levels, despite all the bad press, and the fact its helping to kill the ‘golden goose’?
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shakeel
perphaps you are right, but that does sound a bit arse about face?, surely the fat cat/shark trying to screw the guy in the street is a far more right wing/fascist action than than the little guy trying to defend himself. Why on earth don’t the media and public sympathise with the little guy who has been screwed?. They must know the truth by now, as many Spanish people are in the same boat. -
Goodstich:
Have you forgotten the slogan ” Spain is different” Yes the sharks may be Fasist/Capitalist. The media will not go into the details and will simply report how the judges are applying their powers and agian depends which media you read.The dynamics of Spain are far more complex and will not be possible to discuss on the forum. I will just say “Opus dei”
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shakeel
…..”opus dei”?, i googled this, looks like religious brainwashing by any other name, well that would explain their inability to see the truth when it’s staring them in the face! I would like to think that those who have the power to grant justice have a bit more of a grip on reality than that?
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I agree with you Goodstich.
I was going to post a comment on the highly religious side of Spain -v- the corruption, but I don’t want to start a war!
And as far as those in power; religion & politics have been in bed together for centuries & that’s always been a recipe for corruption & turning a blind eye IMO. -
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@shakeel wrote:
The dynamics of Spain are far more complex and will not be possible to discuss on the forum. I will just say “Opus dei”
I don’t think it’s so complex Shakeel – I will just say “Greed”.
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@charlie wrote:
I believe for many involved in power, politics and big business there is only one God – MONEY.
Many of them still need their ‘religious’ God to ‘confess’ to for their sins on a regular basis. They can then believe that they are really good people after all, have no bad conscience, can carry on as usual but continue to be part of Opus Dei/Work of God. 😡
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Charlie, Yes there is greed and corruption and its not only in Spain.
In Uk it involves from office expenses fiddle right to the top. Its done more subtly. Let me give you a few examples.
The Prime minister. Free holidays with Cliff Richard, Berlesconi, Andy Gibb and now he it at our expense paving way for the future moneis coming his way.
Presscot (free accomodation/ cars.
Mark Thatcher ( Mrs Thatcher son )
Peter Mandelson ( Doggy Mortgages)
Cash for peerage.
Mrs Blairs hairdressing bills
Tesse Jowells husband
Lets not forget “Rip off Britain”
The difference is that in UK and ordinary person does not encounter greed/corruption directlly. It done via off shore companies/trust etc
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shakeel
the corruption you mention (of which i believe is common anywhere) does not hit the man in the street even a tiny bit as much as the large scale fraud/lies/dishonesty that is destroying any reputation Spain had as a fair place to buy. In my experience, and many others, the chance of getting a fair result when buying property in Spain is tiny compared to that of when buying in the UK. The whole buying system/protection against sharks is a bloody disgrace at all levels. I just wish i’d realised that 5 years ago!
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I did say that in UK it does not affect ordinary people directly, but that does not mean it exist.
Sorry about the slip up yes sadly Andy Gibb did die in 1988. I can visualise his gleaming smile and the hair on the cover of the Bee Gees Album. Its the other brothers Villa in Florida.
Yes, a confession may make ones heart lighter. Does the Priest receive a brown envelope for putting a private word with the Almighty or towards keeping the wondeful monestries going.
Its so sad to be cynical. I am a Catholic school educated.
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Bettyboo
“we got and order to have their bank accounts frozen by the court”Can you please advise, how this was possible. In my experience the moment the creditor is aware of such petition and has bad faith, the account gets cleaned up of all its dunds .i.e. funds are moved to another account or account of a group company.
Was it due to the Spanish manana that there was lag time between the action taken.
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