Dodgy AIPP regulatory body?

angie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:02 pm **Posts:** 598

Google search of AIPP.

You wouldn't believe who's on the Board of this mickey mouse organisation, Martin Gow of Parador Props., R Barrasford of Barrasford and Bird, estate agents and others, and, John Howell the lawyer always involved with some suspect companies.

How on earth can this org. be independent and unbiased when overseas property agents etc are on their Board, some of which have a history???

Members include Ocean Estates who were dropped by Your Move last year for constant abuses in selling overseas property, who are constantly exposed in the Press for the same offences.

I wouldn't trust AIPP members with a very long bargepole, maybe anyone can buy membership without checks made, another scam I suppose!

charlie · **Joined:** Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:18 pm **Posts:** 2380

angie wrote:

Why do some agents lie continuously?

Money !

(not agent-bashing, honestly :roll:

)

angie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:02 pm **Posts:** 598

Heaven forbid us agent bashing charlie.

What do you think of this AIPP bunch pretending to have member agents showing 'Honesty, Transparency and Integrity' who clearly have not shown these qualities up to now? I think it's yet another scam.

I've emailed AIPP's chief exec. Paul Owen but he's not had the decency to reply yet. Anyone know his background, is he a Costa Agent too, or an ex agent about to make a quick buck on payable memberships?

Has anyone out there heard of this guy Paul Owen please?

Inez · **Posted:** Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:28 pm

Hi Angie - I have heard of him and met him. He doesnt have a background in real estate as far as I am aware, but we refused to join due to the asociation of the big boys!

I feel they try to get brownie points being joined to these organizations when in fact they either started them, have bankrolled them or continue to bankroll them!!

Rawlins · **Posted:** Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:50 pm

Rawlins wrote:

Llanera is one of Spain's biggest developers and has recently started to market itself in the UK by sponsoring Charlton Athletic and the London Irish clubs.

I was recently surprised to read http://www.bluesunworld.com announcing itself as Llanera's officially appointed agents in the UK. By chance, Blue Sun shares the same address as Llanera in Maidstone, Kent.

I suspected that Blue Sun World was, in fact, owned by Llanera - and a quick enquiry revealed that this was true.

The Blue Sun website promises that it would put buyer's interests first and omits any mention of the fact that all the properties shown are owned by the same company that owns the Blue Sun 'agency'.

Blue Sun World also proudly announces on its website that it is a founder member of the AIPP - the Association of International Property Professionals.

Not revealing a conflicting ownership would seem to immediately violate AIPP General Rules 1, 2, 3, and 4 as well as Sales Rule 1 - and so we have today sent an emailed complaint to the AIPP with a copy to Blue Sun.

We will now see if the AIPP has any teeth. I will keep forum members posted.

This is a post I made before Christmas. Still no reply from the AIPP.

Inez · **Posted:** Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:28 am

Rawlins, I take it you also refused to join AIPP as we did even thought they kept insisting!

Paul · **Joined:** Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:11 pm **Posts:** 364

I'm embarassed by my lack of ability to copy and paste a reply email here, from Paul Owen of AIPP.

However to my disbelief he says he can't stop anyone becoming a member of AIPP just because of Press articles, so despite 5 articles on mis-selling by Ocean Estates (proven articles), despite Your Move dumping Ocean last year for constant negative Press, despite all Ocean's criticism on here and other websites like www.eyeonspain.com, he still wishes to accept their membership and that of similar other rogue agents, and at £1200 a time it's such good business.

He also wants to see the logo AIPP on every agents website, printing, shop front etc as a sign of 'HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and INTEGRITY' for people to have complete trust in their members.

I bet he does at £1200 a time, what a b----y nerve!

Don't trust AIPP members at all.

Rawlins · **Posted:** Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:31 pm

Inez wrote:

Rawlins, I take it you also refused to join AIPP as we did even thought they kept insisting!

No, Inez, I don't think we need to pull a shroud of apparent respectability over our names and businesses.

Inez · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:47 am

Well you know what they say Rawlins,

You can fool all the people some of the time, but you cant fool the people all of the time! And the time for the Costa agents is now!!

charlie · **Joined:** Sun Dec 18, 2005 1:18 pm **Posts:** 2380

Inez - I hope you are not referring to those honourable members of the

"Asylum for Immoral Property Purveyors"

Inez · **Posted:** Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:02 am

Very good Charlie, love it! :lol:

goodstich44 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:26 am **Posts:** 1536

think they might have a related development company?........

.......Asylum for Immoral Founders of Outrageous Sharks.

angie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:02 pm **Posts:** 598

Clearly the AIPP needs an honest rival regulatory body.

How about AIPS (Association of International Property Swindlers)?

Honest members need not apply obviously.

However anyone who has been scammed by an agent would enrol that agent whether they liked it or not. Membership is non-profit making and therefore FREE for scammers.

There are those on the AIPP who would automatically qualify based on experiences of many purchasers. The AIPP is happy to accept £1200 average membership fees from even the Likes of Awful Estates and although they have been presented with the evidence (and offered more) they still refuse to answer emails ( Paul Owen ), nor de-list such
companies.

Don't trust AIPP but refer to AIPS who will promote 'Dishonesty, Obscurity and Non-Integrity' .

angie · **Joined:** Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:02 pm **Posts:** 598

If you get time Rawlins, can you chase up your email and lack of response to Paul Owen of AIPP about 'conflict of interests among members etc'?

I have recently sent him 3 further emails (because he previously said he would answer me) but he has weakly decided against replying it seems, he'd also previously said he would answer Forum questions here but appears to have reneged on that too.

AIPS (Association of International Property Swindlers) seems more appropriate. He's just raking in £1200 subsciptions from anyone.

Inez · **Posted:** Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:15 pm

Can I have a PM of that please - Im sure I will see him in the next few weeks at a show and would love a gentle discussion with it!

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