Separatism for Catalunya!

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  • #57074
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    angie
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    What are the chances of this actually happening, is it pie in the sky or a real likelihood? If it happened how will the rest of Spain be affected, could this region then leave the Euro? Is it similar to the Scottish wish in the UK? 🙄

    As King Juan Carlos was castigated for his recent elephant hunting while all around him was burning, he is quoted today as saying ‘All of Spain must stick together’ hmm, ‘except me’ he muttered as he folded the Dollar bills in his pocket 😆

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    @angie wrote:

    What are the chances of this actually happening, is it pie in the sky or a real likelihood? If it happened how will the rest of Spain be affected, could this region then leave the Euro? Is it similar to the Scottish wish in the UK? 🙄

    If Catalunya becomes its own state then it’s out of the EU let alone the euro. As a new state it would have to apply for entry, etc, and the whole thing would take several years. By which time they will have been able to sort out their debt problems, regain competitiveness and it will have become obvious that being outside the EU suits them quite well as they become the Mediterranean Switzerland! Catalan property anyone?

  • #112299
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    I believe that short of complete independence, Catalunya can gain fiscal independence. Here’s a recent video (in English) that discusses the fiscal issue:

    [youtube:13zf97wy]JJQkmRnLjeE[/youtube:13zf97wy]

  • #112300
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    They have wanted it for a long time i remember as far back as 2002 driving near girona and painted on the bridges were the words
    THIS IS NOT SPAIN THIS IS CATALUNYA

  • #112301
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    This is nothing new. This has been going on for decades in fact Franco supressed them in his usual manner & there was some carrot & stick applied by him.

  • #112302
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    @shakeel wrote:

    This is nothing new. This has been going on for decades in fact Franco supressed them in his usual manner & there was some carrot & stick applied by him.

    I suspect there was more stick than carrot from Franco. But anyways I personally feel that as it stands, Spain is constitutionally incompatible with being a member of the eurozone. Ultimately the autonomas have to be fiscally accountable to either Spain, the EU, or themselves as independent nations. They have got away with being accountable to nobody since they were created, but now other people’s money has run out I doubt it can go on much longer. We are living in interesting times.

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  • #112305
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    Viva Espana

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    I think a Fiscal State for each region would be very beneficial for all, especially catalunya, however when you use Independence as the bargaining chip, once it has picked up momentum (like now) how do you stop at Fiscal?

    In past examples the fanatics will take over and there will be little stopping that train unless suddenly Spain does better than Catalunya (with job opportunities, etc) and this does not look likely. The world over, the bright more educated advanced cultures are the most mobile (willing to move, search for opportunities, etc), so why would the more educated, rich province decide now is a good time to draw a smaller boarder? This leads me to believe the less educated, backward thinkers are in charge, that does not bode well!

    Who cares about what happened 300 years ago, because since then there has been 300 years of mixing. Watch any game show in Spain, everyone says, I am from X but I now live in Y, or my parents are from Z and I live in X. When one read research on Medicine, Science, Finance, they do not stop at the best writers from ones own country or language, so why would I believe suddenly politicians who come from my village are going to be the best.

    (anyone who is for independence, please don’t write me anything stupid about your rights, because there is a simple test of a modern country/culture (whether is it classified as ‘rights’ or not). Anyone can be president of Spain! What is the significance of that, it means there are no boarders or boundaries due to your origin/language/religion that allows you to rise up, but more importantly that means on the reverse side, the other side of Spain (the majority) respects and trusts you enough to let you govern them.)

  • #112310
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    After them, it would be the Basque, Galician, Andalucians and not to mention others.

  • #112311
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    After them, it would be the Basque, Galician, Andalucians and not to mention others.

    I don’t know about all of the regions, but Andalucia gets more money from the central government than is pays in taxes to the central government.

    This is not so for Catalunya. So their billions in debt is, in part, really the debt of the rest of Spain, and that is one of their major issues.

    It is like California to the United States. We in California have a lot of fiscal issues, but we still pay a lot more in taxes to the US government than we receive, so we are subsidizing mostly ‘Republican’ states that take more money from the US than they pay into the US government.

    The central government of Spain had better be diplomatic in DEMANDING fiscal responsibility from Catalunya, because there is no logical reason that in a time of fiscal crisis, one cent of extra money should go from Catalunya to support poorer regions of Spain.

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