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  • #52786
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    Did anyone see the program tonight?I cannot believe I missed the start and when I turned on there was b****y Victor Sanchez talking to an unhappy purchaser(one of many) of Los Lagos Santa Maria.! 😯 I only saw the part where the lady said,,,but Victor, you have had my money for 3 years. I want to move on..or something like.

    Can anyone give more detail please?

  • #70728
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    The acting Counciler said that the block behind her place will be domolised and the block where she had bought can get a licence if the Victor buys another peice of land fopr green zone.

    Victor, basically said that he is in the same boat as the other buyers as he had the planning permission to build and due to this it was not an illegal build.

  • #70729
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    @shakeel wrote:

    The acting Counciler said that the block behind her place will be domolised…….

    Did he mean one of the blocks of Los Lagos ❓

  • #70730
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    But Victor Sanchez is only the lawyer for Eralia!…….. Or is he ❓ I doubt Eralia can afford to buy any more land.

  • #70731
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    This is a response from an EOS member.

    he basically said that they are both victims and that the developers were given permission to build 300 odd apartments by the corupt officials and that there is nothing he can do and is not prepared to buy a plot of land and not devolp it so that the development can get its habtation licence the other blocks of houses shown are to be demolished
    I’ve asked which other blocks. are they part of Los Lagos.

  • #70732
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    Sorry Charlie,
    The programe did not say the block in question or the ones that could be demolished. Si I can the ladt basically said that the back of her house a lovely view of the mountains and due to the block constructed her view is lost.

    I am not sure that Victor was touted around as a lawyer. As far as I am concerned he was the developer and thought to my self he is either looking for sympathy or was too arrogant to appear on TV, as I am aware that the Spanish developers in such circumstances send out a younf innocent girl to take the abuse.

    Talk about the Macho Spanish Men !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • #70733
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    Charlie would know shakeel for sure. She has met both Victor Sanchez and Leonardo Cromstedt who is the main director of Eralia.

    During all of our dealings/correspondence( through our lawyer) with Victor Sanchez, he was the lawyer for Eralia.

  • #70734
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    It make sence to send the lawyer, so that Eralia does not implicate itself.

  • #70737
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    I saw the program and was left a little bit speechless.

    Andrew Winter, (international property expert and presenter of ‘Selling Homes Abroad’), told the lady in question;

    “You must continue to nag the developer and the town council, and all should turn out well in the end”.

  • #70738
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    Oh silly us – so that’s where we all went wrong πŸ™„

    Think Andrew Winter needs a few e-mails to enlighten him a little with regards to REALITY.

  • #70739
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    Look out everybody – looks like Amanda Lamb is back (Thursday nights?) with her “watch my programme and I’ll tell you all the latest hotspots to buy” spiel.

    Wonder if that poor local mayor in Teruel ever recovered re. that hysterical article in The Telegraph, which some of the long-term members of this forum may remember:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2005/05/28/pcold28.xml

    Any of you thinking of being guided by her programme, suggest you read it!

  • #70740
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    Charlie
    1 The programme was factually wrong.
    Stated that the lady could not get a mortgage or anyone not resell because of no habitation licence and we know this to be incorrect.
    They appear to have not mentioned that Los Lagos was one of around 50,000 with no habitation licence over many years
    2 The lady lost her views so do people in this country as a search only shows today’s information.
    She is going to get her views back due to the illegal build on Las Vista.
    4 Think she mentioned that she paid Β£290,000 for the apartment and we all know that this will be unrealistic for some time and perhaps why she wanted her money back,if not complete like many others?
    3 They talked about to many blocks have been built and that in the main appeared the problem
    Think the council are really looking for a back hander to help their finances rather than purchasing some land as they cant really say that can they
    4 They did show the poor quality finish and the roads and stone banks at the bottom of the site several times and not good for a development of this calibre.
    Simply looks like the developer ran out of money which we may be true.
    5 Andrew the presenter as we all know stated that the situation will have to be resolved and I think that this programme can only help move things along.

    Programme wrong whichever side of the fence your on.

    Regards
    Jim πŸ˜€

  • #70741
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    Ostrich..Head…Sand πŸ™„
    No one can legally re sell a property that does not have a Licence of First Occupation. FACT.
    The whole development is fraught with problems.

  • #70742
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    @glassman wrote:

    Stated that the lady could not get a mortgage or anyone not resell because of no habitation licence and we know this to be incorrect.

    I think the point of the above statement is that now banks in this day and age are not willing to lend on anything that doesn’t have a LFO (they happily did in the past).

    As for her not being able to resell – it is not because she cannot legally do so. It is because no-one wants to buy now if there is no LFO or if all the legal paperwork are not in place. Why take the risk?
    I know many (good!) lawyers are now advising their clients not to purchase where there is a building licence under judicial review, and a LFO that has been refused.

  • #70743
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    @Claire wrote:

    No one can legally re sell a property that does not have a Licence of First Occupation. FACT.

    They can – and do. Our urbanisation is full of properties without LFO which have been resold. It’s definitely not illegal, and the banks are still lending on these.

  • #70744
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    Maybe I take too much notice of lawyers, Tilly!! No wonder so many people are in trouble when buying in Spain!

    I know that some older urbinizations do not have LFO’s and this is accepted in Spain. With new off-plan I was, as I say above, under the impression that you cannot “flip” without the LFO in place.

  • #70745
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    Charlie
    Totally agree as at the moment its better to look for areas that do not have corruption problems ( if an area can be found )
    Stay away from offplan too is good advice.
    As far as my solicitors in Marbella are aware are that properterties are still selling in Marbella ????
    Banks are lending money,and everyone is just having to be cautious and that “IS FACT “
    More Banks are now coming to terms which the situation and this will improve further very soon.
    Facts are that this type of programme may just help push along the sorting of the corruption.

    Regards

    Jim πŸ˜†

  • #70746
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    @glassman wrote:

    Facts are that this type of programme may just help push along the sorting of the corruption.

    I’m pleased to hear that you now think that way Jim. πŸ˜€ It is the reason that I also agreed to assist in media coverage about corruption and Green Hills, also an Eralia development. It brings it out in the open to a large audience. It was not to “destroy the dream”

  • #70752
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    Claire
    Never have I said that these developers,solicitors or agents should not be brought to account.
    As well you know I have a court case of my own going on at the moment.
    Perhaps it would just be far more fair to target a wider range of developments so as to not confuse people into thinking that the only ones with problems are just the Eralia sites.
    Do you want me to start listing or is it that these two developments are the fall guys for the whole sorry mess in Spain.
    Your last posting explains alot, but who is the media coverage for ?

    Regards
    Jim πŸ˜€

  • #70755
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    Jim, I agree. You only have to read the various forums to see that there are many, many developments with the same problems and not all confined to the CDS. But each to his own.
    I read with interest , other peoples experiences of problem developments, but I was not involved with these developments. I was and still am involved with the situation of the Eralia developments, particularly Green Hills. I only have knowledge of these developments. Therefore I only speak about these developments, in the same way that you do.( My involvement has not ended because we have our deposit back. We still have a related case ongoing.)
    It is up to other individuals to speak up about their problem developments if they so wish, in the way, for example, that Suzanne does about La Reserva and Goodstitch too, although I cannot remember which development he bought on. πŸ˜•

    You and I have a different opinion about Green Hills, which I accept we will never agree upon. πŸ˜‰

    The media coverage helps to inform Joe Public of the corruption rife in Spain. Two years ago, nobody knew the full extent of the problem. The bubbles were just coming to the surface. Now they have burst.

  • #70756
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    Hi Claire
    Agree,but still think that these developments come in for more than their fair share.simple as that.
    I think given time both of these developments will turn out as well as many and as we know are in a great part of Spain
    Yep I do like the apartment I have in Green Hills but even I can see that the owners of one of the blocks have reason not to be too pleased, 😑
    Think we all would luv to have seen the top phase completed,no corruption and the money perhaps available to finish the area but sometimes s-it happens and we just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    Think also that somone should be made to tidy up the roads and the poor finish of the stone retaining walls on Los Lagos very poor finish and makes the develpoment look cheap(run out of money me thinks)
    Get rid of Las Vista and make some space also would help.
    What happened to the poor soles on that development ?
    As well you know I have problems with an apartment on another development of which I to have a considerable amount of knowledge on.
    Perhaps I differ in as much as many owners may be very happy and some may have enough worries as it is without me trying to turn every thread back to that one development telling how bad it may or may not be.
    Many of us just deal with our problems and try in the best way to post varied postings to perhaps just balance some good with some bad and try to respect that we have opinions that at times vary.

    Regards

    Jim
    πŸ˜€

  • #70757
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    Whow ?
    Not deleted yet ? πŸ˜€ 😯 πŸ˜•

    Jim

  • #70760
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    Claire

    my development was to be Angel de Miraflores in Mijas. For those not familiar with it, nice location, poor build quality, nearly 5 year build time instead of promised 18 months! reported local stream problem, sewage problem, drainage problem, so still no LFO. Never had a BG from developer. More appartments crammed in to same area, so looks nothing like our original plans etc etc.

    I think some problems above are, or have been sorted, but just to cap it all, our appartment size in our contract was 100m2. After nearly 4 years the developer said they had made a mistake and sold our appartment, but we could hve a replacement one in another block, not much more than half the size, with no discount!!!!!!

    Many have completed on this site, and some i understand are happy, and i assume got the specification in their contract? Others were ”advised” to complete on the threat, that if they don’t they may lose their deposit and apartment, as the developer may go bust while trying to sort it out. Others, due to the almost unbelievable build time, stress, strain, sleepless nights, worry, have completed out of desperation, and are ‘making the best of it’

    From our point it’s just a bloody big con, from the start, by a bunch of sharks, and judging by the PM’s i’ve had, it’s a similar story in many areas of the CDS.

    Anyone wanting a balanced opinion, needs to include the above, we are not alone!!!

  • #70761
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    Thanks for outlining your situation Goodstitch. πŸ™‚ Yet another appalling con of greedy developers. It is a sorry situation when people feel they have to complete just to get away from the stress of it all, so they think. IMHO, they are replacing one sorry state of affairs with another. What they have bought is not what they thought they were buying. Reading about other developments the general theme is “we’re making the best of what we’ve got.” Typically British “Gung Ho” in the face of adversity. πŸ˜‰ It just shouldn’t be like that.

    Mijas is another fab location too, although my family felt it has become more overcrowded and rather more “touristy” than it was four years ago. There are amazing views to the coast though.

  • #70762
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    Claire

    yes, the views are great, the location just what we wanted. It all looked so good 5 years ago. Like many, we made the big mistake of trusting our lawyers/Spanish ststem to help us, if at any stage things started to go wrong. Even then, we took agent speak with a pinch of salt, but i dont feel we could have had any idea of the lies/corruption that faced us in the following years. We thought of it as a well researched gamble, but had we had any clue that the odds were stacked so far against us, we wouldn’t have touched it with a barge pole!

  • #70763
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    We were exactly the same as yourselves, Goodstitch. Thought we had got it right! πŸ˜₯ As has been said many times before “Hindsight is a wonderful thing”!
    Nowadays, I think people are far better informed and aware of what has/is happening in Spain. I just hope the people that move on to other countries to invest in property, will remember the lessons learned from some peoples bad experiences and not have the same problems elsewhere.

    Yes I know there are loads of people with good experiences too!!!! πŸ˜‰

  • #70764
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    Claire

    if we can stop anyone going through what we have been through, then i feel ‘telling it like it is’ has been well worth it.

    Yes, loads of people have had good experiences and good luck to them, i wish them all the best. After all, that’s all any of us wanted.

  • #70766
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    IMO Spain will only restore confidence in their property market when they are seen to be giving people justice when things go wrong. There just can’t be a system where there seems to be no recourse unless an expensive, risky and lengthy process has to be gone through.

    Those who have completed on illegal builds and even occupying them should not be worrying about the possibility of demolition.
    (hopefully the new damning report concerning Albox is the first step towards this goal).

    And purchasers who have bought into off-plans and are not happy with the result because it was not as promised, should have the right not to complete and have the return of all monies with interest.

    In my view, developers until now have got away with blue murder. Read a story recently where a lady ordered an off-plan villa, chose house colour, kitchen/bathroom style, where windows were to be etc. The end result was TOTALLY different to agreed spec. – even the position of windows and doors. The developers response to her complaints? “Well, just sell it if you don’t like it”. THIS IS JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

    I have often said on this forum I don’t understand that if I order a blue car and they deliver a pink one, I am not obliged to accept it. And the car dealer could not force me to accept it. Why is it deemed different with a property purchase?

    And I am sick and tired of developers beating their breast saying “It’s not our fault the Town Hall was corrupt. They issued us with the building licence, so now they should honour it as we’ve now spent a lot of money building the development. We are just an innocent party in all this corruption”.

    What is the definition of a corrupt official? An official who accepts brown envelopes under the table for favours.
    Who handed them the brown envelopes because they wanted these favours? The developers!
    Don’t let anyone lose sight of this – they are as guilty as the corrupt officials. They are the corrupters of the corrupted.

    All this TV/media exposure is fine – but come on Spain. Let the people who deserve it get punished, let purchasers have their justice where they have been royally screwed, and get your legal house in order – including coming down hard on rogue lawyers, of whom you have many. It’s almost impossible to get even a ‘slap on the wrist’ from your not-so-illustrious Colegio de Abogados.
    And then – maybe – confidence in your property market will be restored, and you can continue milking your gravy-train in property taxes.

  • #70767
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    Bravo! Bravo! Charlie πŸ˜€

  • #70768
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    charlie

    smack on post as usual, but why the hell is such common sense thinking lost on the Spanish system?…..yes i know it’s all about greed corruption etc, but as you say, they are shooting themselves in the foot? Utter madness in my opinion, and so avoidable with a few decent people at the helm.

  • #70770
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    tHEY WILL KEEP ON RUNNING THE GRAVEY TRAIN. SADLY THE SPANISH MANANA COMES IN TO PLAY. IF MONEY CAN BE MADE TODAY THAN WHY SHOULD MANANA BE CARED FOR. I AM AFRAID THIS A VERY MEDETARNIAN WAY OF LOOKING AT LIFE AND UNLIKE THE NORTHERN EUROPEANS.

    I PERSONALLY LIKE A BALANCE OF THE TWO.

    Sorry wasnt shouting just forgot to take the cap lock off

  • #70773
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    The trouble is the few people at the helm are not decent – their greed blinded them to the damage they are doing to their landscape, their country’s reputation and to the misery they cause to untold numbers of people. I believe their mentality is to squirrel away as much as they can for as long as they can, let the consequences of their actions go hang – and eventually retire to enjoy their booty.

    One just wonders when the likes of Roca would ever feel it is enough. Obviously in his case, 144 million euros (plus) wasn’t. His greed had become a sickness that hopefully imprisonment will help cure.

  • #70775
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    shakeel

    manana’s a bit one way though, though my appartment took 5 years to build, if i had turned round to the developer at his required completion time and said ‘manana’, i’ll pay it in 12 months time, i don’t think that would have been accepted as ”the Spanish way”. Crooks are crooks, and will continue to prosper if they are allowed to get away with it, by crooks in a higher position.

  • #70778
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    With developers, what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.
    Typical example – I know on La Reserva, some purchasers have been told for every day they don’t complete they are clocking up a hefty fine.
    This is often written in ‘their’ contracts.

    However what about a fine for every day a developer delivers the property late?
    I once asked a lawyer this and his reply was “Even if you applied for this through the court, it is unlikely the judge would enforce this – deemed as an unfair penalty”. 😯

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    charlie

    that last paragraph speaks volumes!

  • #70790
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    @charlie wrote:

    However what about a fine for every day a developer delivers the property late?

    Penalty clauses are common, legal and enforcable in building/construction contracts.

    However, such a clause has to be in the contract in the first place and agreed upon by all parties to the contract. If a prospective purchaser signs a contract without such a penalty clause then it cannot be added retrospectively.

    If the developer/builder draws up his own standard contract then of course it is unlikely to include a penalty clause. Which is why any would-be purchaser (or, similarly, would-be employer of a builder) should have their own contract drawn up or, at the very least, be involved in and negotiate the contract terms, before putting pen to paper.

    All too often people sign contracts without reading them properly or getting professional advice or simply questioning the contract clauses. At pre-purchase stage, it is the would-be purchaser who has the power and they should wield it, not simply do as they are told or as they think they are expected to do.

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    hillybilly

    isn’t that why we employ a lawyer?, and how many have found the lawyers useless or working for the agent or developer? Not only that, but despite the many breaches in my contract, we still have to go to court. Why the hell should we have to do that when any honest legal body that knows right from wrong, should be able to make a judgement in our favour, bases on contract details, and sort it out with a threat of action if not complied with right away, as in U.K?

  • #70796
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    @hillybilly wrote:

    All too often people sign contracts without reading them properly or getting professional advice or simply questioning the contract clauses.

    Unfortunately Hillybilly this is where a lot of us (myself included) went wrong.
    We trusted our lawyers to ensure our contracts were just and had our interests protected.
    Back in 2003, I had never heard of a ‘dodgy lawyer’, but did I land myself a whale of one!

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    Hi Goodstich 44
    I can well see why you are so bitter and perhaps like me detest what’s happened.( hopefully we will both have our day) πŸ˜€

    REALITY IS ❓
    People come to live in this country and we all expect them to live by our laws and standards.
    We go to another country and expect them to again live by our standards (Helloooow)wake up time.. 😯
    Off plan has hopefully had it day in Spain and anyone with deposits on property will without very good reasons i.e. no build (which is covered by a bank guarantee.) :?:may have to complete.
    Of course there will be isolated cases (hopefull Suzanne,Goodstich and me) πŸ˜€
    Luv to be proved wrong though ,HONEST πŸ˜€
    We have had to wake up to the L.F.O situation(as my first posting) and now to the fact that there will be almost no demolitions.
    Going back day after day on how badly some have been treated in 2001/02/03 mayhelp some as a comfort but it sure as hell is not going to change anything.This is 2007. ❗
    Do we think that we can change the morals and standards of someone else’s country “,we cant even sort our corrupt one out “
    As we have found out we aint going to change the past and we aint goin to change future are we and 12 months we all will be history.
    How would some on this forum feel if someone made comments that they hated the house that you lived in. ❓
    You rightly would say,they that are rude what the hell as it got to do with you so I ask myself, why and whats the point of offending people and owners of Spanish property owners on a few developments.
    Many are understandably very bitter and want to get back at those that hurt them,I think however that it may be at the expence innocent others.
    This is an honest posting and no one has any reason to be offended or any reason for it to be deleted.
    I have nothing to gain or loose only just putting forward my views as probably one that has had more experience, good and bad than many put together.
    I ask that should anyone wish to reply it is submitted with the open and honest manner .without any malice that I have made this posting or I would appreciate no reply at all

    Regards

    Jim πŸ˜€

  • #70800
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    Goodstitch, your words echo many people’s sentiments.

  • #70804
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    Goodstitch, I understand your point, a good post. Try not to take comments about a development personally. I don’t think anyone who bought off-plan during the last few years got the place they were hoping for even if only because of minor things. The brochures all promised “luxury” and its easy to sell something that doesn’t exist. All the property forums are full of complaints on ALL the spanish coasts.

    I was speaking to someone yesterday who bought near Torrequebrada and should have had sea views. The developer shoved in another block in front on what was stated was a car park ❗ They are now within shaking hands distance of their neighbouring block and no views.

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    Claire

    yes, i think so to. and like yours, my particular situation is THE reality, not opinion.

    Jim

    Spain is not a backward poor country, and i dont believe we can say that we should expect to be treated badly because ‘that’s the way the country operates?’ I think that is insulting to Spanish people. As in all countries there are good and bad, and sadly it’s in many peoples nature to do the wrong thing if they can get away with it.

    The plain fact is, if the appropriate rules are in place, but not enforced, as is often the case in Spain, due to corruption, greed etc, then call it what you like, it’s simply wrong, Spain, UK, anywhere! Some people have blamed the old dictatorship on Spains reluctance to conform to rules and regulations,…… 20-30 years ago perphaps, but that excuse is wearing a bit thin now i feel.

    On the positive side, many sharks are now being exposed, and sites like this make people far more aware of the dangers. If Spains courtrooms can come down heavy on the sharks at all levels, then hopefully in a few years time, Spain will be a far nicer place to buy, due to more honest and decent people in important positions? Or is that to much to ask?

  • #70806
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    Hey Goodstitch, this may interest you. Can you refuse such an invitation! πŸ˜‰

    http://www.surinenglish.com/noticias.php?Noticia=10386

    Especially this. After this talk, everybody will be able to enjoy a gourmet cocktail lunch prepared by the β€œJardΓ­n de la Cala” restaurant which will be served in the gardens of the hotel.

    What an opportunity to air your views.!!

    Also of interest:
    http://www.surinenglish.com/noticias.php?Noticia=10404

    http://www.surinenglish.com/noticias.php?Noticia=10403

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    Claire

    thanks for that info’, having my own business and a young family, i have to book things up like this, weeks or months in advance!, but sounds good, though probably more help for those living or intending to live there in the near future.

  • #70808
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    I said it slightly “tongue in cheek” πŸ˜‰

  • #70810
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    Glad I am not the only one who believed the agents who I cant mention, who were from Ireland and spoke english and trusted them. They were sooooo charming and bought in Las Vistas through their lawyers WITHOUT a BG. Now the development is stopped. I saw it on the programme and could also see my unfinished apartment. Sad. I still live in hope. Anyone there who bought in Las Vistas

  • #70811
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    Hi Acornestates,
    Are you taking any legal action?
    There is someone who has posted on another forum and he got his money back from the developer of Las Vistas last year.He called in the BG because of the long delays. I know that’s not an option for you with no BG though. πŸ™ Your lawyer should have got one for you so they should be in the firing line too. 😑

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    Hi Goodstich 44

    I simply cant agree more with your posting and I for one would be the last person to condone any of the corruption that has gone on.
    Spain I feel has been dragged along screaming into the Eurozone 2000 and the investment of such large amounts put into the infrastructure has been an opportunity to bring about greed and corruption on a massive scale.(we are sadly involved)
    With the Spanish law system in the past century it was clearly a case of being completely unable to cope with and an open door for many to join in this honey pot before them
    As we know greed and corruption is worldwide and in no country is it getting better as indeed in many it’s just starting
    As you say hopefully the worst is over for Spain but for some they will be waiting for the next gullible suckers to come along, yes just like us a few years back. πŸ˜₯
    Thankfully the new breed are hopefully better informed and the Spanish Law has perhaps moved on a little since then as the worlds spotlight is on them
    The point is that this is their country, first and foremost and while we may not like it as they say” When in Rome ?
    Its several years back now that most of the corruption occurred and the situation has changed for many in as much as no matter how hard they have tried most will have to complete or loose their deposit.but I for one consider all will be well at the end.
    As I said this is wake up time and the last thing many need right now is comments from some for whatever motives like that development is cr-p or sh-t as some may be happy and some may be sad. πŸ˜€ πŸ˜₯
    Quite simply it has no bearing and only to cause further grief for the innocent as in case no ones noticed no one else seems to be listening.
    I more than most can see the camaraderie (used to play for West Ham) through trouble times in this forum but many are now seeing it as becoming a potential curse.
    My views are no different from any on these forums but perhaps I may just take a wider view which life has taught me to do through some very hard lessons.
    I know some do not like these views and many prevous like me may have walked away but the one thing I do is stand up for what I believe in and what I feel is right for the majority and will till I am probably banned again.
    Well thats life and I wont be on some christmas card lists,but what the hell at least my intentions are sincere with no hidden agenda.
    Thanks at least for the courteous reply and hope my speling or gramer has not been to bad πŸ˜•

    Regards
    Jim
    πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • #70847
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    Jim

    though i sympathise with those like us, who have for whatever reason bought on a bad development, where i disagree with you is, that i do feel we owe it to anyone looking for good advice from this site, to call a spade a spade. I don’t think comments like ”a development is c**p” or ” a development is s***e ”, is out out of order if it is fact!!, and buying in to it is at best a poor decision, often forced on to people for many reasons by the various sharks . Some people may be happy buying into a place with no LFO, late build time, not to specification etc, but that does make it o.k for them to come on here and ‘big up’ their development?…….i dont think so, they are not just fooling themselves (that’s up to them), but to try and fool other people is just wrong in my opinion, and they deserve to be banned from the site. I don’t think anyone will be banned for presenting strong views based on hard facts, and it’s those hard facts that are making people turn round and say ”i’ve had enough, i’ll find a good lawyer and get my deposit back”. Long may it continue!

  • #70849
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    Hi goodstich – it is not just us on this forum who take it on ourselves to highlight the negatives.
    Have just seen this by someone called Ian, posting on another forum, which echoes many of us sentiment-wise:

    Hi

    I bought my penthouse over 4 years ago for a price in excess of 400,000 euros (with an exchange of 1.6 to the pound, great price), I actually viewed the site with nothing but wasteland, after reading the specifications and being shown a similar property I was satisfied that this would be a nice development. I have had my place now for 4 months and I have done nothing with it, its still empty.

    My problems started when I put my Β£4,000 deposit down.

    1. The property was supposed to be complete early 2005, actually ready June 2006

    2. The layout chganged a pool now became another apartment block.

    3. The angle of my property changed and the views are OK but not as nice as expected.

    4. The kitchen appliances were supposed to be Bosch, they are actually the cheapest whites that you can buy on the market and the disgusting finish to the kitchen adds insult to injury.

    5. The landscaping is the worst I have ever seen on a luxury development, hopefully this will improve as the time goes on.

    6. The pools are very small if all the apartments were full then we would be like sardines.

    7. My solicitors were useless they were supposed to check everything was in order before completeing, but obviously they just want the money.

    8. The overall build of the development has got a lot to be desired!

    9. Never buy off plan prices go up or down even if they are built. Buy what you can see. The developers are liars and the estate agents are highway robbers in disguise!

    PLUS POINTS

    1. Most of the building work is done in the Elviria area thats one big plus. The views are nice. The locality of shops, beach and restaurants are good. Eventually when the development are finished it will be a nice place. Hopefully I will get this place furnished I should cover my costs wityh rental, although I did buy this place for an investment, I saw the ship and missed it!

    Ian has posted the good and the bad re. his development (Los Lagos) which offers a balanced view of his opinion. But what a damning disgraceful list of ‘negatives’.
    As I said in my post to Pat on the ‘Return of Deposit’ thread, it really is not good enough for developers to serve up ‘inferior goods’ and expect to get away with it.

    Advertised ‘Bosch’ appliances but installed just cheap ones for example?
    Or squeeze in an extra block of appts. where a pool should have been?
    Whatever happened to misleading advertising – or did the developer cleverly have a “we reserve the right to change ……..”.

    Wonder if Spain has the equivalent of our “Trade Description Act” ?????

  • #70850
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    πŸ™ charlie, the experiences of that posting reminds me of what we were sold and promised by Ocean Estates some years ago in Cabopino (near Elviria).

    Very little matched their marketing material, specifications, promises re views not going, pool and gardens, cheap white goods, lack of security etc etc length of build was way over their dates, lawyer was plainly working more for the Developer and Ocean rather than buyers.

    Yet despite all this, it was amazing just how many of their Directors, Managers and Staff were also supposed to have bought on this site too, this turned out to be completely untrue, it was a rehearsed move supposed to panic buyers into thinking they were missing out.

    As people keep saying on these forums ‘keep exposing the scammers’ and maybe others will benefit from our mistakes.

  • #70851
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    @paul wrote:

    As people keep saying on these forums ‘keep exposing the scammers’ and maybe others will benefit from our mistakes.

    Paul – absolutely ❗

  • #70854
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    Paul/charlie

    i’m sure that’s the best way forward. I do feel very sorry though, for those who have completed for whatever reasons on developments that should not have been completed on, and are now just desperate to rent or sell, and who must be sick of people like us highlighting the bad points for their potential customers to read with dismay!. What’s the alternative though? more lies, more being ‘economical’ with the truth? Hopefully everyone will benefit in the long run from more transparency, not least those who were conned in to compleating by the various low-life agents/developers/lawyers, now slowly being exposed. Hopefully this will also help the good guys. It would be nice to see more positive posts about them as well, they certainly need seperating from the others, so as not to be all tarred with the same brush.

  • #70858
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    Hi Goodstich 44

    Agree again that its irresponsible trying to big up a development as this is pretty pointless anyway as its clear that most have problems one way or another. (our 2 for a start)
    What I question sometimes is the motives of some that wish to post and make comments as stated as the owners have either deposits or have completed on their property and are just trying to move on,

    These people can’t be put off buying as they purchased several years ago ie 2002-2003 so it can only inflict further harm no matter which way you look at it.
    Just spare a thought at times for the majority(yes the majority) πŸ™‚ and never ever give up on trying to put the overall message that we have to share through our dreadful experiences πŸ˜₯
    Charlie! as you say this person has put his views as a property owner and to be honest you cant argue with it.( deserves what he paid for but as we know thats not reality in many aspects of bouchures or promises for most products and services worldwide)do we get it
    My only question is that if someone was to post a positive one tomorrow would they not be accused of bigging up the develpoment even though this was their opinion πŸ˜•

    Regards
    Jim πŸ˜€

  • #70859
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    glassman wrote:
    My only question is that if someone was to post a positive one tomorrow would they not be accused of bigging up the develpoment even though this was their opinion πŸ˜•

    It would obviously depend upon which development some one posted about I think. If it was one that we knew did not have legal planning consent then that would attract negative responses back.Providing all the legal licences were in place that would be great. Problem is I don’t think there are that many on the CDS,certainly not the Marbella area as I’m sure we would have heard about them. Maybe other parts of Spain?

  • #70860
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    Claire
    Now you are asking far to much as well you know when you ask for everything to be to be legal. πŸ˜•
    As we know this is going to take some time to sort and just perhaps as Marbella seems like its at the centre of lots of the corruption and as its really the main area of the Costa del Sol lets hope for some that this may be the first to lead the way as they will surely have to start somewhere.
    Until then as I have said its little point making things worse for many property owners on isolated developments as almost all have little option than to sit it out and deal with their situation now that the properties are completed.
    Dont give up the fight gal as this can do no harm at all.I for one are with it all the way but as I say again this is not 2002/or2003 and just in my opinion we should perhaps be tacklng the offplan concept and the corruption in general or it at times it may look as though individual opinions or motives may mask the bigger picture.

    Regards
    Jim πŸ˜€

  • #70861
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    Well I’ve just been reading another forum. It has so many posts with people taking legal action against developers, calling the EA’s all the names under the sun and one guy has been fighting for 7 years!!! I know it’s not 2003 but people are still trying to get justice from the appalling deceit and corruption of 2003/4. The fallout of these years will be around for many years to come and cannot be forgotten or swept under the carpet however inconvenient that may be to some.
    You said:and just in my opinion we should perhaps be tackling the off plan concept and the corruption in general or it at times it may look as though individual opinions or motives may mask the bigger picture.
    We are all trying to tackle the corruption and have been for a fair time. As for the latter part of your sentence, (I’m not sure what your insinuations are πŸ˜• ) it would be a very naive person to think that. I for one have no hidden agenda…I just want to see people get the justice they deserve, and the information given to help them in their quest to get that justice. (We ourselves are still fighting to get a wrong put right.) No room or time for rose tinted glasses.

  • #70862
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    @glassman wrote:

    Claire
    Now you are asking far to much as well you know when you ask for everything to be to be legal. πŸ˜•

    WHY ❓ ❓

  • #70868
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    Jim – the problem is that a great number of people who are in the predicament they are in today is a result of their purchase several years ago in 2001/2002/2003 – this is why these years are often mentioned. It’s not a case of keep harping back to these years, it is part of the story for most people and is pertinent to their current situation. And as Claire rightly says – the fallout from that time will be around for a long time.

    In all seriousness, I have been following your contributions these last few days with interest and would just like to answer a couple of your points.

    There is only one reason why this corrupt way has continued for so long. It is not because this is the ‘Spanish way of behaving’ – but because it has simply been allowed to do so. This is echoed by many Spanish friends.

    “If we don’t learn from history we are doomed to repeat it”. Never a truer word is spoken. And if some of us don’t continue the fight – in the courts, in the media, on forums like this etc. to continuously expose and keep in the spotlight what has happened in the past – despite it being ‘old news’ for some – then this ‘way of behaving’ will continue. That is why we do it.

    Good that the residents in Albox took their case to the EU, good that those in the land grab situation took their case to the EU – and good that on forums like these there are those of us who don’t succumb to the ‘lie down, roll over and shut up’ school of thought. Every new click on this forum by a new potential/existing buyer should be able to readily read what has gone on in the past and what is still going on now- because in my opinion it will be a long long time before all this is sorted.

    As recently as this week I know of someone who has got royally screwed in court because they were unwittingly represented by their original corrupt lawyer who made a case more for the developer than his client.
    Agents are still selling illegal developments, developers are still trying to force people to complete on a development that – until an LFO is issued – has no legal standing (registering with the notary does not make a build legally habitable) – and those who want ‘out’ should be able to get out.
    THE CORRUPTION IS STILL GOING ON.

    On the LFO subject, I believe we have differing views on its importance. Can I ask you to consider a couple of things.
    If your building without a LFO has subsidence, or someone is electrocuted by faulty wiring – who is responsible? Certainly not the Architect who signed the End of Works certificate on which many completions are based.
    And ‘Home Insurance’? Forget claiming if your home has not been deemed legally habitable. Just like your car insurance without a valid MOT and you have an accident because your brakes failed. This is not scaremongering – these are facts that some are either not aware of or choose to ignore. Lack of an LFO is not just an ‘irritation’. No LFO is fine on a legal build where the application has just got caught up in a long queue. On an illegal build where it has been actively refused by the Town hall? That is a totally different kettle of fish.

    I for one don’t come here day after day repeating how some of us were badly treated in the past just to give ‘comfort’. And to say by doing so is not going to change anything in my opinion is wrong. By direct result of the likes of Claire, goodstich etc, 30 people we personally know are now fighting for their rights in court and are testimony to that.

    You have written that you feel “we aint going to change the past and we aint goin to change the future …”. Well, on this we have a different viewpoint. The past we can do nothing about, but the future? YES WE CAN, and it’s already happening. There is already a tangible change in the air. And no, it is not just to “get back at those that hurt us” – it is for something called “Justice”.

    Let’s hope all of us with on-going cases keep fighting, exposing, and relaying our stories. Believe me, this forum is far from dying and people are listening – they are beginning to realise they don’t have to accept from a duff lawyer that they can do nothing about the situation they find themselves in, that it will take years to go to court, and that they’ll probably lose anyway.
    I predict that we’ll see more postings like Pat’s in the coming months where she received her justice – and her money back, and I look forward oneday to seeing a similar post from you, Suzanne, Goodstich and all those seeking the same justice.

    Remember there are many who come on this forum and learn more as to what is going on than they do from their lawyers.
    Likewise from programmes like the one that originally started this thread. πŸ˜‰

  • #70870
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    Charlie
    Excellent posting and cant argue with any point other than just look to understand that the Spainsh,the French,Germans,Brits are as we are some good ,some bad.
    While we all want justice just perhaps understand there are owners who have completed with no L.F.O as this was the legal advice on their particular situations.
    Of course I appreciate the situation with the L.F.Os and its good you point out the various problems that can arise without one,the other is that they could loose their property or deposit.
    Perhaps if many had completed(with paperwork in place of course before iI get a blasting) πŸ˜€ the developer may have had the money to complete some of these developments to the standards many expected.
    Some people either luv their property or are dealing with the situation you aint goin to change much for these 99.9%of people as the deals done.
    If Goodstich,Suzanne ,me or any one else gets a result then as can be seen I am overjoyed as the rest.and I to would luv to help anyone (which I do by P.Ms) I could to avoid making the same mistakes however perhaps my opinions are base on 2007 and not 2002 as things have changed for so many since then.
    However I also understand and as you know have a situation based on these previous years there is no reasone whatsoever to use this media opportunity to have a go at those that a few consider hurt them but perhaps not everyday as appears the case sometimes and it sounds like the records stuck.
    There will always be views on both sides but its good to understand them.

    Regards
    Jim
    πŸ˜€

  • #70871
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    @glassman wrote:

    there is no reasone whatsoever to use this media opportunity to have a go at those that a few consider hurt them

    Jim,
    On the particular development that Channel 4 highlighted in Elviria there are many, many more than a few that have been “hurt” by the developers, Grupo Eralia. 😯

  • #70872
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    @glassman wrote:

    …..cant argue with any point other than just look to understand that the Spainsh,the French,Germans,Brits are as we are some good ,some bad.

    Don’t need to ‘look to understand’ Jim. Last month I wrote on your ‘Good News’ thread:
    “Despite my unfortunate experience in buying a property, my love for the country and it’s people hasn’t waned. And even though my rogue lawyer and the developer were Spanish, I am long enough in the tooth and have travelled enough to know there are good and bad in every country”.

    With regards to “you aint goin to change much for these 99.9%of people as the deals done” – I appreciate that. But as I said clearly in my post, “The past we can do nothing about, but the future? YES WE CAN”.

    Jim – I am interested to ask you something which perhaps you can answer.
    From all your postings, you have made it clear that you are involved in two developments – both with an ‘illegal status’ at present.
    On one (the garden appt. at La Reserva), you openly admit on this and another forum that you are going to court to get your monies back, that the developer deserves everything he gets, etc.
    On your other appartment at Green Hills, you have taken the other direction and have completed – and give advice that purchasers should complete or lose their money. That by purchasers not completing, it is causing the developer financial hardship and question the ‘motivation’ of contributors to this forum who advocate not completing.

    With respect – it seems you are wearing two different hats. How do you equate this with regards to the advice you offer? A serious question with no hidden agenda behind it – just interested in your reply.

    Regards
    Charlie

  • #70873
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    Claire
    No more than most of the other developers and no I really dont look through rose tinted glasses as if you like I would luv to email you the pictures of my real problems on the other development to prove it πŸ™‚
    As I said I am in a far better position than most to post balanced and fair opinions,
    I choose not to make to big of a song or dance about it as I choose to understand that many be happy or have problems enough as it is.

    Regards
    Jim

  • #70874
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    @glassman wrote:

    Claire

    As I said I am in a far better position than most to post balanced and fair opinions,

    I am sure we would all love to know why you are” in a better position than most”. What is your position? You often say this but you do not qualify your statement. Please do on this occasion (or we all might think you are employed by Eralia!. :wink:)
    I’m offended πŸ™ πŸ˜‰ …do you not think any other forum user is able to give a “fair & balanced opinion?”

  • #70875
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    Many neighbourhood associations and a few foreigners groups have been protesting in marbella that many illegal buildings won’t be demolished. They are saying that although people bought the illegal buildings in good faith so did they years ago and now some of these illegals are blocking their view/light, taken their green spaces etc. They are calling for demolition now.

  • #70876
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    Hi Claire
    Yep I have more experience with the goods and the bads and nope I dont think that this forum at times gives a balanced view but this just my opinion and many others.
    Some have gone into media coverage of the situation is in Spain and its clear what the remit is,
    Some on the other forums are clearly a plant for the developers and thats the problem,no one really knows the motives of many on these forums and feel that I am one of the few that just tries to balance things out for many.
    An Eralia employee ? come on Claire πŸ˜€
    Please, please dont be offended as there is no intention from my part whatsover.
    Come on we are getting on a little better ? admit it ? πŸ˜€
    If you want a laugh at my expence the offer to email a real problem on one of my properties is open ( have to laugh or I will cry)

    Regards

    Jim
    πŸ˜€

  • #70878
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    That is a good point, Katy – and a question everyone involved should ask themselves.

    If it was they who had bought in good faith years ago based on the fact the surrounding area would never be built on (re. ’86 PGOU plan and green zones etc.) – and suddenly their view changed from a seaview to that of the back of a new (illegal) development, what would their viewpoint be regards to demolition?

    It is a horrendous conundrum for people on both sides of the fence, literally.

  • #70879
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    Jim, with respect, I’d never give my email address out! I do not disbelieve what you say about La Reserva.(if that’s the development you speak about)

    I would just like to hear, in plain & simple words why you consider yourself to have more experience than most to give a fair & balanced view. What are the credentials? It puts the rest of us down. I’ll bow to higher knowledge from anyone, and am happy to do so, providing it’s proven.

  • #70888
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    Hi Claire
    I respect that you dont give out the your email address and suffice to say that I have considerable experience to which is no real interest to readers of this forum to read all of the details as they are complex and cover 8 years.
    No need to bow. πŸ˜†

    Regards

    Jim πŸ˜€

  • #70892
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    Sadly it seems you missed my post from earlier Jim πŸ™ ….but don’t worry, thought I’d repost it πŸ˜€

    I am interested to ask you something which perhaps you can answer.
    From all your postings, you have made it clear that you are involved in two developments – both with an ‘illegal status’ at present.
    On one (the garden appt. at La Reserva), you openly admit on this and another forum that you are going to court to get your monies back, that the developer deserves everything he gets, etc.
    On your other appartment at Green Hills, you have taken the other direction and have completed – and give advice that purchasers should complete or lose their money. That by purchasers not completing, it is causing the developer financial hardship and question the ‘motivation’ of contributors to this forum who advocate not completing.

    With respect – it seems you are wearing two different hats. How do you equate this with regards to the advice you offer?
    A serious question with no hidden agenda behind it – just interested in your reply.

  • #70893
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    suffice to say that I have considerable experience to which is no real interest to readers of this forum to read all of the details as they are complex and cover 8 years.

    Jim why do you so often say you have more experience than most and when asked to tell us your experience you say it is of no interest to forum readers? In that case, best not to mention it again! You say you have 8 years experience…… at what?? It could be anything from being a road sweeper to an astronaut! πŸ˜†

    Just a thought. Do you mean you have “experience in property” or do you mean you have had “experiences of life”?

  • #70898
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    I am getting a bit bored with this tit for tat chit chat. Just my opinion folks!

  • #70900
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    There are plenty of other more interesting threads to read! πŸ˜‰

  • #70910
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    As Claire says there are other threads to read.
    Trust me this is one of the better chit chats as at least the thread is still live. πŸ˜€

    Claire πŸ˜€ :Lets just say I have been around the block a few times.
    Charlie πŸ˜€
    Yep the one with no garden is giving me a problem but I simply have to deal with it and I hopefully will.(none of the guys on these forums are going to be able to help me one bit)other than if someone manages to get a result ie Phillip ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ (what happen to him ❓ )
    Charlie,if you wish to look at this particular apartment I can email it to you and perhaps you can understand that I am not best pleased but as I said perhaps I respect that some luv THEIR apartments.I can do my case (or theirs) no good going on day after day giving my personal opinions on this one site or one developer.
    As offered in the past offer to send anyone pictures of my other apartment which in my opinion is going to do just fine given 3 to5 years (if it dosnt then I will have to deal with it ).
    My opinions regarding the L.F.Os are well posted and again is my opinion and that of many solicitors however it must be taken on a case by case basis as we can only use the probables at this point of time.
    Sorry to bore you Oliver.

    Regards
    Jim
    πŸ˜€

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    @glassman wrote:

    Lets just say I have been around the block a few times

    Regards
    Jim
    πŸ˜€

    That’s part & parcel of getting old! πŸ˜†

  • #70913
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    Your right there gal πŸ™‚
    Hopefully a little wiser πŸ˜‰

    Regards
    Jim

  • #70915
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    Only eight years exerience though Jim? Just a young fledgling compared to most of us. πŸ™‚
    When you’ve clocked up more than 30 years experience, then we can compare experiences of going round that block.

    The important thing though is not how long you’ve been gathering experience, it’s that we learn from our mistakes along the way.
    Boasting of having more experience than most is no good if you’re still making the same mistakes. Eight years of buying and selling in Spain and the end result – you own two illegal builds!

    We have all got ‘bitten’ on this one in Spain, so wouldn’t it be better to leave out the boasting of how clever we are and concentrate on putting things right?

    Amen. πŸ˜‰

  • #70922
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    Charlie
    Appears after 30 years you made the same mistake as me but were able to get out of it through no build. πŸ™‚
    That development would have been great with the top phase as well you know and that just may come in time?
    The other was either that or loose money,to be honest I wish I had lost the money with all the c.ap I have had.
    Trust me the 8 is verrry condenced πŸ˜‰
    Still dosnt mean I have anything like the knowledge to even begin to be able to confidently steer some through the problems,just perhaps enough to share experiences both good and bad.(hopefully if that helps the great)
    Just opinions and a very good solicitor friend to help out if I get stuck.

    Double and Triple Amen

    Jim
    πŸ˜€

  • #70927
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    This is where we all need that first-class lawyer on our side.
    It seems amazing to me that on the same development, regarding the same no-build of upper blocks, and going to court – some of us came out of it with our money plus interest, others only came out of it having been awarded just their money with no interest – all on the instruction of the judge-at-the-time, and depending how our individual lawyers presented our cases.

    Having a good and trustworthy lawyer who is on your side (and not the developers) is all key to getting justice. Let’s hope all your lawyers who are going to court shortly are of this calibre – plus also there is that element of little bit of luck in having an unbiased judge.

    Good luck to you – and all of you – with pending cases.

  • #70938
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    A quiet program for Spain on Selling Homes abroad this week, however next week it is back under the cosh, with problematic Spanish builders and a couple whose illegal house faces demolition

    Jim

  • #70941
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    charlie

    that would be my main advice to someone looking to buy in Spain. Before you even start, make sure you have a good lawyer. Dont buy off-plan, and if serious about anywhere, ask opinions from people who post on here that aren’t full of c**p! (i would recommend a few PM’s to helpful regulars like charlie, claire, suzanne, katy, paul, myself and Mark who runs the site to define that one!) , then of go and spend a few weeks out there, listening to only the few agents you can trust (like the good agents that post on here) and finding as much out as possible from the neighbours and locals, local councils etc. If still happy, bargain hard, there is so much choice!. All above just my opinion of course.

  • #70960
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    Goodstich 44

    Agree with what you say only my advice would be to listen to all advise on the pros and the cons either in Spain/in the media or on forums and then to make an informed decision other wise as you say the info would be c-ap
    Only my opinion you understand

    Regards
    Jim πŸ˜‰

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    Jim

    …….the people named in my last post, as well as Dorothy, Drakan, Mario de castro (sorry for the good guys i’ve forgotten) are some of the people i’ve found give a balanced view, based on fact not just opinion. I’m not trying to start a witch hunt, just putting names forward that through my own experience i feel confident to recommend to people for good advice.

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    Goodstich 44
    As you say.
    This is your opinion only and everyone is entitled to that.

    Regards
    Jim πŸ™‚

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    Goodstitch44

    I understand what you are attempting to say but adult behaviour is such that they will never believe people who say “DON’T” and giving negative responses. Regardless of what the question is about .
    When an adult asks a question they are looking for the response they want to hear. Negative or positive. Fact of life and will keep asking until they do. It is often very frustrating.

    However people aren’t stupid either and so the ,in your opinion,”cr-p postings “of others , mine maybe πŸ™„ , must be permitted so that people can make up their own minds by reading everything.

    Most adults think they know best and that they will not suffer the problems of others regardless of how many warnings they read or hear.

    If this were not the case why are folk still eager to cash in on the equity of their UK homes , go to exhibitions or buy off plan ( all a definate no no IMHO) to buy abroad when there are constant media articles highlighting problems.
    Just seeing the massive amounts of ghetto style new builds crammed in would put me off buying in some areas.

    Had read about the black money , illegal builds etc scenario here and made a point of telling agents /lawyers, in fact everyone we were involved with, we were not going down that route. And we didn’t . But many still will because to them saving or making a few bob is worth the risk.

    Whether or not we have had a successful or disasterous journey buying abroad all anyone can do it tell others of our personal journeys ,when appropriate, and highlight problems that can and do occur.

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    Melosine.

    Think that about sums up everything I believe in and posted in a way that simply is a real gem.

    Regards to you

    Jim πŸ˜€

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    Melosine

    i know what you are saying, in the end it’s up to everyone to make up their own mind. If they don’t want to accept ugly truths about the pitfalls of buying in Spain, then that’s also up to them. All i am trying to do is point people in the direction of those who i have found i can rely on for good information that i’ve found to be truth, NOT just opinion. I think it’s only right to post positive about this, as it is to post negative about those spouting stuff i know to be rubbish!

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    Thanks for the vote of support Goodstitch. πŸ™‚

  • #71057
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    You don’t think that advising which posters to the forum should have their views respected smacks a little bit of elitism?

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