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  • #53588
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    I thought I would relate the 5th World Treatment received at Benidorm Policia Nacional in Benidorm.

    To start at the beginning a friend asked if I would accompany her to the cop shop to obtain the piece of paper that has replaced the Residents Card.

    Woke up at 5-25am , picked up my friend at 6-15am and arrived at cop shop at 6-30 am.
    Only to be confronted by at least 75 people in front of us in two queues, one for Spanish applying for D.N.I. , Passports etc the other queue made up of non Spanish requiring, N.I.E., the document replacing the Residence card etc.

    Nothing happened for almost two hours.

    At about 8-20am a person came out asking everyone what they required and if it could be dealt with a number was handed over. Remember we had arrived at 6-30am and were handed Nº 34. The offices opened at 8-30am nothing much happened ,it then became clear that there was a power cut, inside the building. Apparently only 40 tickets are issued to foreigners and 20 to the Spanish, each day so one can imagine people arriving before 7am and being sent home at 8-30am, if they happen to be 41st or later in the queue .

    9-45am the light came on again, we were still in the street the temperature was about 7º Celsius. During this time I would estimate that 30-40 people came and were told to come back the next day!!!!! I talked to an English couple who had come from Moraira about 25 miles from Benidorm, this was their second visit as they arrived too late for a ticket the day before.

    The next 3 hours saw us along with many others waiting around, people coming and going ,we were still in the street at 12-50am. Many of the people in the queue were well into their seventies and not very mobile.

    12-55am we were allowed to go in , I am very active my friend a lot less so I climbed the 9 steps ok , she gingerly, there is no ramp and you would need two circus strongmen to lift a wheelchair.

    The man issuing the forms like to smoke so popped out into the street every 20 minutes for a slow drag. Finally we got into his office spent 2 minutes whilst he pressed a few keys on his computer keyboard and had the certificate.

    I dropped my friend off at 1-30 pm ie over 7 hours after leaving her house.

    This form incidentally is useless as it is a glorified empadramiento form.
    It contains no photograph and shops assistants laugh when they see it offered as proof of identity. It is a European Union directive so the Spanish try to make it as difficult as possible to put it into practice.

    I hope this tale of woe will warn people of the problems in obtaining this form, certainly as far as Benidorm is concerned. I am informed these forms used to be issued at the Denia Police Station but this service?????? has been stopped.

    I would like to know 1) Why the highly paid Embassy and Consular staff at the various British establishments seem to say nothing about British subjects being treated like animals?.2)Why the local British press and radio stations never mention these abuses,interviews are given to the civil servants and time servers who are employed in these establishments but touchy subjects are never mentioned?.

    A real tale of woe. Does anyone know who should be contacted in the European Union, probably a complete waste of time but I would like to complain to someone?. If only to feel better.

    Sorry to have gone on but just want to warn people of what to expect.

  • #77619
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    These are the occasions when it is advisible to employ a Gestoria.

  • #77620
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    Glad you did post !

    I was unaware of the new certificate. I’ve been back to Alicante three times to try and collect my residencia, but the huge league of nations queue outside, coupled with the incredibly slow service, makes it impossible to be seen before 2pm (when the place shuts). Looking at a 3am start next time!

    Saw the following on the FCO travel advice website and I’m now wondering what purpose this second certificate serves, that the compulsory tax form NIE doesn’t?

    Since 28 March 2007 all EU citizens planning to reside in Spain for more than three months are required to register in person at the Foreigner’s Office (Oficina de Extranjeros) in their province of residence or at designated Police stations. However, you will no longer be issued with a residence card and, instead, you will be issued a certificate stating your name, address, nationality, identity number and date of registration. The certificate serves as confirmation that the registration obligation has been fulfilled, but it is not recognised by the local authorities as a valid form of identification and you are not obliged to keep the certificate with you.

  • #77777
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    Glad you did post !

    I was unaware of the new certificate. I’ve been back to Alicante three times to try and collect my residencia, but the huge league of nations queue outside, coupled with the incredibly slow service, makes it impossible to be seen before 2pm (when the place shuts). Looking at a 3am start next time!

    Saw the following on the FCO travel advice website and I’m now wondering what purpose this second certificate serves, that the compulsory tax form NIE doesn’t?

    Since 28 March 2007 all EU citizens planning to reside in Spain for more than three months are required to register in person at the Foreigner’s Office (Oficina de Extranjeros) in their province of residence or at designated Police stations. However, you will no longer be issued with a residence card and, instead, you will be issued a certificate stating your name, address, nationality, identity number and date of registration. The certificate serves as confirmation that the registration obligation has been fulfilled, but it is not recognised by the local authorities as a valid form of identification and you are not obliged to keep the certificate with you.

  • #77622
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    Melosine wrote:
    These are the occasions when it is advisible to employ a Gestoria.

    Doubt a gestor would do it or be allowed to do it, as a person in front of me in the queue asked for a form for a friend and was refused. Any way that is hardly the point why should one have to pay good money to a gestor for a certificate that the Spanish refuse to accept? That would be an abuse too far..

  • #77781
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    Melosine wrote:
    These are the occasions when it is advisible to employ a Gestoria.

    Doubt a gestor would do it or be allowed to do it, as a person in front of me in the queue asked for a form for a friend and was refused. Any way that is hardly the point why should one have to pay good money to a gestor for a certificate that the Spanish refuse to accept? That would be an abuse too far..

  • #77624
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    Agree this piece of paper serves no purpose as ID however .Gestorias do save you queuing for hours sometimes needlessly because they can make an appointment for you.
    On the usual “nod and a wink” I know but…money well spent IMO.

  • #77785
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    Agree this piece of paper serves no purpose as ID however .Gestorias do save you queuing for hours sometimes needlessly because they can make an appointment for you.
    On the usual “nod and a wink” I know but…money well spent IMO.

  • #77635
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    Can also be done by power of attorney

  • #77807
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    Can also be done by power of attorney

  • #77641
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    Inez, Haven’t you got the power of attorney notarised first. If yes than its a separate tangent you embark upon.

  • #77819
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    Inez, Haven’t you got the power of attorney notarised first. If yes than its a separate tangent you embark upon.

  • #77829
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    Yes but it can be done in the uk via a notary which is then sent over to the person given the task and this can ciocumvent all the aggro.

    Yes it costs, but can be cheaper than getting on a flight, staying over a day or so and still standinginthe que

    We have organized a few of these for our clients and before you ask , no we dont make anything out of it!

  • #77646
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    Yes but it can be done in the uk via a notary which is then sent over to the person given the task and this can ciocumvent all the aggro.

    Yes it costs, but can be cheaper than getting on a flight, staying over a day or so and still standinginthe que

    We have organized a few of these for our clients and before you ask , no we dont make anything out of it!

  • #77845
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    “We have organized a few of these for our clients and before you ask , no we don’t make anything out of it!”

    No, I wont ask. As i know you too well.

    Why would you feed a Notary/Courier/Gestor pockets for a useless piece of paper. This kind of useless paper chase has made the Spanish disrespecting and distrusting the system.

  • #77654
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    “We have organized a few of these for our clients and before you ask , no we don’t make anything out of it!”

    No, I wont ask. As i know you too well.

    Why would you feed a Notary/Courier/Gestor pockets for a useless piece of paper. This kind of useless paper chase has made the Spanish disrespecting and distrusting the system.

  • #77879
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    You know me Shakeel – others dont (lucky so and so’s! 😆 )

    It is totally useless. Once my residencia card runs out I have to get one – I am tempted to tke a spanish passport though!

    I will actually reduce and notarize my passport foto for id purposes but this scrap of paer is totally useless. Banks wont accept it as no piccy on it and not officila enough, so what good is it?

  • #77679
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    You know me Shakeel – others dont (lucky so and so’s! 😆 )

    It is totally useless. Once my residencia card runs out I have to get one – I am tempted to tke a spanish passport though!

    I will actually reduce and notarize my passport foto for id purposes but this scrap of paer is totally useless. Banks wont accept it as no piccy on it and not officila enough, so what good is it?

  • #77887
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    Inez wrote:
    You know me Shakeel – others dont (lucky so and so’s! 😆 )

    It is totally useless. Once my residencia card runs out I have to get one – I am tempted to tke a spanish passport though!

    I will actually reduce and notarize my passport foto for id purposes but this scrap of paer is totally useless. Banks wont accept it as no piccy on it and not officila enough, so what good is it?[/quote)

    This again shows Spain in a bad light, take all the EU money going but disregard any directive that does n´t produce money. Handled properly this document could have been useful as it is it is useless.

    I say again why do n´t the so called representative of Her Majesty´s Government in Spain ask the Spanish authorities to allow a reduced in sized British passport , certified by a notary to be acceptable as ID. GOD KNOWS THEY CHARGE 200 EUROS FOR A NEW PASSPORT ,PERHAPS THEY COULD THINK HOW TO DO SOMETHING FOR US FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF LIVING LIKE LORDS .

  • #77687
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    Inez wrote:
    You know me Shakeel – others dont (lucky so and so’s! 😆 )

    It is totally useless. Once my residencia card runs out I have to get one – I am tempted to tke a spanish passport though!

    I will actually reduce and notarize my passport foto for id purposes but this scrap of paer is totally useless. Banks wont accept it as no piccy on it and not officila enough, so what good is it?[/quote)

    This again shows Spain in a bad light, take all the EU money going but disregard any directive that does n´t produce money. Handled properly this document could have been useful as it is it is useless.

    I say again why do n´t the so called representative of Her Majesty´s Government in Spain ask the Spanish authorities to allow a reduced in sized British passport , certified by a notary to be acceptable as ID. GOD KNOWS THEY CHARGE 200 EUROS FOR A NEW PASSPORT ,PERHAPS THEY COULD THINK HOW TO DO SOMETHING FOR US FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF LIVING LIKE LORDS .

  • #77891
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    135yearswaiting:
    Get real no Government does anything for anybody. Do you think the HIPs in UK was for the benefit of the Citizens ????

    Yes: It attracts VAT as if stamp duty, VAt on legal fee and estate agents fee was not enough for them. The difference is that in Spain they do it on your face and in UK they do subtly.

    I have friends in the Foreign office. Its Job for the boys and I have never met a bunch of people so incompetent and incapable.

  • #77691
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    135yearswaiting:
    Get real no Government does anything for anybody. Do you think the HIPs in UK was for the benefit of the Citizens ????

    Yes: It attracts VAT as if stamp duty, VAt on legal fee and estate agents fee was not enough for them. The difference is that in Spain they do it on your face and in UK they do subtly.

    I have friends in the Foreign office. Its Job for the boys and I have never met a bunch of people so incompetent and incapable.

  • #77892
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    Now now – thats expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!!

    I dont know why they got rid of the residencia and what happens for the spanish as they mainly use these to travel inter-europe!

    My kids use theirs for their scooter licenses and if they are stopped by the police, also son has to produce it for his rugby travels, daughter athletics etc etc etc as do the other spanish children! Madness!!!

    And theres the UK wanting to INTRODUCE them!

  • #77692
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    Now now – thats expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!!

    I dont know why they got rid of the residencia and what happens for the spanish as they mainly use these to travel inter-europe!

    My kids use theirs for their scooter licenses and if they are stopped by the police, also son has to produce it for his rugby travels, daughter athletics etc etc etc as do the other spanish children! Madness!!!

    And theres the UK wanting to INTRODUCE them!

  • #77898
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    “Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! “

    I have met quite a few MPs, frankly they would be lucky to be employed by London transport. Irrespective of the political party. They play musical chairs to fill their pockets and make contacts for their future.

    Yes, you and I have been told that this is Democracy and it is our right.

  • #77698
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    “Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! “

    I have met quite a few MPs, frankly they would be lucky to be employed by London transport. Irrespective of the political party. They play musical chairs to fill their pockets and make contacts for their future.

    Yes, you and I have been told that this is Democracy and it is our right.

  • #77925
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    shakeel wrote:
    “Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! “

    I have met quite a few MPs, frankly they would be lucky to be employed by London transport. Irrespective of the political party. They play musical chairs to fill their pockets and make contacts for their future.

    Yes, you and I have been told that this is Democracy and it is our right.

    On the Barry Mitchell Breakfast Programme this morning on REM .FM radio he asked which company was he talking about when supplying the following facts , there were so many I cannot remember them all but basically it was as follows.

    The company employs just over 600 people.
    Of this workforce. 84 are up for drink driving.
    17 for fraud.
    30 cant get credit cards because of their credit record.
    50 are into their third marriage
    200 are into their second marriage.

    It went on in a similar vein.

    The company is in the Houses of Parliament, and the MP´S are the employees, not surprising but I thought interesting.

  • #77725
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    shakeel wrote:
    “Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! Now now – that’s expecting far too much from the people the UK people elected to serve them!!! “

    I have met quite a few MPs, frankly they would be lucky to be employed by London transport. Irrespective of the political party. They play musical chairs to fill their pockets and make contacts for their future.

    Yes, you and I have been told that this is Democracy and it is our right.

    On the Barry Mitchell Breakfast Programme this morning on REM .FM radio he asked which company was he talking about when supplying the following facts , there were so many I cannot remember them all but basically it was as follows.

    The company employs just over 600 people.
    Of this workforce. 84 are up for drink driving.
    17 for fraud.
    30 cant get credit cards because of their credit record.
    50 are into their third marriage
    200 are into their second marriage.

    It went on in a similar vein.

    The company is in the Houses of Parliament, and the MP´S are the employees, not surprising but I thought interesting.

  • #77938
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    I should always check the milk bottle after has prospective candidate or a sitting MP has kissed your baby and disinfect the environment.

  • #77738
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    I should always check the milk bottle after has prospective candidate or a sitting MP has kissed your baby and disinfect the environment.

  • #78376
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    IBEX down 5.19% today, this time it fell much harder than other European stock markets. The banks were hit particularly hard. The index now stands at 12,814. I expect it to bottom out around 10,000 (just a hunch). Some way to go then.

    Mark

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    wrong forum, Mark

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