Property prices in Spanish sunbelt regions fall by 15%

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  • #57331
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    Link: Property prices in Spanish sunbelt regions fall by 15%

    Interesting reading from Spanish Property Insight, which recently reported that in many parts of Spain, properties are on the market for less than it would cost to build them new.

    The latest figures show that house prices in sunbelt regions fell by 15% in a year.

    The website refers to the latest house price index from the appraisal company Tinsa, which shows that Spanish house prices declines are accelerating. Average national prices fell by 13.8% over 12 months to the end of January, by 14.9% in coastal areas, and 11.1% in the Islands. And from the peak to present, average prices have fallen 35.3%, and by more than 40% on the coast.

    It also quotes data from Eurostat, which shows that Spanish house prices fell by 15.2% over 12 months to the end of September, compared with an EU-wide fall of just 1.9%. As such, Spanish property prices fell by the most in Europe.

    As a result, experts argue that asking prices are now below replacement costs in many areas. Fernando Rodríguez de Acuña, from the analysts RR. Acuña y Asociados, said: “In more than half the country asking prices are now below the cost of construction,” in comments to the Spanish press.

    Acuña also said that house prices will fall another 10% to 12% in annual declines of 5% for the next couple of years, and that some homes are now cheaper than they were in 2001, before the boom took off.

  • #116019
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    Replacement cost is a non factor in a crisis like this. Especially in tourist areas. Its the amount of lendable money that sets the bottom.

  • #116021
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  • #116022
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    Once again, because I wasn’t logged-in, I see Jake’s posts – this one totally irrelevant to real estate (Syrian girl).

    And then I actually clicked on his “The truth about Spain” link that he includes in every post.

    I have to say that while it is irritating to have to put up with Jake, I’m shocked that Mark allows Jake to include a link to his blog, a blog which includes what appears to be borderline death threats:

    “I would like to make a skin suit out of Gavin Greenway”

    “I would love to eat Gavin Greenway’s liver”

    “Death to Gavin Greenway”

    “GAVIN GREENWAY MUST DIE”

  • #116023
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    Gary,

    What the hell are you talking about? Have you forgotten to take your Efaverenz, Truvada medication?

  • #116024
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    No Jake. I see you edited your site after my post.

    Fortunately I made a complete copy of your site for the authorities. I’ll upload it so you can have a look.

  • #116026
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    I saw the threats and accusations on Jake’s site last week – I even posted here that he should address it.

    Jake – you can’t do an edit and then accuse another poster of making things up and needing medication. You’ll end up like those poor souls who have multiple identities on a single site in their bid to win arguments on a talkboard. 🙄

  • #116028
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    I saw the threats and accusations on Jake’s site last week – I even posted here that he should address it.

    Jake – you can’t do an edit and then accuse another poster of making things up and needing medication. You’ll end up like those poor souls who have multiple identities on a single site in their bid to win arguments on a talkboard.

    Actually, before editing his post here, he said that it was because that I have ‘HIV dementia’ and nothing about medication. Falsely accusing someone of having HIV and/or disclosing a health diagnosis, true or not, is violation of several laws.

    I actually did copy his website with the intention of reporting it here: https://online.met.police.uk/

    But that feels a bit heavy handed, so I’ll just wait and see how things play out.

  • #116029
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    PS: I don’t even know who Gavin Greenway is.

  • #116030
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    I don’t know which is sillier, some of Jake’s posts, or the hysterical comments from people who complain that they’ve been forced to read them.

    I read what I want to read and think that putting people on a foe list is downright stupid. For Christ sake, we’re in cyberspace. It contains some useful information at times, but because of its nature it’s also home to an assortment of weirdoes writing nonsense.

    And I would like to point out to the heroes threatening fellow posters
    with the police that you can go to prison for the offence of ‘wasting police time’, and rightly so.

  • #116033
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    @Rocker wrote:

    For Christ sake, we’re in cyberspace. It contains some useful information at times, but because of its nature it’s also home to an assortment of weirdoes writing nonsense.

    That is why I prefer a more aggressively moderated blog. Maybe if people could confine their posts to the topics (even allowing for calling other posters “idiots” for their posts about the topic) this would be a better blog. And if someone wants to talk discuss sexy women, ugly women, the time they saw really big boobs, those awful homosexuals, etc, they can discuss those topics in ‘All Other Subjects’ section.

    As you seem to be offended because I am offended by death threats on someone’s blog linked here, please feel free to add me to your ignore list. Finally, while I’m sure that in your mind, prisons somewhere are overcrowded, bursting at the seams with people ‘wasting police time’, please know that it is only your imagination.

  • #116034
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    @garysfbcn wrote:

    @Rocker wrote:
    For Christ sake, we’re in cyberspace. It contains some useful information at times, but because of its nature it’s also home to an assortment of weirdoes writing nonsense.

    That is why I prefer a more aggressively moderated blog. Maybe if people could confine their posts to the topics (even allowing for calling other posters “idiots” for their posts about the topic) this would be a better blog. And if someone wants to talk discuss sexy women, ugly women, the time they saw really big boobs, those awful homosexuals, etc, they can discuss those topics in ‘All Other Subjects’ section.

    As you seem to be offended because I am offended by death threats on someone’s blog linked here, please feel free to add me to your ignore list. Finally, while I’m sure that in your mind, prisons somewhere are overcrowded, bursting at the seams with people ‘wasting police time’, please know that it is only your imagination.

    All this nonsense seems to originate from Jake writing that he doesn’t like poofs. I don’t agree with him but respect his right to say so.

    It’s a daft subject to start with, I’m straight, as far as I know, and don’t care if others indulge in a bit of gender bending, good luck to them.

    Why bang on about it? Nobody gives a shit.

  • #116035
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    @Rocker wrote:

    All this nonsense seems to originate from Jake writing that he doesn’t like poofs. I don’t agree with him but respect his right to say so.

    You keep saying that. No, that isn’t the problem AT ALL. In this topic thread, which was supposed to be about prices falling 15%, Jake posted about a Syrian woman. Nothing about homosexuality at all. Stay on topic, that’s all I’m asking. If you or Jake want to post something nasty about gays, put it in a new topic, in All Other Subjects. Ditto for what turns-on you or Jake about women, men, goats and other terribly frightened barnyard animals. 🙂

    There was a few times when I was about to refer an acquaintance to one of the topic threads here, but the threads degenerated into something 100% unrelated the topic and was somewhat disgusting so I decided that it was better that I don’t.

    Anyway, this isn’t my blog, but neither is it yours. But it is too bad that people are not forced to stay on topic.

  • #116037
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    @Rocker wrote:

    I don’t know which is sillier, some of Jake’s posts, or the hysterical comments from people who complain that they’ve been forced to read them.

    I read what I want to read and think that putting people on a foe list is downright stupid. For Christ sake, we’re in cyberspace. It contains some useful information at times, but because of its nature it’s also home to an assortment of weirdoes writing nonsense.

    And I would like to point out to the heroes threatening fellow posters
    with the police that you can go to prison for the offence of ‘wasting police time’, and rightly so.

    It is insufferable that you should that you should compare GaryBCN’s entirely justified and I would say remarkably restrained comments, to being as silly as this person Jakesuper.

    What was and has been said by that person, is repugnant in the extreme, and cyberspace is not something you should even remotely defend as being an acceptable forum.

    But then, you have recently made some intolerably mysoginistic and personal remarks to some others on this forum which also beggared belief. Rightly they seemed to have treated you with the contempt you deserve by ignoring you.

    As it happens I would think that the forum owner would be entirely justified in reporting that person to the police and would think he certainly has a case to answer, and it would be far from a waste of time.

    GaryBCN is one of the most moderate, open and informative posters on this forum, it isn’t the first time he has been vilely abused and I wish I had spoken up before and feel ashamed I did not, but you denigrating GaryBCN on the back of his reasoned response just takes the biscuit.

    It is you who are downright stupid and this more than anything demonstrates that completely.

    I have been beaten over, chewed up and knocked on my backside on this forum over many years, almost always fairly and within the ‘way of cyberspace’ and have no complaint, and now just read daily from the sidelines. Although I don’t read other forums, I find the level of intelligent and tough debate here very valuable, I think it is time to see that person be blocked and you along with him if you don’t see the grotesque error of judgement you just made.

    I won’t continue reading if Mark leaves that person on the forum, we can all accept the odd troll here and there but you and he go way too far here… Way too far!

    In the interim, GaryBCN am sure I would speak for 99.9% of forum posters and visitors in saying am horrified at the comments made, it just is too staggering for words really.

  • #116038
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    Aren’t you the guy from Viva’s? Please tell us you’re now a scriptwriter for Monty Python. You can turn hypocrisy on its head and probably believe what you write, but please just step back and consider.

    Deep down, I think you’re quite a funny guy.

  • #116040
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    I think that the President of Argentina by the name of “Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner” is probably one of the best looking women in the world:

    Kelly Brook is good looking too:

  • #116041
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    @Rocker wrote:

    Aren’t you the guy from Viva’s? Please tell us you’re now a scriptwriter for Monty Python. You can turn hypocrisy on its head and probably believe what you write, but please just step back and consider.

    Deep down, I think you’re quite a funny guy.

    Who I am is very clear and open. And I have said a number of things on this forum that I wish I hadn’t, we all make mistakes and some of us know how to apologise.

    What was said by Jakesuper to GaryBCN was vile in the extreme, and he is now trying to bury this thread and his words earlier in the post with re-edits plus these bizarre images and countless other posts today.

    The fact that he is supported by you finding his comments acceptable and comparing GaryBCN’s response to being just something as ‘silly’ is outrageous.

    Jakesuper is a grotesque, and sadly is going a long way to destroying this forum, which is sad for those of us who read and don’t much comment, but what he had to say personally was horrific and very serious.

    So shame on you once again, that you can’t even come up with even a half decent put down to my post is fine by me, but think what this all says about you really?

    I am not interested in JS per se, I think it is a mistake to feed the troll, but he really shouldn’t be on here any more, and nor should you.

  • #116042
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    Thanks Chris. Just as it is a mistake to feed Jake/Bruno (the troll), it is also a mistake to engage Rocker.

    Both are on my ignore list – I just have to remember to log-in. Jake’s jokes about HIV are slanderous (I Googled the medications he listed – they are used for HIV).

  • #116043
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    @garysfbcn wrote:

    Thanks Chris. Just as it is a mistake to feed Jake/Bruno (the troll), it is also a mistake to engage Rocker.

    Both are on my ignore list – I just have to remember to log-in. Jake’s jokes about HIV are slanderous (I Googled the medications he listed – they are used for HIV).

    You welcome Gary, I googled them last night also, and my jaw just hit the floor.

    But it is not right that the troll should be on here and his posts today prove that, they just destroy the forum, I have been quietly been following your experiences and journey to purchase over the past several years, its been really interesting to read all your posts.

    As it is from the dozen or so other regular posters, half of whom I used to have a right royal ding dong with, and lost the argument most of the time. I ran out of stuff to say, I had said it alll – so many times – I had to admit defeat and just shut up for a year or so.

    But, because of those mostly erudite regular contributors, and as difficult and painful as it is to read this forum sometimes (especially for someone like me who has been in the business of promoting Spain and property for some 24 years) I have to say this forum is actually a really good and very valuable resource.

    More power to you for being so – I don’t know what the word is – I can’t think of a good enough one to fit, but it shines through that your a really good guy and make a contribution I really value and am damn sure so do a lot of others, I can’t believe what occured in this thread really.

    But surely, enough already with JS, there’s only so much we can all take. What was said here was horrific and to be followed up by Rocker dismissing it as JS just not liking ‘poofs’ was I think the expression, was equally unconscionable.

    It’s a shame its a quiet day on the forum, am sure JS and Rocker would just like this thread to disappear now and not be picked up by other regulars, and I cannot think of there ever having been a time when I would have complained to the moderator – because it is just a web forum – but am sorry this kind of abuse can’t be passed over at all.

  • #116044
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    Chris, while you are using Google, try Bruno Powroznik. It is quite enlightening.

  • #116045
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    @garysfbcn wrote:

    Chris, while you are using Google, try Bruno Powroznik. It is quite enlightening.

    Yep, I see that, and I just hate the idea of rising to the bait and giving any level or semblance of credence to this guy at all, and I can’t quite believe I would complain to the moderator – it is just a web forum – I get that, but some stuff you just can’t let pass.

    Then also, when you look at the main page list of threads, you begin to wonder whose forum this is really and then sadly question the value of it, any right minded person reading what was posted yesterday will never come back if they don’t know the background.

    Arrgghhh, this site has effectively been hijacked, which in a weird way, from a commercial perspective I kind of should be happy about. But I am not.

    You keep posting Gary, again more power to you, but I can’t live with this sick individual anymore and if he is going to continue posting, then I have to give up really. And I hope the moderator Googles your comment on the above name, cos surely enough has to be enough really. I have emailed the moderator my views, will hang in there for a few days am sure am not alone here.

  • #116047
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    I have a quite not so fancy name for her. The botox bitch. She is killing her country with populistic drivel.

  • #116048
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    I find it sad to occasionally come across people who travel through life completely without humour, and in real life avoid them. I’m not in the least homophobic, but surely if someone comes on a property forum and goes on and on about his sexuality, which should be his private affair anyway, then someone is bound to retaliate as happened in this case.

    To write without humour is bad enough, followed closely by those who are boring and repetitive, their writing reads like they’ve got a spell check strapped to the backs.

    And I will reiterate what I said about the ignore function; what a ridiculous way to go through life, frightened to read what others may say about them, like little schoolboys covering their ears when admonished by their parents, spending their lives cowering in corners.

    If I start to read a book and find I don’t like the content, I stop reading. If the content is really bad I may even throw the book across the room, but not if my wife’s in the way. I did that with a Rushdie book once, and once, to my everlasting shame, with War and Peace. But they’re both back on my book shelves now.

  • #116049
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    I agree jake is killing the forum. I don’t agree with everyone but most people on here are decent and I respect their views. Beggars belief that he is allowed to continue on here, I wouldn’t allow him on my forum!

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    @Rocker wrote:

    I find it sad to occasionally come across people who travel through life completely without humour, and in real life avoid them. I’m not in the least homophobic, but surely if someone comes on a property forum and goes on and on about his sexuality, which should be his private affair anyway, then someone is bound to retaliate as happened in this case.

    To write without humour is bad enough, followed closely by those who are boring and repetitive, their writing reads like they’ve got a spell check strapped to the backs.

    .

    Gary doesn’t go “on and on” it was relevant to some of his posts. Also nice to get a bit of background to some posters. I think you protest too much…you are ant-gay..and sexist too!

  • #116052
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    Gary doesn’t go “on and on” it was relevant to some of his posts. Also nice to get a bit of background to some posters. I think you protest too much…you are ant-gay..and sexist too!

    Thanks Katy. He isn’t homophobic, but the disparaging word ‘poof’ rolls off his keyboard. Anyway, I’ve hidden the posts from Rocker and Bruno. And I agree, Bruno is killing this blog, especially for the uninformed.

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    @Rocker wrote:

    All this nonsense seems to originate from Jake writing that he doesn’t like poofs. I don’t agree with him but respect his right to say so.

    He has no right to say racist or homophobic comments or make death threats because its illegal.

    Gary, do us a favour and report him. Don’t worry about the deleted info, its all recorded.

    @katy wrote:

    . Beggars belief that he is allowed to continue on here, I wouldn’t allow him on my forum!

    Banned long ago from other forums.

    For this.

    There was a posting on You tube recently by an individual suggesting that he may turn up at a social function related to your website that is apparently taking place on 8th July 2008 in Glasshouse Street, London, W1.

    The person who posted this on You tube suggested that he would turn up with an AK47 assault rifle and cause problems.

    For your reassurance, police from West End Central Police Station have arrested and charged Bruno Powroznik in connection with this.

    Our assessment is that the risk level is LOW as it appears to be a misguided prank and that such an attack will not happen.

    If anyone has any concerns please telephone Detective Inspector Andy McDonald on 020 7321 8870

    http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=79766&view=findpost&p=1200383

  • #116055
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    Congratulations Chris and blooming well said 😛

    Gary makes good and significant posts on here and long may that continue, as do others also.

    Chris said ‘but then you have made some intolerably mysoginistic & personal remarks to some others on this forum which also beggared belief’ ‘Rightly they seemed to have treated you with the contempt you deserve by ignoring you’ That’s exactly what I do now Chris, you have clearly noticed their constant sniping even when one hasn’t posted for a while (there’s one above) which adds nothing to debate whatsoever. Have been surprised it’s allowed too.

    I can fully understand why some wish to post good things about Spain, especially if they nurse current depreciation in asset price, most of us do like and visit Spain, but these attacks often hijack threads and the Board in general. When they debate properly they post some good stuff. 🙄

  • #116058
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    I watched an old American film last night called The Mist. It was a bit of a daft film and I was watching it with one eye and my other eye was lost in a book I was reading. My wife was doing her accounts and I was keeping well out of the way.

    There was a scene in the film where a group of ordinary American shoppers were trapped in a shopping mall by monsters roaring away outside. A religious women nutcase whipped the trapped shoppers into a frenzied lynch mob and they killed an innocent American soldier trapped alongside them, before feeding him to the monsters outside.

    A group of goodies tried to stop the baddies from killing the soldier, but they were heavenly outnumbered by the frenzied lynch mob who had lost all sense of reasoning.

    The daft film reminded me of something.

  • #116073
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    I get it, Jake as the Crazy woman, Gary as the innocent set upon man and you the ignorant, frenzied mob?

  • #116085
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    Nice one, Peter. You reminded me that I didn’t say much about the monster outside. It was actually quite a good looking one, for monsters.

  • #116108
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    @mgspain wrote:

    I’ve just checked in after spending a few days in London to find a large picture of Kelly Brook and some rather strange posts.
    This forum is entertaining and odd all at the same time. 😕

    Hope it wasn’t too cold for you – not normally as bad as this. Last year we had 18C in early March.

  • #116110
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    Yep, How grass is always green on the other side.

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