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  • #52116
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    Hi

    I haven’t posted for a while as we have been very busy since arriving in Spain 5 weeks ago. All our anxiety was pre-completion and I just want to warn others of our experience after we moved in so you get to hear how things are once you take possession of your dream home.

    First of all we are disappointed with the specification (we bought off-plan so I guess it’s our own fault, we didn’t see what was being installed). I truly believe people get carried away with the thought of marble floors which would cost a fortune in the UK and then think the rest of the spec will be the same high quality.

    The place was full of dust when we arrived and we spent the first 3 weeks cleaning (it wouldn’t have been possible to have furniture delivered or for our own furniture to be brought in when we arrived).

    We have a very long snagging list which has been submitted through our solicitor to the developer. The builders are still on site, building Phase 2. We have an un-skilled odd-job man who comes to do minor repairs but we still have major items not being tackled and they are major, not-fit-for-purpose problems.

    The developer appointed a Secretary-Administrator to run the Management Company. The meeting was called back in June but only some people were notified and only 2 owners managed to attend. Decisions have been made and budgets have been set. We’ve had a crash course on Horizontal Law but it seems the Developer holds the majority as there are more unsold than sold houses so we could be out voted on any decisions we try to make. A maintenance/gardening budget for 36 houses is estimated at โ‚ฌ65,000 per annum excluding pool – for 2 maintenance personnel (what maintenance should there be on a new development! Don’t believe salaries are low and therefore your costs will be low, it would seem that’s not the case.

    We have been told our swimming pool is too deep at just over 1.4m and the developer may have to reduce the depth. We have also been told we need a Lifeguard (another huge cost) because the pool is of the size to require a guard. We suspect the outcome will find in the developers favour but we will have to have the lifeguard.

    We had half of the development experiencing electrical power surges which caused cables to burn marble, power sockets to spark, equipment and possessions to blow up. The developer blamed the electricity company and they blamed the developer. Compensation still to be resovled.

    We do not have post delivered and we do not have rubbish collected. People put their rubbish in their cars and take it to the nearest bin. We believe the developer won’t provide bins until the second phase is completed and we don’t get post because the developer hasn’t registered the development.

    Half the people here do not have air conditioners that work and if they are turned on they flood. The filters are supposed to be cleaned every 6 weeks but because of how they’ve been installed access is very difficult. Parts are on order but it’s taking weeks for them to arrive.

    We have uPVC doors with external grilles/bars. The door opens on the right, you then have to reach to open the catches on the other door and then you get to open the grille as they have been fitted on the opposite. Not great if your infirm, short, or a child and fleeing a fire.

    Well that’s my tale of woe. It feels better to have posted. I hope others read this and if you haven’t already bought in Spain or if you’re just about to complete – can take something from it.

    Allyson

  • #64599
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    Sorry to hear of all your hassles Allyson. Things can only get better by the sound of it ๐Ÿ™‚ .

    Weve been waiting three years to get our place and still no sign of it coming off. Not many seem to get a smooth run on moving in !!!!!

    Keep smiling and hope all your problems get sorted quickly.

    Axwhale

  • #64600
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    Retrospectively,we thank our lucky stars our apartment was never built.
    I really feel so sorry for you Allyson. I honestly do not know how the developers get away with what they do. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ I hope things do get better for you.
    Best wishes,
    Claire.

  • #64602
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    Dear allyson

    Clearly your story is distressing and I hope you don’t mind me offering my opinion and maybe some ideas.

    The word ‘luxury’ is very much over used in Spain and the show flats and artist impressions are of course always meant to impress the potential buyer. I have to say it is the same in the UK something I have first hand experience of, i.e. the builders of our home in the UK, not delivering the quality of product sold to us off plan (very large building firm by the way.) I don’t believe it to be your fault just because you bought off plan, but if expectations are high often there is always something to disappoint. The disappointment soon goes away once you’re in and settled, hopefully soon in your case.

    The builders should have done a builders clean for you, but again my experience that this is no more than ‘taking the thick up’ and we paid a cleaning company for a full builders clean (both in the UK and Spain)

    As for snagging, my advice would be to review your snagging list and take out all of the small ‘non important’ items telling the promoter that you will deal with these yourself. This should leave the ‘major, not-fit-for-purpose problems’ , by doing this you can stop the promoter from saying we ‘we have done most of the items on your list, whats your problem’ and I assume these ‘major, not-fit-for-purpose problems’ are things that you would not want to tackle or pay for. Hopefully then your solicitor can apply real pressure to get these done. I believe there is a legal way of getting these things done very quickly and cheaply (on your part legally.) I do not speak Spanish but I’m told this is the law in Spain and it is outlined here http://www.lexureditorial.com/leyes/loe8a05.htm

    Communities are normally setup by the promoter to get owners in to the apartments, I believe that water and electricity can not be connected without the community coming in to being. Our community was setup the same way. Clearly this will change once you have more real owners involved, and it maybe an idea to ask if you can be on the committee of owners now. I agree the budget for the gardens does seem high, our gardens are huge and there are 224 apartments, our budget for this year is โ‚ฌ126,000 (including maintenance of 3 pools). You are of course entitled to see the quotes or tenders for the contract to service your gardens and I would ask the President (the Promoter no doubt) to see them, just to make sure you are getting value for money. I would also ask the President to explain the maintenance workers costs as I agree with you this should not be needed at the moment. You will need one at some time in the future and again we (224 apartment and a large gated community) only have one handyman (budget โ‚ฌ30,000 including materials) who is kept busy but not pulled out with work. The swimming pools do need a life guard, most communities only pay for a life guard during the busy summer periods, in our case 15 June to 15 Sept we have two and the total cost is โ‚ฌ20,100. We get our life guards to make sure community rules are upheld around the pools during this period which goes someway to keeping the peace when someone tries to reserve sunbeds with towels etc.

    All of the service should kick in soon, including rubbish collection mail delivery etc and you should lobby your administrator/president to get these things sorted as quickly as possible.

    Stick with it allyson I am sure it will get better and next year you’ll look back (through the haze of a couple of glasses of cava) and hopefully laugh. I know a number of resident owners in our community (only 3 years old) who, after initial doubts, would not go back to the UK for anything.

    If i can be of any further help (remember my only qualifications is being a member of a committee for a community of owners) please don’t hesitate to ask.

    It will get better and Spain is a great place to be.

    Regards

    Paul

  • #64605
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    Paul, if I were Allyson, I would find your post comforting. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • #64613
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    ๐Ÿ˜ก

    Allyson, your story seems very familiar on the Costas.

    Too often these agents sell what appear to be luxury homes with marble etc often wonderful artist impressions too but in reality the finish, quality, and problems like snagging are not what was expected. Often the sites are much smaller and more crowded than the brochure pictures, yet thes homes are not cheap and in many cases as dear as in the UK.

    It’s clear cut mis-selling but they all get away with it and leave people to sort out the hassle and the post completion blues.

    Wish you luck though, it will look better when furnished nicely etc.

    Hindsight says ‘always keep a retention of money back to cover snagging etc’

  • #64617
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    Dear Allyson

    Sorry to hear of your story. However, it is not unexpected these days in Spain! ๐Ÿ™„

    I have a question for you: Where did you buy? what is the name of the development?

    If you feel for whatever reason you cannot post this info on the forum send me a pm.

    Maybe we have some helpful info in our archives to help you along. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    K

  • #64618
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    Dear Allyson

    Sorry to hear of your story. However, it is not unexpected these days in Spain! ๐Ÿ™„

    I have a question for you: Where did you buy? what is the name of the development?

    If you feel for whatever reason you cannot post this info on the forum send me a pm.

    Maybe we have some helpful info in our archives to help you along. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    K

  • #64815
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    Hi

    Thanks for your words of support – I know it will get better. I just wanted to warn people reading this of what to watch for. Often, you think things will be so inexpensive compared to the UK once you move in but considering lifeguards, community charge, rates etc. etc. I think I’d rather have Council Tax back! People on a pension or limited income should be aware.

    We are at La Corona, in Alcaidesa (near San Roque), Cadiz Province. The developer is Grupo Ojeda.

    Paul – I wouldn’t think it would be possible to complete without paying the full amount – i.e. keeping an amount back for the snagging? Often people want to move in asap (probably already had many months of delay, as we did) and can’t afford to play a waiting game over snagging.

    P800aul – thanks for your sound advice. I wanted to submit a list with every snag so they and our solicitors would see the extent of our issues. We have also asked for compensation for the problems. We upped the spec for marble throughout and this is missing in some of the rooms so there is a case for money back there. But I agree, take out the small things – which we are fixing ourselves and see how we get on.
    Thanks for the link.

    We are a development of 36 townhouses in Phase 1. Phase 2 (52 larger houses) won’t be finished for another 12 months minimum. Out of the 36, only 14 have completed and it doesn’t appear there are other sales in the pipeline. We have been told the developer will pay for the 24 unsold houses but the Secretary-Administrator has yet to received these funds despite our payments being taken in June.

    We have said we will not pay any more Community Charges until issues are resolved.

    Is it correct that until the development is formally handed over to us, the developer will pay or reimburse us for the community water, electricity, costs etc?

    Can we refuse the handover because of our individual snagging issues or only on communal problems?

    You said we will need a lifeguard. Is this mandatory for any pool in any development? We were informed there would be high fines for the Community for anyone swimming outside the lifeguard times.

    Many thanks to everyone.

    Kind regards.
    Allyson

  • #64647
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    Hi

    Thanks for your words of support – I know it will get better. I just wanted to warn people reading this of what to watch for. Often, you think things will be so inexpensive compared to the UK once you move in but considering lifeguards, community charge, rates etc. etc. I think I’d rather have Council Tax back! People on a pension or limited income should be aware.

    We are at La Corona, in Alcaidesa (near San Roque), Cadiz Province. The developer is Grupo Ojeda.

    Paul – I wouldn’t think it would be possible to complete without paying the full amount – i.e. keeping an amount back for the snagging? Often people want to move in asap (probably already had many months of delay, as we did) and can’t afford to play a waiting game over snagging.

    P800aul – thanks for your sound advice. I wanted to submit a list with every snag so they and our solicitors would see the extent of our issues. We have also asked for compensation for the problems. We upped the spec for marble throughout and this is missing in some of the rooms so there is a case for money back there. But I agree, take out the small things – which we are fixing ourselves and see how we get on.
    Thanks for the link.

    We are a development of 36 townhouses in Phase 1. Phase 2 (52 larger houses) won’t be finished for another 12 months minimum. Out of the 36, only 14 have completed and it doesn’t appear there are other sales in the pipeline. We have been told the developer will pay for the 24 unsold houses but the Secretary-Administrator has yet to received these funds despite our payments being taken in June.

    We have said we will not pay any more Community Charges until issues are resolved.

    Is it correct that until the development is formally handed over to us, the developer will pay or reimburse us for the community water, electricity, costs etc?

    Can we refuse the handover because of our individual snagging issues or only on communal problems?

    You said we will need a lifeguard. Is this mandatory for any pool in any development? We were informed there would be high fines for the Community for anyone swimming outside the lifeguard times.

    Many thanks to everyone.

    Kind regards.
    Allyson

  • #64817
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    Apparently there is a EU directive regarding community pools being enclosed,covered and possibly having a lifeguard. Due August 07.

  • #64648
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    Apparently there is a EU directive regarding community pools being enclosed,covered and possibly having a lifeguard. Due August 07.

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    Hola Melosine – do you have any more info. about the enclosure of community pools?
    I am going to try to make a case with our developer for our pool to be enclosed (safety for visiting children etc) Our Community President’s knowledge of issues like this is somewhat inadequate.

    Thanks

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    Hola Melosine – do you have any more info. about the enclosure of community pools?
    I am going to try to make a case with our developer for our pool to be enclosed (safety for visiting children etc) Our Community President’s knowledge of issues like this is somewhat inadequate.

    Thanks

  • #64825
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    Dear Allyson

    but the Secretary-Administrator has yet to received these funds despite our payments being taken in June

    This is what I think you will find, some of the ‘buy to sell on’ and the promoter will not pay community fees until just before an AGM (in the case of the buy to sell on not until legal action is started). The reson they pay just before is you can not vote at a AGM if you owe community fees. Legal action to collect unpaid community fees can only be started if the majority of owners at the AGM give the president the authority to do so, and guess what your president is the promoter.

    Is it correct that until the development is formally handed over to us, the developer will pay or reimburse us for the community water, electricity, costs etc?

    I don’t know and not the case with us.

    Can we refuse the handover because of our individual snagging issues or only on communal problems?

    Individual snagging is down to each owner, you will have owners that just don’t care (I know this sounds wrong but they are just investors) and some will care to the point of legal action. As for community snagging I would guess it depends of the severity of the problem, the promoter will always point to the ’10 year’ guarantee. We adopted the same policy I suggested for you and after getting the as much of the bits and pieces done we just demanded the main problems to be sorted. The promoter (believe it or not) wanted to say on for a further year as president to help with community snagging. I like to think that we (the rest of the committee) where strong and got much of the snagging done. Something he could not avoid with weekly committee meetings really ๐Ÿ™‚ As I said within a year you will have an AGM which I would suggest you attend, hopefully then there will be sufficient numbers of owners to form a committee. Even now I would approach the president and ask if there is a vice president and if not ask to be it, if not a vocal and ask to go to any meeting they might have. You will have little or no power but at least you can voice your opinion.

    Is this mandatory for any pool in any development?

    Over a certain size I believe it’s the law to have a lifeguard for the pools to be open. As I say all the communities i know of only have them when they know they are going to be busy. The rest of the time the pools are closed, that is owners are instructed not to use them ๐Ÿ˜‰ and if you do, you do so at your own risk. As for a high fine for ‘anyone’ swimming outside those times I haven’t got a clue but it is not what I’ve been led to believe. I will ask our administrator if they know this is the case.

    I hope this answers your points but ask again if not

    Regards

    Paul

  • #64652
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    Dear Allyson

    but the Secretary-Administrator has yet to received these funds despite our payments being taken in June

    This is what I think you will find, some of the ‘buy to sell on’ and the promoter will not pay community fees until just before an AGM (in the case of the buy to sell on not until legal action is started). The reson they pay just before is you can not vote at a AGM if you owe community fees. Legal action to collect unpaid community fees can only be started if the majority of owners at the AGM give the president the authority to do so, and guess what your president is the promoter.

    Is it correct that until the development is formally handed over to us, the developer will pay or reimburse us for the community water, electricity, costs etc?

    I don’t know and not the case with us.

    Can we refuse the handover because of our individual snagging issues or only on communal problems?

    Individual snagging is down to each owner, you will have owners that just don’t care (I know this sounds wrong but they are just investors) and some will care to the point of legal action. As for community snagging I would guess it depends of the severity of the problem, the promoter will always point to the ’10 year’ guarantee. We adopted the same policy I suggested for you and after getting the as much of the bits and pieces done we just demanded the main problems to be sorted. The promoter (believe it or not) wanted to say on for a further year as president to help with community snagging. I like to think that we (the rest of the committee) where strong and got much of the snagging done. Something he could not avoid with weekly committee meetings really ๐Ÿ™‚ As I said within a year you will have an AGM which I would suggest you attend, hopefully then there will be sufficient numbers of owners to form a committee. Even now I would approach the president and ask if there is a vice president and if not ask to be it, if not a vocal and ask to go to any meeting they might have. You will have little or no power but at least you can voice your opinion.

    Is this mandatory for any pool in any development?

    Over a certain size I believe it’s the law to have a lifeguard for the pools to be open. As I say all the communities i know of only have them when they know they are going to be busy. The rest of the time the pools are closed, that is owners are instructed not to use them ๐Ÿ˜‰ and if you do, you do so at your own risk. As for a high fine for ‘anyone’ swimming outside those times I haven’t got a clue but it is not what I’ve been led to believe. I will ask our administrator if they know this is the case.

    I hope this answers your points but ask again if not

    Regards

    Paul

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    Hola OliverB

    I did find a web site a year ago because there was a massive debate about it on another forum. Unfortunately this particular web site is now`defunct !! and try as I might I can now only locate regs appertaining to health and safety on contamination on water in pools.

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    Found this EU reg on swimming pools;

    http://www.icphso.org/pdf/07%20Alve%20Nilsson.pdf

    It states no regulations for fencing pools at moment within the EU EEA member states. Voluntary only.
    However this could be out of date.

    ………………………………………………………………………………….

    The reason I sought the info out was because it was a “dealer in swimming pool equipement “who first brought this to people’ attention and I never believe anything unless I can authenticate it.
    However France apparently have embraced these issues and although only a “directive” it is only matter of time as they are, for once , sensible rules . Also queried it with the architect for our build who stated this would be happening in the near future.

    This is the posting that caused a massive furore

    In reply to questions concerning fences and domes around domestic pools.
    As with most swimming pool regulations and standards most are taken from California USA regulations Fences barriers are now law in many countries due to the high death rate of children drowning in domestic pools. Last year the USA reported over 3000 deaths of children under 5 years old.
    Many people are not aware that Andalucia as with all regions in Spain have very strict laws governing all swimming pools. With all laws and regulations, ignorance of the law is not an excuse for not abiding by the law. You have a duty to protect others while on your property and swimming pools are no exception.

    Here is a copy of a reply from the same site;

    I have spoken to a colleague of mine in my law practice in the uk (im a land/property barrister).
    He has spoken with brussels on my behalf.
    As of 01/08/2007 a new law will be passed. If you have a pool it must be fenced in with a child proof lock on the inside. It gets worse.
    You will also have to display a sign on the gate in Spanish, English and German with ‘PRIVADO’. You will also have to display a sign which indicates no running, no diving, no glass containers and no food. It has to be red writing on a white background.
    You will also have to notify your insurance company and then send them proof that the work has been carried out.

    My colleague also stated that the policia local will attend to inspect the work, if it is ok they will sign it off. If they are not happy they will have power to enforce you to drain your pool, affix your cover and effectively put a restraining order on refilling till the work is completed.

    Believe private homes are exempted providing property as a whole is securely enclosed

  • #64653
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    Hola OliverB

    I did find a web site a year ago because there was a massive debate about it on another forum. Unfortunately this particular web site is now`defunct !! and try as I might I can now only locate regs appertaining to health and safety on contamination on water in pools.

    Posts: 134
    Location: Murcia
    Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject:



    Found this EU reg on swimming pools;

    http://www.icphso.org/pdf/07%20Alve%20Nilsson.pdf

    It states no regulations for fencing pools at moment within the EU EEA member states. Voluntary only.
    However this could be out of date.

    ………………………………………………………………………………….

    The reason I sought the info out was because it was a “dealer in swimming pool equipement “who first brought this to people’ attention and I never believe anything unless I can authenticate it.
    However France apparently have embraced these issues and although only a “directive” it is only matter of time as they are, for once , sensible rules . Also queried it with the architect for our build who stated this would be happening in the near future.

    This is the posting that caused a massive furore

    In reply to questions concerning fences and domes around domestic pools.
    As with most swimming pool regulations and standards most are taken from California USA regulations Fences barriers are now law in many countries due to the high death rate of children drowning in domestic pools. Last year the USA reported over 3000 deaths of children under 5 years old.
    Many people are not aware that Andalucia as with all regions in Spain have very strict laws governing all swimming pools. With all laws and regulations, ignorance of the law is not an excuse for not abiding by the law. You have a duty to protect others while on your property and swimming pools are no exception.

    Here is a copy of a reply from the same site;

    I have spoken to a colleague of mine in my law practice in the uk (im a land/property barrister).
    He has spoken with brussels on my behalf.
    As of 01/08/2007 a new law will be passed. If you have a pool it must be fenced in with a child proof lock on the inside. It gets worse.
    You will also have to display a sign on the gate in Spanish, English and German with ‘PRIVADO’. You will also have to display a sign which indicates no running, no diving, no glass containers and no food. It has to be red writing on a white background.
    You will also have to notify your insurance company and then send them proof that the work has been carried out.

    My colleague also stated that the policia local will attend to inspect the work, if it is ok they will sign it off. If they are not happy they will have power to enforce you to drain your pool, affix your cover and effectively put a restraining order on refilling till the work is completed.

    Believe private homes are exempted providing property as a whole is securely enclosed

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    Check out

    http://www.andalucia.com/forums/viewtopic.php? … egulations.

    There is a link to the regs. but no longer works, perhaps you can highlight again on that forum.

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    Check out

    http://www.andalucia.com/forums/viewtopic.php? … egulations.

    There is a link to the regs. but no longer works, perhaps you can highlight again on that forum.

  • #64837
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    Dear All,

    What an utter farce all this stuff emanating from Brussels about swimming pools. I thought we were responsible for our actions. Now it seems the penpushers at all levels of government have decided that “rights” are more important than “responsibilities”. It is blindingly obvious that young children should not be allowed to use a pool without adult supervision.Instead of building hideous walls, how about parents taking responsibility for their children! But maybe that’s just too radical an idea for the “jobsworths” in Brussels!!! I think we all know that “hot water” can burn your hands or, if you “do not mind the step”, you’ll come a cropper!!! I am looking to do another tourism project including a “Feature Pool” but wonder just how feasible that will now be? Sorry about this rant but surely it’s about time the sensible majority made their voice heard…WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF PENSION PROTECTED BUREAUCRATS INTERFERING IN OUR LIFES. Why don’t they just “back off” ,trip over one of their EU imposed pool fences and spoil their “Sunday Best”!!!!!

    James

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    Dear All,

    What an utter farce all this stuff emanating from Brussels about swimming pools. I thought we were responsible for our actions. Now it seems the penpushers at all levels of government have decided that “rights” are more important than “responsibilities”. It is blindingly obvious that young children should not be allowed to use a pool without adult supervision.Instead of building hideous walls, how about parents taking responsibility for their children! But maybe that’s just too radical an idea for the “jobsworths” in Brussels!!! I think we all know that “hot water” can burn your hands or, if you “do not mind the step”, you’ll come a cropper!!! I am looking to do another tourism project including a “Feature Pool” but wonder just how feasible that will now be? Sorry about this rant but surely it’s about time the sensible majority made their voice heard…WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF PENSION PROTECTED BUREAUCRATS INTERFERING IN OUR LIFES. Why don’t they just “back off” ,trip over one of their EU imposed pool fences and spoil their “Sunday Best”!!!!!

    James

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    how about parents taking responsibility for their children!

    We are of topic again but, and while I agree about the fencing maybe being an additional burden, sadly many parents do not take their responsibilities seriously. An example from our community last year was a child jumping off a high water fall in to a pool. After being told nicely by an owner not to do this for his own safety, and for the safety of the owners own younger children in the pool, he ignored the request. In addition the child’s grandfather after confronting the owner with a stream of abuse, proceeded to climb the waterfall and jump in himself, to confirm that this behavior is acceptable. We now call the police if this type of thing happens. Children of all ages are left to ‘play’ around the pools without supervison and I do wonder if a fence of any discription will stop this happening.

    I do recall a news story not so long ago about a child who let himself out of his parents apartment, while they where sleeping, and was found latter dead in a pool. For this reason I can see a some point to a fence, again dependant on the childs age and his/her ability to open a gate.

    just my 2p

    Regards

    Paul

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    how about parents taking responsibility for their children!

    We are of topic again but, and while I agree about the fencing maybe being an additional burden, sadly many parents do not take their responsibilities seriously. An example from our community last year was a child jumping off a high water fall in to a pool. After being told nicely by an owner not to do this for his own safety, and for the safety of the owners own younger children in the pool, he ignored the request. In addition the child’s grandfather after confronting the owner with a stream of abuse, proceeded to climb the waterfall and jump in himself, to confirm that this behavior is acceptable. We now call the police if this type of thing happens. Children of all ages are left to ‘play’ around the pools without supervison and I do wonder if a fence of any discription will stop this happening.

    I do recall a news story not so long ago about a child who let himself out of his parents apartment, while they where sleeping, and was found latter dead in a pool. For this reason I can see a some point to a fence, again dependant on the childs age and his/her ability to open a gate.

    just my 2p

    Regards

    Paul

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    Allyson, when I mentioned retention of monies re snagging, I understand a good lawyer can or would do this now because they are aware of such problems, so it is up to the purchaser to ask for it I think.

    In future, if I wanted to purchase anywhere else abroad I would insist on such a clause to cover this in the contract, and if this wasn’t agreed I would not proceed. But this is with hindsight based on my own bad experiences, and, I would not have gone on the blooming agent’s inspection trip in the 1st place. I rue the day Awful were waiting at the airport instead of the other agent who didn’t get there, Chris Mac’s firm!

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    ๐Ÿ˜•

    Allyson, when I mentioned retention of monies re snagging, I understand a good lawyer can or would do this now because they are aware of such problems, so it is up to the purchaser to ask for it I think.

    In future, if I wanted to purchase anywhere else abroad I would insist on such a clause to cover this in the contract, and if this wasn’t agreed I would not proceed. But this is with hindsight based on my own bad experiences, and, I would not have gone on the blooming agent’s inspection trip in the 1st place. I rue the day Awful were waiting at the airport instead of the other agent who didn’t get there, Chris Mac’s firm!

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    Update re the pool. Our Secretary-Administrator confirmed (as we expected) that the developer does not have to alter the depth of the pool as it is legal from the floor of the pool to the water level. However, we do have to employ a lifeguard. Fortunately, one of our Owners speaks Spanish so we will approach the Sanitary Department at Cadiz and ask them for written rules and regs regarding granting a Pool Licence. It may be possible to build a platform in the middle of the pool to reduced the surface area but I suspect we will have to have a Lifeguard for other reasons (size of community etc).

    I’ll keep you posted.

    โ‚ฌ1200 a month for a 9 hour day – does that seem about right. Are there extras on top – bonus, contributions, sick pay etc. etc?

    Thanks.
    Allyson

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    Update re the pool. Our Secretary-Administrator confirmed (as we expected) that the developer does not have to alter the depth of the pool as it is legal from the floor of the pool to the water level. However, we do have to employ a lifeguard. Fortunately, one of our Owners speaks Spanish so we will approach the Sanitary Department at Cadiz and ask them for written rules and regs regarding granting a Pool Licence. It may be possible to build a platform in the middle of the pool to reduced the surface area but I suspect we will have to have a Lifeguard for other reasons (size of community etc).

    I’ll keep you posted.

    โ‚ฌ1200 a month for a 9 hour day – does that seem about right. Are there extras on top – bonus, contributions, sick pay etc. etc?

    Thanks.
    Allyson

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    Hi Allyson

    1200 seems like good value and if your administrator is employing them there should be no extras. The way it works here is we have two guards and these seem to come from a pool (sorry about the pun) of guards so when one is sick s/he is covered. I asked our administrators if they had ever heard of police ordering the pool drained and closed if guards where not present and people where swimming and they had not.

    Regards

    Paul

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    Hi Allyson

    1200 seems like good value and if your administrator is employing them there should be no extras. The way it works here is we have two guards and these seem to come from a pool (sorry about the pun) of guards so when one is sick s/he is covered. I asked our administrators if they had ever heard of police ordering the pool drained and closed if guards where not present and people where swimming and they had not.

    Regards

    Paul

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