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  • #55079
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    The secretary of AULAN (property abuse association in Almería) received the following letter from the UK:
    ‘Just to let you know that the two television programs about planning problems in Spain have had a huge impact here in England. Everybody is talking about them and are scandalised that this could happen in an EEC country. All the golfers, people at the gym, hairdressers, all the builders at the house etc etc etc. We didn’t have the chance to see the programs… but we didn’t need to… we have heard all the details. Best of luck with the campaign’.
    See http://www.theentertaineronline.com.

  • #92995
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    There are those who would now like only good/positive things to be written on SPI about Spain (to continue with the negative side is apparently “bitching”….. 🙄 ).

    Long may programmes like this continue as they expose the on-going problems that still blight the purchasing process in Spain.
    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum. If they give a warning to just one unsuspecting purchaser, it will be worth it.

  • #92827
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    There are those who would now like only good/positive things to be written on SPI about Spain (to continue with the negative side is apparently “bitching”….. 🙄 ).

    Long may programmes like this continue as they expose the on-going problems that still blight the purchasing process in Spain.
    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum. If they give a warning to just one unsuspecting purchaser, it will be worth it.

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    “http://www.eyeonspain.com/blogs/spainuncut/1729/free-pdf-report—the-truth-behind-itv-spain-paradise-lost.aspx

    Eye on Spain reviews of the show are pretty balanced.”

    True, some of the reviewers are completely blind, some have vested interest in not talking badly about Spain, some acknowledge to have left the brains in the plane, some are living in illegal houses and some have simply lost the money.

    Very good balance indeed. LOL

  • #92842
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    “http://www.eyeonspain.com/blogs/spainuncut/1729/free-pdf-report—the-truth-behind-itv-spain-paradise-lost.aspx

    Eye on Spain reviews of the show are pretty balanced.”

    True, some of the reviewers are completely blind, some have vested interest in not talking badly about Spain, some acknowledge to have left the brains in the plane, some are living in illegal houses and some have simply lost the money.

    Very good balance indeed. LOL

  • #93026
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    I wonder what would happen if all the people who have purchased happily in Spain or enjoy life here all started to post on this forum. Do you think you would be able to find the posts from those who have had bad experiences. How many expats in Spain? Are they ALL angry and hate Spain?

    I am very much in favour of people expressing opinions and writing about bad experiences if it is going to help other people avoid the pitfalls abd being ripped off but it seems to me that such posts here are from that.

    They force opinions down peoples throats, jump all over anyone that actually has any positive things to say about Spain and most are just outright rude and abusive.

    Debate is good so long as points are put across in a constructive manner.

    Saying things like ‘spain is full of crooks and the entire goverment are corrupt ‘ or words to that effect help nobody. Fine tell us your story, warn others and answer questions anyone has about it on the forum. THAT is being helpful.

  • #92843
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    I wonder what would happen if all the people who have purchased happily in Spain or enjoy life here all started to post on this forum. Do you think you would be able to find the posts from those who have had bad experiences. How many expats in Spain? Are they ALL angry and hate Spain?

    I am very much in favour of people expressing opinions and writing about bad experiences if it is going to help other people avoid the pitfalls abd being ripped off but it seems to me that such posts here are from that.

    They force opinions down peoples throats, jump all over anyone that actually has any positive things to say about Spain and most are just outright rude and abusive.

    Debate is good so long as points are put across in a constructive manner.

    Saying things like ‘spain is full of crooks and the entire goverment are corrupt ‘ or words to that effect help nobody. Fine tell us your story, warn others and answer questions anyone has about it on the forum. THAT is being helpful.

  • #93028
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    I have had good experiences in Spain. Bought and sold many times. Probably a case of there for the grace of God go I. For many people I know it hasn’t worked out the same way. I would say in your own words that Spain is full of crooks and the entire Government is corrupt is correct

  • #92844
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    I have had good experiences in Spain. Bought and sold many times. Probably a case of there for the grace of God go I. For many people I know it hasn’t worked out the same way. I would say in your own words that Spain is full of crooks and the entire Government is corrupt is correct

  • #93030
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    @pj wrote:

    I wonder what would happen if all the people who have purchased happily in Spain or enjoy life here all started to post on this forum.

    That would be funny, do you think you could arrange that? I would pay money

  • #92845
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    @pj wrote:

    I wonder what would happen if all the people who have purchased happily in Spain or enjoy life here all started to post on this forum.

    That would be funny, do you think you could arrange that? I would pay money

  • #93035
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    @pj wrote:

    They force opinions down peoples throats, jump all over anyone that actually has any positive things to say about Spain and most are just outright rude and abusive.

    Hi PJ –
    I see where you are coming from in your post but your opinion is very much from one side of the fence.
    Have you not seen, especially recently, how we have to suffer sometimes the most revolting abuse – being called on a regular basis names like idiots, morons, brains left behind etc. etc. We’re even mocked for our ‘stupidity’ at being conned. I feel your post would have been better if it mentioned both sides when it comes to rudeness and abuse – it works two ways.

    At least when we ‘have a go’, our words are usually aimed at the corrupt officials, developers, lawyers etc. and not at members.
    The only time we respond directly to members in a negative way are when they initiate a ‘negative’ debate with name-calling.

    Do you not find the likes of Hinge and Thornton “outright rude and abusive” to quote your words? This is why I treated Hinge’s thread with the contempt it deserved. I was surprised you didn’t give them a mention or are you too ensconsed on your side of the fence?

    As for the happy bunnies not posting here, this has been discussed in the past many times before. It’s just fact that the majority have no need to waste all those sunny days on forums if they have no problems to contend with.

  • #92848
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    @pj wrote:

    They force opinions down peoples throats, jump all over anyone that actually has any positive things to say about Spain and most are just outright rude and abusive.

    Hi PJ –
    I see where you are coming from in your post but your opinion is very much from one side of the fence.
    Have you not seen, especially recently, how we have to suffer sometimes the most revolting abuse – being called on a regular basis names like idiots, morons, brains left behind etc. etc. We’re even mocked for our ‘stupidity’ at being conned. I feel your post would have been better if it mentioned both sides when it comes to rudeness and abuse – it works two ways.

    At least when we ‘have a go’, our words are usually aimed at the corrupt officials, developers, lawyers etc. and not at members.
    The only time we respond directly to members in a negative way are when they initiate a ‘negative’ debate with name-calling.

    Do you not find the likes of Hinge and Thornton “outright rude and abusive” to quote your words? This is why I treated Hinge’s thread with the contempt it deserved. I was surprised you didn’t give them a mention or are you too ensconsed on your side of the fence?

    As for the happy bunnies not posting here, this has been discussed in the past many times before. It’s just fact that the majority have no need to waste all those sunny days on forums if they have no problems to contend with.

  • #93037
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    @charlie wrote:

    @pj wrote:
    They force opinions down peoples throats, jump all over anyone that actually has any positive things to say about Spain and most are just outright rude and abusive.

    Hi PJ –
    I see where you are coming from in your post but your opinion is very much from one side of the fence.
    Have you not seen, especially recently, how we have to suffer sometimes the most revolting abuse – being called on a regular basis names like idiots, morons, brains left behind etc. etc. We’re even mocked for our ‘stupidity’ at being conned. I feel your post would have been better if it mentioned both sides when it comes to rudeness and abuse – it works two ways.

    At least when we ‘have a go’, our words are usually aimed at the corrupt officials, developers, lawyers etc. and not at members.
    The only time we respond directly to members in a negative way are when they initiate a ‘negative’ debate with name-calling.

    Do you not find the likes of Hinge and Thornton “outright rude and abusive” to quote your words? This is why I treated Hinge’s thread with the contempt it deserved. I was surprised you didn’t give them a mention or are you too ensconsed on your side of the fence?

    As for the happy bunnies not posting here, this has been discussed in the past many times before. It’s just fact that the majority have no need to waste all those sunny days on forums if they have no problems to contend with.

    Any thoughts on Paradise Lost 😆 ?.

  • #92849
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    @charlie wrote:

    @pj wrote:
    They force opinions down peoples throats, jump all over anyone that actually has any positive things to say about Spain and most are just outright rude and abusive.

    Hi PJ –
    I see where you are coming from in your post but your opinion is very much from one side of the fence.
    Have you not seen, especially recently, how we have to suffer sometimes the most revolting abuse – being called on a regular basis names like idiots, morons, brains left behind etc. etc. We’re even mocked for our ‘stupidity’ at being conned. I feel your post would have been better if it mentioned both sides when it comes to rudeness and abuse – it works two ways.

    At least when we ‘have a go’, our words are usually aimed at the corrupt officials, developers, lawyers etc. and not at members.
    The only time we respond directly to members in a negative way are when they initiate a ‘negative’ debate with name-calling.

    Do you not find the likes of Hinge and Thornton “outright rude and abusive” to quote your words? This is why I treated Hinge’s thread with the contempt it deserved. I was surprised you didn’t give them a mention or are you too ensconsed on your side of the fence?

    As for the happy bunnies not posting here, this has been discussed in the past many times before. It’s just fact that the majority have no need to waste all those sunny days on forums if they have no problems to contend with.

    Any thoughts on Paradise Lost 😆 ?.

  • #93039
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    Yes, I’ve already written them (see above), but for your benefit as you obviously suffer from short-term memory loss I’ll repeat them:

    Charlie wrote above:
    “There are those who would now like only good/positive things to be written on SPI about Spain (to continue with the negative side is apparently “bitching”….. ).

    Long may programmes like this continue as they expose the on-going problems that still blight the purchasing process in Spain.
    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum. If they give a warning to just one unsuspecting purchaser, it will be worth it.

    @Mary Hinge to Carosfella wrote:

    Wow, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately 120 words and said absolutely nothing of note.

    Still waiting for something “of note” in your case but not holding my breath.

  • #92850
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    Yes, I’ve already written them (see above), but for your benefit as you obviously suffer from short-term memory loss I’ll repeat them:

    Charlie wrote above:
    “There are those who would now like only good/positive things to be written on SPI about Spain (to continue with the negative side is apparently “bitching”….. ).

    Long may programmes like this continue as they expose the on-going problems that still blight the purchasing process in Spain.
    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum. If they give a warning to just one unsuspecting purchaser, it will be worth it.

    @Mary Hinge to Carosfella wrote:

    Wow, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately 120 words and said absolutely nothing of note.

    Still waiting for something “of note” in your case but not holding my breath.

  • #93041
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    charlie

    it amazes me that very same problems we suffered years ago, before it was all out in the open like lies, cheating, corruption deception at all levels, problems with BG’s etc, are still happening!! Sadly, far from learning the lesson, little seems to be done in Spain to put it right, so sadly ‘Paradise Lost’ is still relevant. I think some would rather we didn’t keep banging the same drum, and negative programmes wouldn’t be made but as that’s the reality and the dangers are still there, then like you say, far better that people are warned.

  • #92851
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    charlie

    it amazes me that very same problems we suffered years ago, before it was all out in the open like lies, cheating, corruption deception at all levels, problems with BG’s etc, are still happening!! Sadly, far from learning the lesson, little seems to be done in Spain to put it right, so sadly ‘Paradise Lost’ is still relevant. I think some would rather we didn’t keep banging the same drum, and negative programmes wouldn’t be made but as that’s the reality and the dangers are still there, then like you say, far better that people are warned.

  • #93042
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    @charlie wrote:

    Yes, I’ve already written them (see above), but for your benefit as you obviously suffer from short-term memory loss I’ll repeat them:

    Charlie wrote above:
    “There are those who would now like only good/positive things to be written on SPI about Spain (to continue with the negative side is apparently “bitching”….. ).

    Long may programmes like this continue as they expose the on-going problems that still blight the purchasing process in Spain.
    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum. If they give a warning to just one unsuspecting purchaser, it will be worth it.

    @Mary Hinge to Carosfella wrote:

    Wow, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately 120 words and said absolutely nothing of note.

    Still waiting for something “of note” in your case but not holding my breath.

    Its simple, these sort of programs feed on the mood of the day, when the boom came along it was all A Place in the Sun, when its bust its this sort of rubbish.

    Whats the point highlighting the pitfalls 2-5 years late?.

    The programs are poor, Rusty and Nail were never going to make much of the bar/restaurant, it took 2.5 years for the previous seller to get rid and they had no experience of this sort of thing and no capital to back it.

    The hairdressor story was a nothing, it showed only Marbella had a bit of money, although he actually appeared to have a ‘head on his shoulders 😉 ‘, even he said on opening day he expected it to be busy and you couldn’t draw any conclusions. It was a glossy story of someone making a go of it, but a ‘high class’ hairdressors on the opening day in Marbella is hardly representative of Spanish businesses in a recession is it?.

    The lady flogging the top end property was just glossy dreamy stuff, sort of a Hello magazine for the Marbella property market, a bit of fun, but of no real substance to the average person/buyer.

    The illegal build story was better, but again focussed on the people too much not the scale of the problem, although it did mention only one property had been actually been demolished (thats what i’m pretty sure they said), that said, it would have been perhaps been better to forcus the wider scale of the problem and all the parties involved and how it came about, instead it micro analysing the problem from a single persons point of view, see him sit at his computer and walk about arranging a march, ok nothing wrong a ‘person story’, but it failed to highlight the whole problem and extent of it.

    Do you see how I did that, charlie?.

  • #92852
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    @charlie wrote:

    Yes, I’ve already written them (see above), but for your benefit as you obviously suffer from short-term memory loss I’ll repeat them:

    Charlie wrote above:
    “There are those who would now like only good/positive things to be written on SPI about Spain (to continue with the negative side is apparently “bitching”….. ).

    Long may programmes like this continue as they expose the on-going problems that still blight the purchasing process in Spain.
    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum. If they give a warning to just one unsuspecting purchaser, it will be worth it.

    @Mary Hinge to Carosfella wrote:

    Wow, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately 120 words and said absolutely nothing of note.

    Still waiting for something “of note” in your case but not holding my breath.

    Its simple, these sort of programs feed on the mood of the day, when the boom came along it was all A Place in the Sun, when its bust its this sort of rubbish.

    Whats the point highlighting the pitfalls 2-5 years late?.

    The programs are poor, Rusty and Nail were never going to make much of the bar/restaurant, it took 2.5 years for the previous seller to get rid and they had no experience of this sort of thing and no capital to back it.

    The hairdressor story was a nothing, it showed only Marbella had a bit of money, although he actually appeared to have a ‘head on his shoulders 😉 ‘, even he said on opening day he expected it to be busy and you couldn’t draw any conclusions. It was a glossy story of someone making a go of it, but a ‘high class’ hairdressors on the opening day in Marbella is hardly representative of Spanish businesses in a recession is it?.

    The lady flogging the top end property was just glossy dreamy stuff, sort of a Hello magazine for the Marbella property market, a bit of fun, but of no real substance to the average person/buyer.

    The illegal build story was better, but again focussed on the people too much not the scale of the problem, although it did mention only one property had been actually been demolished (thats what i’m pretty sure they said), that said, it would have been perhaps been better to forcus the wider scale of the problem and all the parties involved and how it came about, instead it micro analysing the problem from a single persons point of view, see him sit at his computer and walk about arranging a march, ok nothing wrong a ‘person story’, but it failed to highlight the whole problem and extent of it.

    Do you see how I did that, charlie?.

  • #93044
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    Wow Mary, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately *** words and said absolutely nothing of note…..

    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    Whats the point highlighting the pitfalls 2-5 years late?.

    Concentrate now Mary, Goodstich has already given you the answer to that one:
    “it amazes me that very same problems we suffered years ago, before it was all out in the open like lies, cheating, corruption deception at all levels, problems with BG’s etc, are still happening“!!

  • #92853
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    Wow Mary, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately *** words and said absolutely nothing of note…..

    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    Whats the point highlighting the pitfalls 2-5 years late?.

    Concentrate now Mary, Goodstich has already given you the answer to that one:
    “it amazes me that very same problems we suffered years ago, before it was all out in the open like lies, cheating, corruption deception at all levels, problems with BG’s etc, are still happening“!!

  • #93046
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    @charlie wrote:

    Wow Mary, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately *** words and said absolutely nothing of note…..

    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    Whats the point highlighting the pitfalls 2-5 years late?.

    Concentrate now Mary, Goodstich has already given you the answer to that one:
    “it amazes me that very same problems we suffered years ago, before it was all out in the open like lies, cheating, corruption deception at all levels, problems with BG’s etc, are still happening“!!

    There’s practically no buyers in market, of course where there’s a Wally or a Charlie, people will always be there to take their money, Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware, do your own research etc.

    It’s one thing to have a bad experience , but it doesn’t qualify you in something, otherwise i’d have a degree in playing football for Man Utd, equally not doing something has no award, otherwise I would be the greatest Astronaut in the world, as I wasn’t on the Challenger shuttle that blew up.

  • #92854
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    @charlie wrote:

    Wow Mary, you wrote an overly long paragraph containing approximately *** words and said absolutely nothing of note…..

    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    Whats the point highlighting the pitfalls 2-5 years late?.

    Concentrate now Mary, Goodstich has already given you the answer to that one:
    “it amazes me that very same problems we suffered years ago, before it was all out in the open like lies, cheating, corruption deception at all levels, problems with BG’s etc, are still happening“!!

    There’s practically no buyers in market, of course where there’s a Wally or a Charlie, people will always be there to take their money, Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware, do your own research etc.

    It’s one thing to have a bad experience , but it doesn’t qualify you in something, otherwise i’d have a degree in playing football for Man Utd, equally not doing something has no award, otherwise I would be the greatest Astronaut in the world, as I wasn’t on the Challenger shuttle that blew up.

  • #93048
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    It seems you’ve missed the point of this thread.

    Long may programmes like this continue ……

    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum.

    With people more aware of what is going on, the sharks hopefully won’t be able take advantage as in the past.

    I’ve heard Polaris World and Bulgaria are full of Wallies.

  • #92855
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    It seems you’ve missed the point of this thread.

    Long may programmes like this continue ……

    And long may these programmes be publicised on this forum.

    With people more aware of what is going on, the sharks hopefully won’t be able take advantage as in the past.

    I’ve heard Polaris World and Bulgaria are full of Wallies.

  • #93049
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    @charlie wrote:

    I’ve heard Polaris World and Bulgaria are full of Wallies.

    Thanks for the Insight 😉 .

  • #92856
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    @charlie wrote:

    I’ve heard Polaris World and Bulgaria are full of Wallies.

    Thanks for the Insight 😉 .

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    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    There’s practically no buyers in market
    .

    This I perfectly agree with you.

    The show addressed some issue (Spanish property) which seems to be of zero interest at the moment.

    This is why it is difficult to discuss anything concrete about the current property market in Spain, there is nobody buying and nobody selling, just people playing with
    high figures (sellers) or low figures (buyers). There might be some lucky/rushed
    bargain hunters here or there but they are exception.

    I myself decided to concentrate my Spanish holiday on relaxing and not on property searching. 2010 will be a better year for buyers.

  • #92857
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    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    There’s practically no buyers in market
    .

    This I perfectly agree with you.

    The show addressed some issue (Spanish property) which seems to be of zero interest at the moment.

    This is why it is difficult to discuss anything concrete about the current property market in Spain, there is nobody buying and nobody selling, just people playing with
    high figures (sellers) or low figures (buyers). There might be some lucky/rushed
    bargain hunters here or there but they are exception.

    I myself decided to concentrate my Spanish holiday on relaxing and not on property searching. 2010 will be a better year for buyers.

  • #93053
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    @charlie wrote:

    With people more aware of what is going on, the sharks hopefully won’t be able take advantage as in the past.
    .

    As all the fishes have died (no buyers), the sharks will die very naturally.
    They will have convulsions but there are going to be dead forever as times like 2000-2004 will not come back soon.

  • #92858
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    @charlie wrote:

    With people more aware of what is going on, the sharks hopefully won’t be able take advantage as in the past.
    .

    As all the fishes have died (no buyers), the sharks will die very naturally.
    They will have convulsions but there are going to be dead forever as times like 2000-2004 will not come back soon.

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    @flosmichael wrote:

    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    There’s practically no buyers in market
    .

    This I perfectly agree with you.

    Of course you do.

    That said, with the ER being low (in terms of buyers with pounds), some sellers with no mortage will let go ‘cheaper’, hence leverage in to the max, and that £100,000 property, might cost £80,000 in the not too distant future, just got to cover the mortage interest etc, and thats feat in itself. Cost is a concept and cost can vary in line with a number of factors especially in a foreign market, in terms of value, well there’s no such thing.

  • #92859
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    @flosmichael wrote:

    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    There’s practically no buyers in market
    .

    This I perfectly agree with you.

    Of course you do.

    That said, with the ER being low (in terms of buyers with pounds), some sellers with no mortage will let go ‘cheaper’, hence leverage in to the max, and that £100,000 property, might cost £80,000 in the not too distant future, just got to cover the mortage interest etc, and thats feat in itself. Cost is a concept and cost can vary in line with a number of factors especially in a foreign market, in terms of value, well there’s no such thing.

  • #93056
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    Agree with you flosmichael but increasing awareness can only be a good thing for whenever the market recovers.

    As the letter to AULAN said
    “Everybody is talking about them” (tv programmes)…..
    All the golfers, people at the gym, hairdressers, all the builders at the house etc etc etc.”

    The momentum of this type of exposure has to be kept up otherwise the sharks will eventually return and the cycle will start all over again.

  • #92860
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    Agree with you flosmichael but increasing awareness can only be a good thing for whenever the market recovers.

    As the letter to AULAN said
    “Everybody is talking about them” (tv programmes)…..
    All the golfers, people at the gym, hairdressers, all the builders at the house etc etc etc.”

    The momentum of this type of exposure has to be kept up otherwise the sharks will eventually return and the cycle will start all over again.

  • #93058
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    @charlie wrote:

    Agree with you flosmichael but increasing awareness can only be a good thing for whenever the market recovers.

    The market will never be like 2000-2004 (at least not in the foreseable future). That was a once in 100 year event, same as as the dot.com crash.

    But the thieves and robbers should be brought to justice.

  • #92861
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    @charlie wrote:

    Agree with you flosmichael but increasing awareness can only be a good thing for whenever the market recovers.

    The market will never be like 2000-2004 (at least not in the foreseable future). That was a once in 100 year event, same as as the dot.com crash.

    But the thieves and robbers should be brought to justice.

  • #93060
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    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    @flosmichael wrote:
    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    There’s practically no buyers in market
    .

    This I perfectly agree with you.

    Of course you do.

    That said, with the ER being low (in terms of buyers with pounds), some sellers with no mortage will let go ‘cheaper’, hence leverage in to the max, and that £100,000 property, might cost £80,000 in the not too distant future, just got to cover the mortage interest etc, and thats feat in itself. Cost is a concept and cost can vary in line with a number of factors especially in a foreign market, in terms of value, well there’s no such thing.

    The so called “lifestyle buyers” will buy and will move to Spain if they desire.
    They can do it anytime if they plan to hold the property for at least 20+ years.

    The “holiday home” buyers will not buy in the current conditions. There is so much rental property for any tastes and budget. And no hassle with Spanish authorities and other pains…

  • #92862
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    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    @flosmichael wrote:
    @Mary Hinge wrote:

    There’s practically no buyers in market
    .

    This I perfectly agree with you.

    Of course you do.

    That said, with the ER being low (in terms of buyers with pounds), some sellers with no mortage will let go ‘cheaper’, hence leverage in to the max, and that £100,000 property, might cost £80,000 in the not too distant future, just got to cover the mortage interest etc, and thats feat in itself. Cost is a concept and cost can vary in line with a number of factors especially in a foreign market, in terms of value, well there’s no such thing.

    The so called “lifestyle buyers” will buy and will move to Spain if they desire.
    They can do it anytime if they plan to hold the property for at least 20+ years.

    The “holiday home” buyers will not buy in the current conditions. There is so much rental property for any tastes and budget. And no hassle with Spanish authorities and other pains…

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    @flosmichael wrote:

    The “holiday home” buyers will not buy in the current conditions. There is so much rental property for any tastes and budget. And no hassle with Spanish authorities and other pains…

    Yes they most certainly will, its just a question of volume, it will be curtailed activity as the rental market will impact on the cost of a holiday home, but to say they will not buy is overstating the scale of any perceived problems. Whether that will help support the market is another question.

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    @flosmichael wrote:

    The “holiday home” buyers will not buy in the current conditions. There is so much rental property for any tastes and budget. And no hassle with Spanish authorities and other pains…

    Yes they most certainly will, its just a question of volume, it will be curtailed activity as the rental market will impact on the cost of a holiday home, but to say they will not buy is overstating the scale of any perceived problems. Whether that will help support the market is another question.

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    Where do sharks swim?

    In the Ocean!

    We came across a lot of them there, ruthless and greedy, but many were finally destroyed by their own greed. 😆

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    Where do sharks swim?

    In the Ocean!

    We came across a lot of them there, ruthless and greedy, but many were finally destroyed by their own greed. 😆

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    My opinion is that the quality houses/apartments in Spain will sell but what won’t sell are the half finished urbanisations or the ‘new build’ apartment blocks which were thrown up in record time to scrape the last few euros of the boom. Those places are so shoddy and virtually falling down already. Those prices will be rock bottom as the people with say a 50k mortgage can take an offer of 80k. It’s those who have a 120k mortgage who can’t accept the 80k so they’ll have to keep paying and sit it out. The Spanish aren’t going to sell at todays prices if they don’t have to as many have inherited the property. If they were desperate to sell then i’m sure second cousin so and so would step in to buy it before it went to an estate agent? Unless they wanted to add another 10k on top in commission? Who are selling cheaply are the British/German or whoever who bought something dodgy or those who did their ‘Place in the Sun’ and then added another house in an extention which should have only been 10m. I’ve come across too many properties which don’t match up with their paperwork. Don’t the agents suss out that a house to the eye of 200m but on paper as 130m means that something is a miss?? Who would nowadays go and blindly buy something without the correct title deeds?? Or have people not learnt anything from forums such as these and the tv programmes?

    Regarding the programme I don’t think they mentioned one agent who sold the properties on the ‘Wally’ development or those in Almeria. Was it Parador, Medsea, Atlas or one of the large agents? Did they not know what was illegal or ‘dodgy’ or did they just want to earn their commission (on commission only payment I guess it was sell something or not pay their own electricity bill that month? Stitch up Mr & Mrs Retired as long as i’m ok Jack ?) Why haven’t they been blamed for their part if we are to call all the Spanish ‘corrupt’ ? Those British agents stood between the builders/promoters/solicitors etc. and the buying public handing over large deposits for a computer generated image of a chalet surrounded by lots of grass and mountains (never any indication of how close the neighbours would be was there??).

    We are all here to learn from the mistakes made in the past (which can be true for all issues in life) but we all have to work together to clean up the system so we can all move forward and enjoy Spain for the fantastic country that it is.

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    My opinion is that the quality houses/apartments in Spain will sell but what won’t sell are the half finished urbanisations or the ‘new build’ apartment blocks which were thrown up in record time to scrape the last few euros of the boom. Those places are so shoddy and virtually falling down already. Those prices will be rock bottom as the people with say a 50k mortgage can take an offer of 80k. It’s those who have a 120k mortgage who can’t accept the 80k so they’ll have to keep paying and sit it out. The Spanish aren’t going to sell at todays prices if they don’t have to as many have inherited the property. If they were desperate to sell then i’m sure second cousin so and so would step in to buy it before it went to an estate agent? Unless they wanted to add another 10k on top in commission? Who are selling cheaply are the British/German or whoever who bought something dodgy or those who did their ‘Place in the Sun’ and then added another house in an extention which should have only been 10m. I’ve come across too many properties which don’t match up with their paperwork. Don’t the agents suss out that a house to the eye of 200m but on paper as 130m means that something is a miss?? Who would nowadays go and blindly buy something without the correct title deeds?? Or have people not learnt anything from forums such as these and the tv programmes?

    Regarding the programme I don’t think they mentioned one agent who sold the properties on the ‘Wally’ development or those in Almeria. Was it Parador, Medsea, Atlas or one of the large agents? Did they not know what was illegal or ‘dodgy’ or did they just want to earn their commission (on commission only payment I guess it was sell something or not pay their own electricity bill that month? Stitch up Mr & Mrs Retired as long as i’m ok Jack ?) Why haven’t they been blamed for their part if we are to call all the Spanish ‘corrupt’ ? Those British agents stood between the builders/promoters/solicitors etc. and the buying public handing over large deposits for a computer generated image of a chalet surrounded by lots of grass and mountains (never any indication of how close the neighbours would be was there??).

    We are all here to learn from the mistakes made in the past (which can be true for all issues in life) but we all have to work together to clean up the system so we can all move forward and enjoy Spain for the fantastic country that it is.

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    itsme

    there’s no excuse now for buying a future dump, the warnings are loud and clear, but there lies one of the problems. Until Spain cleans up its act, the increasingly bad reputation will hold back the property industry. We can all work together to help, and most buyers have learned lessons, but until people feel confident about common sense regulation and justice in Spain, then just how many will take the risk in future?

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    itsme

    there’s no excuse now for buying a future dump, the warnings are loud and clear, but there lies one of the problems. Until Spain cleans up its act, the increasingly bad reputation will hold back the property industry. We can all work together to help, and most buyers have learned lessons, but until people feel confident about common sense regulation and justice in Spain, then just how many will take the risk in future?

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    There’s no doubt that Spain, especially inland, is a beautiful country.

    Why they allowed the: corruption, the overbuild, the destruction of landscape etc to happen on most of their coastline beggars belief.

    It’s in their hands to clean up the coast, to clean up and regulate their property industry, to speed up Court cases, and, to build better quality property. Unless you pay top money, the build is pretty awful and there’s little or no soundproofing.

    They could also make things like golf more affordable.

    Spain seems to be constantly shooting itself in the foot, yet they could do something about it. 🙄

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    There’s no doubt that Spain, especially inland, is a beautiful country.

    Why they allowed the: corruption, the overbuild, the destruction of landscape etc to happen on most of their coastline beggars belief.

    It’s in their hands to clean up the coast, to clean up and regulate their property industry, to speed up Court cases, and, to build better quality property. Unless you pay top money, the build is pretty awful and there’s little or no soundproofing.

    They could also make things like golf more affordable.

    Spain seems to be constantly shooting itself in the foot, yet they could do something about it. 🙄

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    About 100 members of the AULAN, AUAN, Cantoria Residents Group and others joined Malaga-based José Antonio Castro, a ‘deputy’ for the Junta de Andalucía, in a meeting in Turre, Almería on Friday to explain about the problems in the province connected to ‘illegal homes’, demolition, corruption and so on. The deputy also saw a specially prepared and dubbed version of the Cantoria portion of the Paradise Lost show and took away a copy. He says he will raise the subject in the Andalucian parliament when they reconvene in September.
    I’ve written the meeting up at http://www.theentertaineronline.com.

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    lenox

    well a move in the right direction. Will anyone in a position to make change do anything?. Got to keep trying anyway, and get through to the right people.

  • #93379
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    I was just sent this:

    The viewing figures for Spain: Paradise Lost (broadcast on the national UK channel ITV1, 28th June,9.00pm) featuring the Cantoria situation was 3.82 million viewers.

    The program Holiday Homes from Hell featuring The Priors case was re-broadcast tonight (14th July) at prime time (8.00pm) again on ITV1.. We will obtain the viewing figures if we can in due course.

  • #93386
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    I’m sitting here in 90 degrees with San miguel and lagoon pool my attentive russian girlfriend by my side wondering what all the fuss is about

    I’m bronzed stressfree and happy here on costa del sol bought a beautiful frontline golf apt in miraflores for 150k Inc furniture with a good lawyer and agent

    get it right and you will have no regrets

    [/b]

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    Boothy –

    You can go off people you know !!!! 😀

    PS…Does your girlfriend have a sister?

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    maximus

    well we haven’t seen a picture of her? She might be a 20 stone Russian weightlifter with armpits like Zee Zee top in a headlock for all we know?…….beauty in the eye of the beholder and all that?

    …..and she might be the small sister??

    …..and I bet the San miguel’s gone warm by now??

    …..and think of the damage that sun’s doing??

    not that i’m jealous or anything Boothy!!

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    Hi Goodstich44,

    Yep – you’re absolutely right. Poor old Boothy. Life can be such a bummer! 😯

    (PS – I’m not in the slightest bit envious either 😈 )

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