MEP Andreasen challenges Zapatero over Spanish land laws

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    An absolutely excellent speech from Andreasen – every word hits the nail. She puts all the (eye-wateringly expensive) MEP’s to shame who simply answer letters with “there’s nothing we can do, we can’t interfere in another country’s laws…”

    As for Zapatero’s response, ‘pathetic’ doesn’t describe it. In any case he knows full well a vast number of land grab situations are nowhere near the coast so to rabbit on about coast protection laws is a feeble attempt to justify his country’s land theft.

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    Excellent speech by MEP Andreasen, unfortunately nothing will be done . I think Britain should apply the Spanish way of dealing with the EU, break every rule if a fine is applied , appeal against it , after 7 years of haggling everything is archived. I see Britain is being stopped from deporting the hook handed muslim cleric to the USA, because according to the Court of Human Rights , it is against his human rights. The lunatics are running the nuthouse, no wonder the world is in a mess.

    Zapatero´s speech was an outrage, no sympathy for the people who in most cases have bought in good faith, no apology for the corruption of Spanish officials. Just a series of platitudes about protecting the environment . The man is a joke but a dangerous one. I thought the reference to Spain operating in a similar style to Mugabe was great. In the 6 months since he , Zapatero, was last attacked by MEP Andreasen , nothing has been done. I fear the same thing will be true in another 6 months time.

    Does anyone know if the Boyles are still living in a garage or if they have received any compensation?. I understood they had won a case and the figure of 600,000 euros compensation had been mentioned, but quite a while later they had received a big
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    I understood they had won a case and the figure of 600,000 euros compensation had been mentioned, but quite a while later they had received a big 0

    As is the case more often than not. 😈

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    The first house to be demolished belonged to Len and Helen Prior (not Boyle) and it was located in Vera, about three miles from the sea. They never got compensation (and never will), but they have been lent a home by the Vera town hall. If President Zippy thinks that the Prior’s home somehow fell under the ‘Ley de Costas’ then we are all doomed! (‘Doomed’, I tells yer).
    In point of fact, most of the, uh, ‘300,000 illegal homes’ mentioned recently by the Junta de Andalucía’s housing tzar, aren’t on the playa either.
    There are three general areas of housing problems – a figure that could confuse any politician.
    ‘Ley de Costas’ – is misunderstood but is used for political ends: homes may be demolished but usually are left alone. Huge hotels often escape major problems. Some restaurants and bars (at least in my area) find it easier to just pay the fine and carry merrily on.
    ‘Land Grab’ – primarily a Valencian problem. Wealthy, and well-connected, local businessmen can legally expropriate part of your land (and charge you for the pleasure) for comercial ends. There are some cases in Andalucía.
    ‘Viviendas Ilegales’ – popular in Andalucía and Murcia. These are houses and even urbanisations which have been planned, built, promoted, sold (usually to ‘Europeans’) and only then declared illegal.
    Then, there’s room for fraud – Sometimes buying ‘off plan’ or taking a ‘property asset management’ loan.

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    @lenox wrote:

    The first house to be demolished belonged to Len and Helen Prior (not Boyle) and it was located in Vera, about three miles from the sea. They never got compensation (and never will), but they have been lent a home by the Vera town hall. If President Zippy thinks that the Prior’s home somehow fell under the ‘Ley de Costas’ then we are all doomed! (‘Doomed’, I tells yer).
    In point of fact, most of the, uh, ‘300,000 illegal homes’ mentioned recently by the Junta de Andalucía’s housing tzar, aren’t on the playa either.
    There are three general areas of housing problems – a figure that could confuse any politician.
    ‘Ley de Costas’ – is misunderstood but is used for political ends: homes may be demolished but usually are left alone. Huge hotels often escape major problems. Some restaurants and bars (at least in my area) find it easier to just pay the fine and carry merrily on.
    ‘Land Grab’ – primarily a Valencian problem. Wealthy, and well-connected, local businessmen can legally expropriate part of your land (and charge you for the pleasure) for comercial ends. There are some cases in Andalucía.
    ‘Viviendas Ilegales’ – popular in Andalucía and Murcia. These are houses and even urbanisations which have been planned, built, promoted, sold (usually to ‘Europeans’) and only then declared illegal.
    Then, there’s room for fraud – Sometimes buying ‘off plan’ or taking a ‘property asset management’ loan.

    Very good point Lenox.

    I’ve been meaning to write about this.

    Different, if related issues are being mixed up, which muddies the argument. I even get the impression that Andreasen is mixing up issues.

    Zapatero then gets of the hook by refering to the ley de costas and how it’s all about protecting the environment.

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    Zapatero does have a sense of humour after all, he really was quite funny in Parliament yesterday as per the article below; perhaps it was Rowan Atkinson filling in for him,by the way Paul the Octopus forecasts a Spanish win on Sunday, should increase confidence in Spain´s future. Expect the agents will come out on Monday , with “Good time to buy in Spain.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/teams/spain/7881110/World-Cup-final-Paul-the-psych

    I know demolitions etc is a serious business, but could n´t resist putting the story on the
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    I think politicians on both sides of the argument do tend to mix up the different categories of illegal builds and I feel quite frustrated when they do because as Lennox rightly points out most of the problems are not connected with Ley de Costas.

    As much as I admire Andreasen’s interventions in the E.U. Parliament I think she would be more effective if she focused on the number of illegal properties that have sprung up as a result of conflicts between the town halls and the Regional Authorities. This seems to be the crux of the problem for many including the Priors

    Richard

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    I agree that some times the politicians get confused with the issue & sometimes it suits them to confuse the issue.

  • #99555
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    Yes, it would be a good time to buy football in Spain. Why buy your own garden to play football in when you can play free on land reclaimed after demolish en and later have a matches with the teams from Gaza.

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