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  • #54541
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    I’ve started this new thread rather than continue to hijack Roots thread on bank guarantees.

    This all started with a comment made by UBEDA and a question by me as to what law firms and/or lawyers were behind Lawbird.

    Below is the last exchange copied accoss to this new thread.

    However I must point out that my reference to “Marbella lawyers” was a general comment aimed at lawyers practising in Marbella and not at your domain name (http://www.marbella-lawyers.com). Nor did I refer to Lawbird – it was you who created the link and entered your firm’s name in brackets!

    But anyway I am not at all concerned by your threat to sue me. I will add your name to the long list of Marbella lawyers who regularly threaten to report me to whatever authority they dream up when I question their high fees and shoddy work or more usually work they didn’t do but charged for it anyway!

    My question “who is behind Lawbird” still stands.

    JJB-Mijas wrote:

    To me this all sounds rather cloak and dagger!

    The way I see it many Marbella lawyers in the past have had very lucrative deals running with estate agents and developers and were anything but independent and did little to help their “referred clients” in terms of negotiating contract terms and thus ensuring clients were as protected as they should be but nevertheless charging clients max fees for the privilege.

    Obviously such firms were not going to bite the hand that feeds them but the work was there so I guess set up under a different name and take on the litigation work especially against the developers that maybe were not referring them much work etc.

    But this leaves you wide open to all sorts of conflicts. One minute you are wining and dining estate agents and developers and the next minute with a victim and ready to wage war against the very same developers. Now that the conveyancing market has all but dried up I guess it’s time to put more effort into promoting litigation and at the same time set up your own “independent” forum and join other reputable forums and reel the clients in.

    So maybe UBEDA was not too far out when he said “same people different suits…and “lawyers” acting like ambulance chasers churning punters !!

    You may feel my comments are unwarranted and misinformed but if you come onto forums such as SPI promoting your firm and your own forum then you have to expect other members to ask questions. Spain is a very grubby place in which to do business and sadly many members on this forum are victims of one sort or another. Once you identify all lawyers and law firms behind Lawbird then I will be able to decide if you really are the good guys!

    Lawbird wrote:

    JJB,

    We are not promoting on this forum. We only have 9 posts and half of them have been spent already on this very thread replying to yours and UBEDA’s unfounded accusations. If you reread this thread carefully we’ve only posted on this thread because we have been unjustly attacked.
    JJB-Mijas wrote:

    The way I see it many Marbella lawyers in the past have had very lucrative deals running with estate agents and developers and were anything but independent and did little to help their “referred clients” in terms of negotiating contract terms and thus ensuring clients were as protected as they should be but nevertheless charging clients max fees for the privilege.

    Again, a false accusation. Marbella-lawyers is not a law firm, as anyone can check, it’s a website (marbella-lawyers.com/belegal.com) created in 1999.

    Did you read my post in which I write we have hardly done any conveyance at all in the past decade and certainly almost none now post credit-crunch?

    Did you read that our legal enquiries (Lawbird) have always been self-generated precisely through this website that is now 10 years old? People rather prefer to email us privately their legal queries of which I receive personally more than 30 a day, all of which are replied.

    Did you read that at no time has any Estate Agency, Estate Agent or for that matter any other company ever recommended, endorsed or referred us clients?

    Unlike other law firms we’ve never been appointed by any REA as their recommended lawyers “churning out conveyances or punters” as UBEDA wrote and you post above so crudely. Please search for any such link to Lawbird. You will find none because we have always done what we like and do best.- litigation. We also offer a broader range of legal services including, of course, conveyance but it has never been our main work as you would have us believe.

    The criticisms we receive from time to time on forums are never from clients. They are from developers, estate agents and occasionally from some colleague (who is recommended and contributes in estate agencies btw as we’ve proved with links).

    You post:

    “(Lawbird)did little to help their “referred clients” in terms of negotiating contract terms and thus ensuring clients were as protected as they should be but nevertheless charging clients max fees for the privilege.”

    Where are you getting this false information from? What vested interest do you have in attacking us unwarrantedly? All of our clients have always been treated to the best of our professional abilities. None of our clients can claim they did not have a bank guarantee or we did not request it on their behalf acting as their appointed conveyance lawyers. Besides most of our clients, I’d say above 90%, are litigation clients. There are no contracts to be reviewed and negotiated as you write only lawsuits to be filed and cases to be won, and that we do with both pleasure and passion.

    I think we are old enough to know what we should be writing or not in public forums JJB. Normally I really despise having to threat people with suing them for libellous remarks they cannot uphold and I know for a fact they cannot because they are downright false (and very offensive) such as the ones above posted by yourself repeatedly and irresponsibly. Heed my friendly advice taking it as it is and not as a threat.
    JJB-Mijas wrote:

    You may feel my comments are unwarranted and misinformed but if you come onto forums such as SPI promoting your firm and your own forum then you have to expect other members to ask questions.

    Again please reread our replies. Long before SPI, EOS or any other forums were created we were already answering to online queries, since 1999 to be precise. In fact we have replied over the years to nearly 30,000 legal queries over the last decade. The queries you see publicly posted on the said website are only a fraction of what we have received over the years

    Not only do I personally think your attacks are unwarranted, your comments are totally out of line. You and UBEDA have blissfully accused us of things which are only figments of your wild imagination. If you choose to believe them, so be it, I won’t be able to convince you of the opposite.

    I’ve already posted that the lawyer’s profiles will be posted on our website within the next months yet you again insist on this point (?).

    Again if you choose to fly unfounded accusations over the net rather than meeting us up in person, as I’ve offered you twice, then it really makes me query your ulterior motives to attempt to discredit us publicly permanently. The same goes for UBEDA.

    If you have a factual accusation to make, do so publicly please JJB don’t hold back, if not then I would kindly request you to refrain from posting conspiracy tales (cloak and dagger) where there are simply none and only honest and hardworking people with families to raise which don’t like reading false things such as the ones you’ve recklessly posted.

    On the comments of us being “the good guys”, we are neither good nor evil. We are simply professionals, no more no less; solicitors that take care of our clients, and only of them, to the best of our professional abilities.

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  • #88363
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    JJB,

    No one has threatened to sue you, again your imagination playing tricks on you.

    I posted:

    @Lawbird wrote:

    I think we are old enough to know what we should be writing or not in public forums JJB. Normally I really despise having to threat people with suing them for libellous remarks they cannot uphold and I know for a fact they cannot because they are downright false (and very offensive) such as the ones above posted by yourself repeatedly and irresponsibly. Heed my friendly advice taking it as it is and not as a threat.

    I specifically posted don’t take it as a threat albeit as a friendly advice. Again you choose to victimize yourself (?).

    I believe we have been very clear in ourprior reply, if you choose to ignore it, so be it. We really cannot afford to spend all day long aswering empty posts such as yours with unfounded accusations.

    We know who we are, thousands of people know who we are.

    Who are you I ask?

    Regards,

  • #88364
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    Hi
    We know who we are, thousands of people know who we are.

    Well if they didnt they do now 😀

    Just Frank 8)

  • #88365
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    Fuengi (Andrew)
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    Hi Lawbird,

    2 point.

    your point about that comment being ‘friendly’ advice does not come over as such. More as a statement of what JJB can expect.

    Also i beleive in the previous thread you mentioned that one of your partners also owns/runs Lawyers of Spain? Don’t you think there might be a slight conflict of interest considering who LoS main supplier of clients is?

    Which as JJB said:
    -But this leaves you wide open to all sorts of conflicts. One minute you are wining and dining estate agents and developers and the next minute with a victim and ready to wage war against the very same developers.

    Does this not apply to that partner?

  • #88413
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    I just wanted to add my opinion on Lawbird. I have had actual experience dealing with Lawbird, so my comments are not hearsay. My dealings with Lawbird related to an immigration matter rather than real estate. Lawbird was assisting me in this matter.

    All my dealings with the firm and it’s assosciates have been above board and professional. I visited their offices in Marbella and met with one of their legal assistants. In addition, I have paid them for their services and all work was performed as per our discussion. I was never pressed for more money or anything beyond what was discussed. I even had a conversation with their MD over the phone when I initated this process, he advised me that I could pursue this matter on my own and did not necessarily require a lawyer. But, I decided to go ahead and work with them anyway.

    In summary, based on my own experiences with them, I think Lawbird conducts itself in a professional manner. At no point did they come across as money grabbers or ambulance chasers. I cannot speak about their dealings in other matters and this is not a blanket endorsement of Lawbird. But, it is just my own experience, which has been positive.

    I have nothing to gain from this and if anybody wishes to verify my credentials and wants further information, feel free to contact me via PM.

  • #88416
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    I have to say I have never heard anything negative about them, not even a rumour.

  • #88423
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    Hello JJB-Mijas,

    I am one of the lawyers not behind but rather “in front” of Lawbird. If you want to meet me please feel free to visit our offices and we´ll treat to a shot of anise (just one if you are driving 😀 ) and some “polvorones”, as is customary around here during Christmas. Perhaps we can also visit your offices and meet your collaborators.

  • #88439
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    @Just Frank wrote:

    Hi
    We know who we are, thousands of people know who we are.

    Well if they didnt they do now 😀

    Just Frank 8)

    great contribution frank

  • #88447
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    kingy

    quite!

    As for Lawbird, i have found them to be very good, and have no complaints at all. We agreed a price and they have stuck to it. They have always been honest and upfront, and have always been happy to answer my questions.

    If only i had found them first, and not listened to the UK Agents, who are nothing but low down crooks, advising us to use low down UK and Spanish lawyers and developers of the same ilk, who will stoop to any level, then we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    We would like to think that with enough pressure, the Spanish government will regulate against the low-life, but until then, many of us screwed, just have to rely on companies like Lawbird, to try and do the best for us, in a very slow, unregulated, and poor system of justice in my opinion.

  • #88455
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    ❗ I don’t think that any one needs to defend Lawbird’s reputation – their performance and results speak for themselves.

    I have used them for conveyancing and litigation – they are transparent, professional and their client service is excellent.

  • #88498
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    Fuengi (Andrew)
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    I don’t think JJB was attacking Lawbirds reputation. He asked who is behind Lawbird

    Let’s be honest. As long as lawbirds do their job properly, there should be little bad to say about them really

    EDIT: yes i realise this does not seem too common for legal firms in Marbella

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