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  • #54151
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    I will be looking for property in inland Costa Azahar in a few years and as a lawyer I’m an inveterate researcher. Does anyone know if there is any map of the LRAU/LUV grabs? A nice agent told me there haven’t been any in the rural areas north of Castellon de la Plana and of course I believe everything I’m told! I have looked at the Black Spots map on this site which is great but I’m looking specifically for grabs. Any idea?

    Thanks
    Sherry

  • #85255
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    Hi Sherry, i have a property in Cervera Del Maestre inland in the Costa Azahar.There has been no land grab at all in that area as it has been restricted to the Valencia area, so north of Castellon you should be ok.One hint is that the new airport at Benlloch (Castellon ) will open in jan09 which will give the region a huge boost, as it is the market is still bouyant in the Peniscola/Benicarlo/Vinaros and inland area. Well worth it as the area is really unspoilt . Good luck
    Nick

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    I asked a lawyer friend whose considered opinion was that any land or house could be taken by land-grab under the right circumstances (i.e. ‘for the general good’). The theory goes that any ‘part-owner’ of the new urbanisation or tower-block (whatever) would hold or improve his eventual ‘patrimonio’. The biggest ‘land-grab’ appears to be on the books for the Levante Almeriense where the Junta de Andalucia is taking 55 square kilometres to build a new city.
    It’s very rare, of course.

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    I’ll be in San Mateu in Sept. to get to know the area better. While I have a hard time believing that any Spanish area is still doing well right now, I’ve heard Galicia is and maybe inland Costa Azahar is too. It seemed to me like prices weren’t driven by much speculation there, if true maybe that’s why. I’m glad there hasn’t been any land grab there but it’s still disturbing that the land could be taken and I’ll have to find out more about how exactly that works. I wonder if I would protected if I bought a big hunk of land? Thanks again to you both.

    Sherry

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    SherryfromSeattle wrote:
    I’ll be in San Mateu in Sept. to get to know the area better. While I have a hard time believing that any Spanish area is still doing well right now, I’ve heard Galicia is and maybe inland Costa Azahar is too. It seemed to me like prices weren’t driven by much speculation there, if true maybe that’s why. I’m glad there hasn’t been any land grab there but it’s still disturbing that the land could be taken and I’ll have to find out more about how exactly that works. I wonder if I would protected if I bought a big hunk of land? Thanks again to you both.

    Sherry

    Sherry this was printed in the comments section of the Daily Telegraph .

    April 2008: Ulster Unionist MEP Jim Nicholson demanded that the Spanish Government orders a final halt to the demolition of houses owned by British expatriates.

    Mr Nicholson, speaking from Brussels, called for a moratorium on demolitions and all future land grab developments after receiving numerous letters from alarmed expatriates from Northern Ireland who have settled in Spain and whose homes now face demolition.

    The European Parliament has previously issued four Resolutions calling for action to be taken to protect property owners. Although the law was amended in the form of the new Valencia Land Law (LUV), many still face the expropriation of their land without compensation or arbitrary costs for unnecessary infrastructure developments in their region.

    In a statement Mr Nicholson said,

    “The Spanish authorities have had long enough to talk about change. Now is the time for action. I am calling on the Spanish authorities to issue an immediate moratorium on demolitions and future land grab developments.”

    You have been warned……….

    The damage can already be seen both to those owning property in Spain and to the local environment. The European Parliament’s Petitions Committee will be referring cases to the European Courts of Justice and Human Rights. ”

    Posted by WiseOldOwl on July 17, 2008 12:33 PM

    As you say no land grab in Galicia, the problem is the weather it is worse than or at least as bad as the UK.. Absolutely beautiful scenery and the food is to die for. Has always been one of the poorest parts of Spain.

    The Costa Azahar I know nothing about. The Valencia region has been the most affected, by the land grab. but I have heard that Andalucia is getting in on the land grab act, now as well..

    In the Valencia region it worked more or less as follows.

    Let us take a fictional case (based on an almost true case) of an owner having a legal property and 8,000 m2 of land. The owner has lived happily for several years and is enjoying life. Then like a bolt from the blue a letter is received stating that a developer is going to build an urbanizacion near the property. It states of course a suitable infrastruture will have to be provided new roads, mains drainage, increased electricity supply etc etc.
    For the roads we will have to expropriate half of your plot , ie 4,000 m2 we will give some compensation but as it is for a social need `the price will not reflect current land values. Obviously as all this new infrastructure will improve your property and lifestyle you will have to contribute to the cost ,in your case we have calculated this to be 140,000euros.

    This will have to be paid before work begins on the new infrastructure or the development.

    I have simplified the facts and think they are more or less correct , am sure other posters will correct and add where necessary.

    One fact about Galicia. In order to obtain change of land use , interested parties were known to tie burning tyres to foxes or similar animals then set them free to set fire to the area where planning was required. Horrific but true.

  • #85372
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    Good lord that is truly awful. Perhaps long term renting would be less risky if this practice isn’t definitively ended. Thank you.

  • #85374
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    The only positive spin I can find for this is that your former 8,000m2 rustic plot now becomes a 4,000m2 urban plot which can subsequently be subdivided into mow legal building plots at whatever the minimum plot size so a potential say 5 plots of 800m2 yours is one plus 4 to sell at circa 60k!

  • #85380
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    The stance of the local councils in the most active land-grab regions is “The EU has no right to interfere with Spanish law”. So despite all protestations/investigative trips by Michael Cashman/EU committees, petitions to the EU etc., until now Spain is refusing to budge on this matter.

    The token amendment (LUV) they made to the Land Grab law (LRAU) was just window-dressing and means nada.

  • #85383
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    jiminspain wrote:
    The only positive spin I can find for this is that your former 8,000m2 rustic plot now becomes a 4,000m2 urban plot which can subsequently be subdivided into mow legal building plots at whatever the minimum plot size so a potential say 5 plots of 800m2 yours is one plus 4 to sell at circa 60k!

    The only problem with your sums is that knowing Spanish logic, the fact that the town hall has given permission to their friend the developer to build x hundred or x thousand huts sorry mean villas , does not ensure that planning permission will be given on the 8,000 m2 now 4,000 m2 plot.

  • #85392
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    Sherry, the reply is a bit late but perhaps apt. Galicia is nice in July/August other wise its cold & rainy. Most of the people manage to live off fishing etc.

    The boom in the area if I believe it, was probably artificial as the biggest employer in the area was Fadesa. As Fadesa Martin SA has gone into voluntary winding up. I am sure that this will have an effect on the so called boom.

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