Judges’ Strike Action & Clogged Courts

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  • #54648
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    ‘Four judges’ associations are planning a day of protest for February 18 and a strike in June to press demands for higher salaries and better working conditions.

    The judges say they struggle under huge workloads.

    The increase of court cases has clogged courts which still had 2.5 million cases left to resolve in the end of 2008..’

    The government says the judiciary is a power of state which cannot go on strike…..’

    http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/250762,judges-strike-sparks-controversy-in-spain.html

  • #89423
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    Its the quality of their judgement that should be the yardstick. Perhaps if they applied their corrupt few legal brain cell better, than.

    1) Half of the cases will not reappear as appeals.

    2) Deter developers, council etc to go down the blatant illegal route in the first instance.

    3) Allow a group action, where cases are similar & developers, Banks etc are the same.

    Going on strike, shows the lack of wisdom on their part.

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    Its the quality of their judgement that should be the yardstick. Perhaps if they applied their corrupt few legal brain cell better, than.

    1) Half of the cases will not reappear as appeals.

    2) Deter developers, council etc to go down the blatant illegal route in the first instance.

    3) Allow a group action, where cases are similar & developers, Banks etc are the same.

    Going on strike, shows the lack of wisdom on their part.

  • #89425
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    @Suzanne wrote:

    The government says the judiciary is a power of state which cannot go on strike…..’

    Sadly, they do what they like!

  • #89225
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    @Suzanne wrote:

    The government says the judiciary is a power of state which cannot go on strike…..’

    Sadly, they do what they like!

  • #89431
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    Shakeel
    Agree. The legal system is run a bit like a roundabout with more and more climbing on board and no one getting off.
    Have you watched the Film .Ground Hog Day.

    Just Frank 8)

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    Shakeel
    Agree. The legal system is run a bit like a roundabout with more and more climbing on board and no one getting off.
    Have you watched the Film .Ground Hog Day.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #89434
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    @shakeel wrote:

    1) Half of the cases will not reappear as appeals.

    Absolutely.
    When you get cases like Claire’s and ours where there was no build, not a brick laid because of a revoked building licence, after two and half years of them having our money the judge ruled the developer should return it with legal interest.

    Guess what …….. they appealed !!!!!

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    @shakeel wrote:

    1) Half of the cases will not reappear as appeals.

    Absolutely.
    When you get cases like Claire’s and ours where there was no build, not a brick laid because of a revoked building licence, after two and half years of them having our money the judge ruled the developer should return it with legal interest.

    Guess what …….. they appealed !!!!!

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    ‘Spanish judges have kept their plans to take a day of strike action on February 18, and start a longer period of stoppages in the summer from June 26, despite meeting with the Minister for Justice, Fernández Bermejo, yesterday.

    The Minister said he hoped to convince them in further meetings to call off the protests which come with already 2,500 cases outstanding. The judges say they are understaffed and overworked and are demanding the judiciary receive more resources and be modernised. A statement after the meeting said that they saw a ‘willingness’ from the Ministry, after 30% additional funding of 20 million € was offered, but they think it is not enough………’

    http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_19787.shtml

    If these strikes go ahead, no doubt many of our cases will be postponed ❓ 🙄

    http://www.spanishpropertyscandalpetition.co.uk

  • #89681
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    Suzanne

    perhaps to help Spain and the UK people caught up in the backlog, the cases involving UK citizens should be transfered to UK courts.

    I think that might speed things up a bit, as well as bring justice to those who deserve it!!

  • #89682
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    If only, Goodstich!

    Came across this website yesterday, but haven’t had a chance yet to read it properly. Britsh Spanish Law Association.

    http://www.bsla.org.uk/

  • #89683
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    The legal system in Spain is very strange. My neighbour is a Lawyer, his wife who is very young is studying to be a Judge!

    I do not understand the appeals procedure…how can ayone be allowed to appeal when it is a straightforward case 🙄

  • #89684
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    I heard from 2 people over the weekend, who have just won their cases against Aifos. The Judge on one case would not allow Aifos to appeal. Hope others Judges follow his example!

    Many congratulations to Lawbird with these recent cases won against Aifos, and previous ones against Aifos too 🙂

  • #89696
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    Suzanne

    yes, well done indeed to Lawbird. Lawyers with teeth! And well done to that judge. Could this a record?, a judge not only making the right judgement, but then refusing the automatic appeal. Could this be the start of common sense in the courtroom?

  • #89698
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    Excellent news. Where were the cases heard?

  • #89699
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    Good news again and well done to Lawbird

    Hopefully they have an angle to obtain payment on this judgement

    Just Frank 8)

  • #89702
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    Just Frank

    well well Frank, and you’ve always told me what a rubbish lawyer i have.

    Changed our mind again have we, to fall in with popular opinion? Nothing new there then!

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    We “won” our case against Aifos last week with Lawbird.

    Usual story. Aifos kept our money since 2005 – never laid a brick etc etc.

    The judge in his wisdom has only awarded us our initial deposit. We have to pay our own costs and we get no interest. All this apparently because there was never a building license. Like thats our fault !!

    There is something really rotten I think when someone can take your money do nothing you have to take them to court to get your money back they offer no defence and you have to pay the legal costs !!

    The only good thing is they can’t appeal.

    The worst thing is that if they do not pay up – as is extremely likely
    then we are going to have to start paying more legal costs to enforce the judgement !! And if they go bankrupt / go into administration then again we start again with legal costs.

    In reality I shall be amazed if we get anything.

  • #89711
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    john

    thanks for the info, though that’s really put a damper on things as far as justice goes. I take back what i said about the judge! Yes it’s good it went the right way, but no interest, no compensation, you paying legal costs?????? This again is just wrong what ever way you look at it. I really do despair of the Spanish justice system!. If they wont pay you back cash, why on earth could the judge not secure an asset of the developers?

    Bloody farce yet again.

  • #89712
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    The simple way they could unclog their courts would be come down
    hard on people like Aifos .

    Evertime they consider yet another case where a builder has kept someones money without reason they should jail the Company;s directors by another 6 months. it is nothing less than theft. I understand they already have a law to do this but is never enforced.

    You would find miracoulsy overnight their caseload would drastically drop.

  • #89719
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    johmfranci5

    same old story with Spanish justice. The wealthy crooks virtually get away with daylight robbery, and the victims get the bare minimum if they are lucky?, even when proved right in court.

    You really wonder who the biggest crooks are?

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    Goodstich 44
    Am always willing to stand corrected
    They and you have still lost yer money and lots of legal expences.
    They have done well however they are hardly putting any defence in by all accounts
    Still prefer mine she got a result on one of the popular developments we often talk about. 4 Actually 🙄
    However she ensured that the developer could pay and he has. 😉
    Tend not to get to excited and rather just get on with the job.
    On the other forum I have even recommended Lawbird for a specific case.

    Regards to you

    Just Frank 8)

    Tell me. ARE YOU FAMILY 😆

  • #89727
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    Just Frank

    if you are confident that you have a good lawyer, then why not stick with them. I’ve heard that some people have stooped to the level of posting PM’s to people on here under different names, in order to find out which lawyer they are using or other info’. Nothings to low for some is it?

  • #89728
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    Goodstich44
    I dont know where your going with this 😕 Let me try to explain.
    As far as actual litigation goes its clear that Lawbird are first class at what they do and I would and do recommend them in a few cases.
    I have no intention of changing my solicitor as she is excellent up to a level.
    When that level is reached its past onto the litigation department however she will have carried her homework to ensure clients are not only going the have a good chance of winning but ensuring her clients would get paid.
    A court victory in her eyes is rather empty if she has to give her client a bill for thousands of Euros when they had little chance of getting true victory and thats getting paid.
    Rather like a solicitor in the U.K who specialise in variuos sectors.
    Hopefully that clears the matter up for you.

    Just Frank 8)

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    Just Frank

    oh yes, it’s clear ok!

  • #89733
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    Goodstich 44
    Glad you can see it from my side as I have formed a great relationship with my solicitor based in Spain and we are in contact everyday and has become a bit like a sister to myself and my wife.
    Like me she is so against the corruption in Spain and perhaps she gets a little cynical when all she and I see is an empty victory if a succesful claim in courts leave her clients with a compounded lost having to pay legal fees with no payout.
    Bit like a murderer getting convicted and be allowed to walk out of the back door with a nice payday.
    Perhaps thats why I dont wet myself and feel we are winning some war (AS THEY SAY SHOW ME THE MONEY) just because someone has obtained a Judgement which appears are hardly being defended through lack of defence funds and there are so many cases piling up in the courts is hardly encouraging.
    The level of claims developers are such that they are either sinking or will sink and a Banking System thats about to go tits up.
    Anyway now we agree that Lawbird and some other solicitors in Spain are good at what they do then theres hope for most of us and inparticular if said solicitors carry out financial checks before spending clients money.
    Lets face it many Spanish Solicitors saw us coming and personally I ran into a wall once I would rather not do it again.
    Thinks its good to have a reality check once is a while to appreciate that winning a court fight is a minor pin prick of the problems many of us have.
    Goodstich .Bet Lawbird are rubbing there hands at the moment as you couldnt buy this sort of advertising and publicity.
    Still good on em and keep it in the family thats what I say.

    Kind Regards

    Just Frank 8)

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    Goodstich 44
    You Posted

    Just Frank
    I’ve heard that some people have stooped to the level of posting PM’s to people on here under different names, in order to find out which lawyer they are using or other info’. Nothings to low for some is it?

    I HAVE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF THE EMAILS I GET ALL OF THE TIME LOOKING FOR HELP AND ADVICE FROM GREEN HILLS AND LA RESERVA de MARBELLA.
    PROBABLY YOU GET THE SAME ON YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

    COULD THIS BE ONE OF THE LOW LIFE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ?

    (1)From: brooklyn To: Just Frank Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:31 pm Subject: SMGH

    Hi Just Frank,
    Can you give me the contact details for the lawyer who successfully sued on behalf of the buyers at GH – Carlos Comitre?

    Many thanks,
    Brooklyn

    (2) I SUPPLIED TO DETAILS AND BROOKLAND REPLIED

    (3)From: brooklyn To: Just Frank Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:16 pm Subject: Re: SMGH

    thank you very much

    Brooklyn

    If I get any more enquiring about solicitors and as this appears to be of Interest I will let you know but why would anyone really want to know who is using what solicitor that’s where I got lost 😕
    Cant say they would be stooping the low life levels as it appears they have nothing to gain and are just plain nosey.
    Perhaps its developers panicking

    Regards again
    Hope this helps

    Just Frank 8)

  • #89745
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    You couldn’t make it up goodstitch could you!..or could you? 😆

  • #89753
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    ?
    I assume this comment is to encourage a reaction that would lead to an inevitable conflict.
    I have no intention of replying.
    Please return to the topic.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #89754
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    Claire

    well, once an agent…….

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    ‘Courts in Almería reaching breaking point. New revelations surrounding the chaotic state of Almería’s courts came to light this week after it emerged two more provincial courts are operating without judges as a result of staff shortages…………..’

    http://www.costa-news.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2012&Itemid=121

  • #90083
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    I notice that the strike planned for the 26th June conveniently falls on a Friday. The one in February in the middle of the week. I can bet you all that the strike planned for Feb 09, will have be falling either side of some rholiday such as Saint day etc. Lazy corrupt b…..ds

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