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  • #53842
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    Euro, and the fact it’s was becoming so expensive anyway before the Euro strengthened?

  • #80537
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    Yep

    Will probably stay at home in the UK this year.

    Kevin

  • #80538
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    I don’t think you will be alone in that sentiment, Kevin. It’s not soooo bad for couples, especially if they are both earning, but for those with families I think the rising air travel costs and weak pound will make it too much too afford. Personally, I think holidaying in the UK or “day outings” is astronomically expensive.

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    @Claire wrote:

    I don’t think you will be alone in that sentiment, Kevin. It’s not soooo bad for couples, especially if they are both earning, but for those with families I think the rising air travel costs and weak pound will make it too much too afford. Personally, I think holidaying in the UK or “day outings” is astronomically expensive.

    I guess we are lucky as we have a holiday lodge in the Lake District but usually go to Spain for a “sun” break for a week in the Summer. This year I think we will give Spain a miss due to the cost.

    Kevin

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    Everything effects tourism and not only Spanish tourism.
    It is a luxury item so when money gets tight or expensive, numbers and expenditure will always drop.
    People need to buy essentials to survive, so that is what takes priority.
    It was only a couple of years ago that people were happy with one overseas holiday each year. Now, it is 2 or 3 they expect, so things have to be affected.
    Talk to the restaurant, cafe and bar owners in Spain and listen what they are suffering now.

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    I have noticed that for the last 2 years the spanish holidaymakers are not eating in the restaurants as frequently. My local beach is full of Northern spanish in July and August, most of them do not hire a sunlounger and around 2.30 there is a mass exodus, everything packed up and they are off back to their self-catering places. Before they used to fill the restaurants.

    I have noticed a drop in Brit visitors too, well before the currency rate fell.

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    @katy wrote:

    I have noticed that for the last 2 years the spanish holidaymakers are not eating in the restaurants as frequently. My local beach is full of Northern spanish in July and August, most of them do not hire a sunlounger and around 2.30 there is a mass exodus, everything packed up and they are off back to their self-catering places. Before they used to fill the restaurants.

    I have noticed a drop in Brit visitors too, well before the currency rate fell.

    Lat year we had a week on the CDS. We found a great restaurant on the top of a hill with great views of Gib. Peak weeks in July and the place was empty . If we ever did go back I would guess the place will have closed due to lack of business

    Kevin

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    Hi

    I know what you mean it’s bad here, I got sun burnt today and all i was doing was playing golf.

    And the golf course was so packed it took me five and quarter hours to get round.

    Snowing in the UK I hear

    You’re right it rubbish πŸ˜‰ .

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    Hi

    Well lets see what negative thing we can talk about regarding Spain today is it ?
    So a couple of K holiday will cost Β£150.00 extra and people are going to stay in the U.K are they ?
    The reason they may stay in the U.K is because of a credit crunch,people are worried and holidays in general may not be on a priority list until it clears.
    Dont think the extra on a pint at 1 Euro and the extra on a bottle of wine will keep me here somehow with the costs of a holiday in the U.K .
    2 Glasses of wine at a hotel in Devon today Β£13.00 and a pint at Β£4.00 while it was snowing still leaves plenty in the tank.
    Alonso break tested Hamilton today and cost him points now thats bound to effect house prices in Spain πŸ˜•
    Cant anyone find something positive to talk about in Spain as this is getting sad.

    Just Frank 8)

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    It must be bad Paul if you are bothering to post on SPI whilst on holiday! πŸ˜‰

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    We play golf a couple of times a week and was on the beach for a few hours yesterday. Nero fiddling while Rome burnt πŸ˜‰

    Doesn’t change the fact though paul that your particular golf course may have been full many are empty…golfers are going further afield. Suppose you have heard of Golf News? Local mag who have been saying it for a long time. Not forgetting the thousands of empty golf apartments that golfers don’t want to stay in. Many Golf handling services have gone out of business.

    Don’t think the currency will have much bearing on the numbers, Spain has just lost a lot of its charm.

    PS. If it took you all that time to get round there is something wrong with the golf course organisation or maybe they need better marshalls! You really should complain, don’t be an appeaser.

  • #80547
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    It would be interesting to know how many people posting on this forum/thread that actually lives here in Spain. Spain has still plenty of charm an interesting places to see. My personal outgoings are far lower here than in the U.K. I donΒ΄t know why there has to be so many negative postings about Spain, it really is a wonderful place to live in and I, for one, would not dream living anywhere else. Of course there has been problems with corruption bent politicians estate agents etc, but that is not something that is unique to Spain.

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    Lived here (Spain) since 1995..is that interesting enough?

  • #80549
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    Just sorry that you feel it has lost itΒ΄s charm. I agree that some of the coast line is horrible and has been totally destroyed and that is heartbreaking, but there are other places that are lovely.

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    Why has Spain lost its charm. Because too many expats have gone there because they think it is cheaper, and give little to the economy.

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    Claire

    You forget my young children, beach all day makes them tied and in bed early.

    Katy

    I read the news, all I can say is Santa Maria was full today five hours fifteen minutes is not a bad time out here (as you know). My partner and I (another owner in Spain) played with two tourists from Scotland. Behind us were two three balls all from the UK on a four day golfing break. Oh and by the way my golfing partner is doing very well (Β£500 a week) renting his other apartment near Minaflores to golfers from Rotherham and Worksop.

    I would also say that at the Elviria commercial centre (OpenCor side) a new Pizza place has just opened and a new coffee and ice cream parlor about to open in time for the season. Interestingly where Estate Agents once where so every cloud and all that.

    Anyway off to bed another busy day tomorrow.

    Regards

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    I think most ex-pats contribute a lot to the economy. They employ gardeners and cleaners, pay spanish taxes, and of course all their daily living expenses are spent in spanish shops.
    Have a walk around the major shopping centres and see the clients, most of them would have to close if the foreigners were not there. I know 6 spanish men employed as gardeners on my street alone and many also have cleaners. Not great jobs I know but most gardeners charge 15 euros an hour and cleaners 9-11 euros. more than they get paid hourly in many shops.

    The first few years I lived here and returned from trips to the UK I used to think cool. great to be back. Now driving from the airport it resembles some Eastern block communist built country. There is no way I would move here now, not sure I would want to live all the year in the UK. either!

    Paul, santa maria is one of the busier courses as is Mijas. Many are suffering badly as are rentals. Saw the ad in the window for the pizza place. Flower shop next door is/was for sale for ages. Should do well though compared with the fancy prices some of the others around there are charging to eat in a virtual car park!

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    Katy

    I’d love some names of these empty course maybe i get to play more than once a week if i could convince my kids and wife that i will only be three hours (because Katy says so)

    I know how long it would have taken in the UK today… no time at all “Course closed due to snow”

    Katy you seem really unhappy here in Spain, and for that I’m sorry we think its great.

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    katy

    so pleased to see you telling it as it really is. I admire your honesty and straight talking. I realise that with living in Spain and the UK, there are pro’s and cons, and saying one is better than the other, is just evading reality. What i really hate is people talking either country up, because for whatever reason it is in their interest to do so. There’s been far to much of that in Spain for far to long, and has no doubt done much of the damage. Let’s just have the truth, there’s been so many lies.

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    Like i said it’s rubbish here in Spain Goodstich44, people living in cloud cockoo land and playing golf on empty golf courses.

    Please don’t come Goodstich44 you would hate it.

    Now where are those empty golf courses……

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    @mg wrote:

    Why has Spain lost its charm. Because too many expats have gone there because they think it is cheaper, and give little to the economy.

    What a rubbish statement. If ex-pats have bought property, pay taxes, are employed there and buy goods there, then of course they have contributed to the economy just as much as any Spanish person..

    I can agree with your sentiments about Spain Paul. When we have a holiday there we thoroughly enjoy it for all the same reasons as many people. We think how great it would be to live there many months of the year. Then reality sets in and we know from experience we could never rest easy in case our property was suddenly declared illegal . We don’t trust the “system” in Spain.

    But as with any holiday, it is fun and rest, it is not everyday life, and the plane awaits!

    We have quite a few friends living in Spain . At the moment, it is not all rosy as their retirement income comes from the UK. One friend we spoke to at the w/end said he is OK as he locked into a 1.44 euro rate for two years. His golfing partners didn’t and they are really feeling the pinch. They cannot afford to play on the golf courses so often.

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    @p800aul wrote:

    Like i said it’s rubbish here in Spain Goodstich44, people living in cloud cockoo land and playing golf on empty golf courses.

    Please don’t come Goodstich44 you would hate it.

    Now where are those empty golf courses……

    You clearly don’t believe me…your experience is a two week snapshot around the school holiday time. I am not going to do your research for you, suppose you do pick up the golf news at your club, read it and past issues if it is online. A few years ago it would have been impossible to book on a (decent) course unless done weeks in advance. I am not going to continue this distraction anymore as it is only an example of the big picture, I don’t do or respond to sarcasm πŸ™„

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    M.G
    Ex Pats have and are taking their money out of the U.K.
    If anyone wants to see a country thats lost its charm then the good ole U.K tops the lot.
    Perhaps those that dont like the country they live in should move.
    Cant wait πŸ˜†

    Just Frank 8)

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    @Just Frank wrote:

    M.G
    If anyone wants to see a country thats lost its charm then the good ole U.K tops the lot.
    Perhaps those that dont like the country they live in should move.

    I agree with that Frank, but move to where? πŸ˜• Where hasn’t got problems? At least in the UK we know our house is our own and that cannot be disputed.

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    Just Frank wrote:
    If anyone wants to see a country thats lost its charm then the good ole U.K tops the lot.

    U.K. is a paradise to live in, as compared to Spain. The salaries in Spain are miserable as compared to the ones in UK and the cost of living is almost identical.

    Spain is good for holidays or for retirement or for people who love the Sun. I am satisfied with 2-3 holiday in the Sun per year and Spain is the perfect place for those 2-3 weeks.

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    Hi Claire πŸ™‚
    Dont know the answer to that one gal but Spain would be a fair choice IF IF IF they could get their act together and its the reasons we post on the forums
    Its just so sad to see this U.K country going to the pits as the area I live has changed beyond any reasonable level in only the past 10 years.

    Just Frank 8)

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    Hi Claire

    The title of this thread is “Is Spanish tourism suffering because of the strength of the Euro.” So I agree if you’ve retired here and your pension is tied to the Pound then it may not be as good as it was. It’s hard to deny that Spain if you do it right is good value even now.

    Hi Katy

    I’m sure that you have read in the newspapers that times are hard and friends are few. I’m just saying it not the way it appears to me or others I talk to. I’m here 12 weeks a year and the expats (club members) I play with most of the time will only play at the first tee time available (7.45 am this week) because they don’t want to spend five hours on a golf course behind the very tourists that are not coming to play golf according to “golf news.” Not just school holidays year round, plus why would the guys I met yesterday play in the school holiday paying the inflated prices I paid for flights if Spain is still not good value?

    Anyway a proper answer to the original question…..

    No, not much!

    Regards

    Paul

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    Paul,
    I’m sure if you asked a any person living/working in Spain “Is Spanish tourism suffering because of the strength of the Euro.” and whose livelihood depends on tourism, they would not agree with your answer! It is very early in the holiday season. Maybe we should revisit this thread in October.

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    I think Frank has the best answer so far:
    “The reason they may stay in the U.K is because of a credit crunch, people are worried and holidays in general may not be on a priority list until it clears”.

    In my opinion the credit crunch problems will have a far greater impact on this year’s tourism numbers in Spain rather than the terrible rate of exchange Β£/euro, but it will definitely compound the problem.

    Where I am in Greece, holiday numbers have increased year on year with last Summer the best ever. On the strength of that, in our village many restaurants/cafes/shops have refurbished and new ones opened in the last few months in preparation….and hope…. for an even better season than last year. Will be interesting to see whether the numbers do increase yet again. If they do (and if Spain fares badly) then we’ll know it’s nothing to do with the strong euro.

    Nothing to do with the price of potatoes, but I see that estate agencies on the Costa del Sol are meeting on Thursday to discuss the future of the sector in the area. Would be interesting to be a fly on that wall.
    Inez, are you going??

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    Hi all you doom mongers πŸ˜†

    Now if this is going to be a true Spanish Property Insight and you want to base everything on reports then you really do have to take all reports on board.
    Whats happened to the 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% + falls. πŸ˜•
    It was always going to be the idiots that were asking stupid prices for their property that would see falls.

    NOW ALL SOME OF US NEED IS A LEGAL PROPERTY. πŸ˜† πŸ‘Ώ

    Go on you moaners fill yer boots . πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    Elviria is such a dreadful place.illegal property/property worthless and only an idiot would complete there. πŸ˜†

    BEST EVER SALES πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    GIVE IT TIME AND I FEEL WE SHOULD BE O.K. πŸ˜†

    Costa del Sol – East Marbella Property
    2008 report

    This report was prepared by Engel & VΓΆlkers, a real estate agency with offices in many of Spain’s most popular destinations. It is reproduced here with permission. More information on Englel & VΓΆlkers

    East Marbella Property
    This much sought-after area, which is located only 20 minutes drive from MΓ‘laga Airport and 15 minutes from the centre of Marbella, is renowned for some of the best beaches on the coast, the green environment with many pine forests, exclusive beach clubs, luxury five star hotels and excellent golf courses. It is also a long established and established residential area.

    Last year, the local office, which is based in Elviria, recorded its best year ever with sales up by 50%. Currently the market is stable recording a slight increase of approximately 5% in prices for villas and about the same percentage for apartments. Newly built properties of good qualities are much sought-after.

    The amount of luxurious apartments and penthouses available for sale is limited and the demand is higher than the supply. Properties with unrealistic prices stay on the market for longer.

    The most requested properties are villas, penthouses and luxurious, spacious apartments with average prices for an apartment in good quality of around €4 400.000 € up to €1.8 million euros for a villa. Most property has, to date, been selling within a year, although property valued above €3 million will take longer to sell.

    The most popular locations are beside or close to the beach and/or at golf courses.

    The market is multi-national here with Spanish (25%), Germans (25%), British (15%), Irish (10%), Scandinavians (10%) and Benelux 10%. The average spend tends to be high with all nationalities spending over €1 million apart from the Spanish, who will spend on average under €1 million.

    There is a large family market especially due to the excellent international schools in the area, which also attracts the retired market due to the tranquillity and the fantastic infrastructure. Approximately 40% of buyers use their property as their first residence.

    The most popular areas are Hacienda Las Chapas, Los Monteros and Elviria and the local office advises buyers, who are looking for opportunities, to focus on the areas of Marbesa and El Rosario.

    The local office situated in Elviria is looking forward to a stable market in 2008.The mid to upper market segment remains unaffected. Clients are well informed about the market and prices. Good quality properties, the excellent infrastructure of the area as well as the proximity to the city centre are major attractions for property buyers.

    However, clients who need to buy with a mortgage will find financing more difficult this year as bank valuations are now very strict and banks are following more rigid lending criteria than before. However, as Engel & VΓΆlkers is a large multi national company with a worldwide network it is well placed to promote to all markets.

    QUALITY NEW DEVELOPMENTS
    Only the best will do + more

    East Marbella Property Prices
    Type av. price € price increase 2006 VS. 2007 AV SALE PERIOD IN MONTHS
    Villa with views, 4 bed, 350m2 1.800.000 € 5,5 % 12 months
    Villa no views, 4 bed, 350m2 1.300.000 € No change 12 months
    Apartment with views, 2 bed, 100m2 400.000 € No change 12 months
    Apartment no views, 2 bed, 100m2 300.000 € – 6,25 % 12 months
    Country house, 3 bed, 350m2 700.000 € No change 12 months
    Townhouse, 3 bed, 180m2 600.000 € No change 12 months
    Plot m2 350 € No change 12 months

    Back to top

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    Frank, It’s REA hype, you should know that. It’s what you do best. πŸ˜‰
    I had mail from them ( Englel & VΓΆlkers )this morning wanting to sell my house that isn’t for sale + telling me about their Spanish property deals. I would quote it but it is in the shredder.
    It makes Marks report look rubbish. Who to belive??? πŸ˜†

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    I did quote (from Diario sur) that official tourism figures for Jan showed a 10% drop in UK visitors compared with Jan last year. Bit too early to blame the currency though πŸ™‚

    Paul, I did agree that santa maria is usually busy..one swallow does not make a summer πŸ˜‰ As I said we are a member of a golf course, husband plays inter-club matches…there is a general concensus amongst ex-pat players (some of them who work in the golf courses) that they are well down on filling the slots, despite putting on lots of promotions and offers.

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    Elviria is such a dreadful place.illegal property/property worthless and only an idiot would complete there.

    Too many idiots around. πŸ˜‰

    BEST EVER SALES

    That wouldn’t be difficult to say!
    They would probably only need to sell one property to make a 100% difference to their figures. πŸ˜†

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    Frank, Engel and Volkers deal mainly with the luxury end of the market. Who believes agents bumff anyway πŸ˜€ I can say as I drive around Elviria that this agents signs have been on a few properties for more than a year!

    Agree about Elviria being a good area to own (if its legal πŸ˜‰ ) I have lived in 4 different areas here and its the best. My part is occupied by at least 50% spanish professionals, no holidaymakers coming and going every few weeks. 8)

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    @Just Frank wrote:

    It was always going to be the idiots that were asking stupid prices for their property that would see falls.

    Some of these idiots are definitely the developers who got carried away with their asking prices, riding on the back of the ‘boom’.
    Considering some of these appartments are like tiny boxes with asking prices of around 400,000e, they must have been playing the game of ‘think of a number and double it’.

    I agree that Elviria is a beautiful spot which is why we bought there. I just thank goodness the corruption scandal hit when it did otherwise given a few more years the developers would have ruined there as well.

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    Considering some of these appartments are like tiny boxes with asking prices of around 400,000e, they must have been playing the game of ‘think of a number and double it’.

    Exactly Charlie this is what is happening in the service sector too. πŸ™‚

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    Ladies
    HERE YOU GO AGAIN πŸ˜†
    Now can you tell me why you would listen and post on every single negative report from any hearsay or newspaper in Spain but as soon as anything relating to anything positive is posted it must be untrue. πŸ˜•
    Mark is not some super human person who gets it right all of the time.no one does, his reports covers Spain overall and relies on information from a wide source much like many of us.You have to or there is no balanced veiw.
    Look at the whole report and it dosent relay that everthing is rosey it clearly shows that some areas are worse effected than others.
    Claire 50 % up may indeed be 2 propertiies instead of 1 but its still more and with the state of the habitation licences and corruption then I am suprised that there is anythng positive at all to report at the moment.
    You could say that about property sales being 50% down ?
    As Paul says new cafes are opening and with limited new builds in the future lets hope the slack will be taken up in this area when and if the habitation licences get issued.
    Just Frank 8) The idiot that signed as he didnt want to loose 100,000 Euros, when there were mortgages available and the Euro was 1.49. πŸ˜†
    Obtained a good discount and ended up with an apartment much bigger than on the plans.
    Now I might loose the 100 K sometime in the future but I just may not πŸ˜† and until I do I will just have to use this property in such an awefull dump area as somewhere to holiday in. πŸ˜†
    If they decide to knock down buildings in Elviria then I will have to line up for compensation.
    Katy πŸ™‚ Glad you like the area and you have many Spanish neighbours,thats a problem I have right now ,I dont have many neighbours at all πŸ˜₯
    Still plenty of room in the pools I suppose πŸ˜†
    Just Frank 8)

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    Totally agree Charlie
    Thankfully they were stopped in their tracks or that area would have been another Calahona/ Benelmadana etc.
    Doing the same now in Manilva.Duquesa area with no infrastucture to cover.
    Agree also that the developers didnt stop the clock with the prices at 400-500 K + for an 85 sq m2 but there were people that just kept buying so do you blame them .

    Just Frank 8)

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    @Just Frank wrote:

    HERE YOU GO AGAIN πŸ˜†
    Now can you tell me why you would listen and post on every single negative report from any hearsay or newspaper in Spain …….

    It’s to counteract all the hearsay and propoganda you post from REA’s annual reports. πŸ˜‰

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    Charlie πŸ˜†

    Tut Tut .This was part on Mark the editors monthly report and being the sort that looks outside of the box I just though some would like to look at whats inside πŸ˜†

    Just Frank 8)

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    Oops. πŸ™‚
    No offense Mark, but why are you posting propganda from REA’s annual reports?? πŸ˜‰

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    Ooops πŸ˜†
    Perhaps ,Charlie he is trying to get a balance report to give a total view of the market . πŸ˜†

    Just Frank 8)

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    Gosh πŸ˜†
    Found another report which echos the last and guess where they say properties are still selling πŸ˜†
    Now remind me but is this not a company that the editor gives his approval too πŸ˜†

    Claire πŸ™‚ Perhaps some of us are not idiots after all πŸ˜‰

    Just Frank 8)

    On very dodgy ground and thinks he can get away with it as its all part of Marks report for March 2008 πŸ˜†

    Alanda Estates, the newest division of Alanda Homes on the Costa del Sol opened its doors for business late 2007, located within the popular and long established Alanda Club Marbella resort, Elviria, just outside Marbella.

    Alanda Estates is yet another division of the already highly successful Irish owned company Mc Inerney Holdings PLC which has being operating on the Costa del Sol for more than 20 years. The key business idea behind Alanda Estates is to service clients who are located within the resort and immediate area of Elviria, where property sales are still in demand. Using πŸ˜† a combination of Inmo Network properties, individual listings and properties listed from our popular developments Alanda Flamingos, Tee5, Alanda Club Marbella & Carib Playa, Alanda Estates has a wide range of product to suit any client who walks through the door.

    Desmond O’Connor, MD of Alanda Homes explains β€œAs the property market changes on the Costa del Sol our industry has to adapt to meet the new market demands, we discovered some time ago through market research that the majority of our clients who came to us directly were aware that we were part of the Mc Inerney PLC, Irelands largest home builder.

    This gave them extra confidence when looking at our developments. But we noticed a gap in our product cycle as many clients voiced that although we were the right company to deal with, our particular developments did not necessarily suited their needs or lifestyle requirements for one reason or another. Thus we took the opportunity to open Alanda Estates, where now we can offer the service of Alanda Homes but with the added advantage of accessing all approved developments and properties on the Costa del Sol, from Nerja to Sotogrande”

    Some might feel that opening a real estate office during this current property climate is a little foolhardy, yet Alanda Estates is located with the Alanda Club Marbella, which is operated by McInerney PLC. The majority of the guests at the resort are repeat visitors, many of them are also looking to purchase a holiday home here on the Costa del Sol and therefore it only makes sense for them to drop into yet another branch of the Alanda Group were they can make an inquiry in confidence and knowledge that Alanda Homes will be around for some time to come in Spain!

    March 2008

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    Surely you do not believe all this agents stuff 😯 Why do you think many agents have closed?

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    Katy πŸ™‚
    Read again.This one has just opened. ❓
    I believe the agents just about the same as the newspapers and the financial guroooos.
    Why do people choose to believe either neither or both.
    On the forums we get a negative newspaper report or hearsay and everyone agrees but even when it forms part of the Editors monthly report anything positive its slaughtered.
    Just never worked it out why some just wish for and enjoy bad news.

    Just Frank 8)

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    Frank, read again πŸ˜‰
    The article about Alanda Estates says “ADVERTISEMENT” in the top left hand corner. Mark gets revenue from advertisers. The forum cannot run on fresh air!

    It’s sales hype as I said earlier.

  • #80598
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    Claire πŸ˜‰
    As I said I think that this company gets general approval.
    They open what appears to be a new estate agency while the old ones that may have been involved in sordid issues go belly up.
    Now we have to admitt that somewhere all of this mess must be sorted to begin the long recovery thats going to be needed.
    Corruption must be sorted,legals on property must be sorted to get confidence back to the market and its going to be down to many having to identify positive signs no matter how small.
    Personally if and when the government is going to start hauling themselves out of this mess it will start in Marbella .WHY because Marbella sells news.
    The other report is from another E.A group that appears to not be talking the market up any more than some are talking the market down.
    I dont trust newspapers ,hearsay.gossip on forum or the financial wizzards
    and for that matter estate agents.
    However many do believe just what they want to believe and if thats negatives ,negatives only I dont have any problem with that.
    Now if Elviria in your eyes is soooo bad then just perhaps you need to look at many other areas which I am sure would open the ole eyes a
    little πŸ˜‰

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80602
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    I think Elviria is a fab place to buy a LEGAL property. After all our research, it was the place we wanted to buy in.

    I dont trust newspapers ,hearsay.gossip on forum or the financial wizzards
    and for that matter estate agents.

    Who do you trust /believe?
    You are an estate agent ,:wink:

  • #80603
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    Claire πŸ˜‰
    Your not supposed to spoil things with that teeny weeny problem that I have with an ILLEGAL property.( well in one sectors opinion,ie the ones that are trying to make some money out of a sick situation.)
    The fact that they could knock it down appears the same as thousands of other properties in Spain even with the legal papers.
    Lets say if I had to be caught with me pants down I would rather it be in one of the better areas.
    The development is finished (well the bottom anyway and have that to be thankful for that)
    Have a couple of mates in Manilva,completed.no drains.air con.furniture all paid for all cash and have been told that the block has neen built to close to the road. 😈 crap build smaller than on the plans with no kitchens of any use anyway.
    The best news ME and many could wish for is to have the ole licences issued and as I mentioned before Sept seems a date to deliver but there again this is Spain so cant say which year, πŸ˜•
    Then and only then can we move forward and have control over our future which they took away.
    Didnt understand the E,A bit and confirm I trust little of what I read as motives of many including governments as pointed out by Charlie in The U.S.A last week can change things from bad to good as well as good to bad.
    You just changed yer post and no I am not an estate agent πŸ˜₯

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80608
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    Just Frank wrote:
    Katy πŸ™‚

    Just never worked it out why some just wish for and enjoy bad news.

    What are the bad news? That house prices are crashing??

    This should be source of joy because it means a return to normality.

  • #80614
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    ralita

    the reason for crashing, is because nobody wants the bloody things. Do you think that’s healthy?

  • #80615
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    @ralita wrote:

    U.K. is a paradise to live in, as compared to Spain. The salaries in Spain are miserable as compared to the ones in UK and the cost of living is almost identical.

    not according to any cost of living surveys that I’ve read for 2007.

    @goodstich44 wrote:

    ralita

    the reason for crashing, is because nobody wants the bloody things. Do you think that’s healthy?

    correction: nobody wants them at the asking price. And no-one likes to hear that their palace values more like a squat.

    The Euro will affect tourism. Maybe not the amount of people that are traveling down here, but their spending power.
    But then again i find that on average brits complain about it getting expensive here. But that to be expected when you go into an expat cafe and ask for a ham & cheese toastie and pay 4€, whereas a few doors down you can go into a local tapas bar and order 3 tapas for the same price. (generalization)
    Ethnic food restaurants are ment to be cheaper than the native restaurants NOT more expensive.

  • #80618
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    Ralita
    OF COURSE PRICES ARE FALLING AND YOU DONT NEED TO BE A FINANCIAL GURU TO REALISE THAT, this will please many and note that one report this morning had U.K prices falling by 2.5% last month alone.
    NOW LETS GET REAL.
    PRICES WILL FALL IN SPAIN as they will in many other countries.
    They will look like they are falling in Spain by a higher margin as ASKING ❓ prices were and are not realistic.
    IF paid 300.000 euros gross and I sell for 280.000 then I can consider I have lost X % now if I were to put my property on the market at 400,000 which a couple of my neighbours have then it could be said they lost X%
    The euro is causing a problem at the moment as are interest rates, the availabilty to get credit for a mortgage in many countries at the moment are causing big problems.
    All markets will find a value at some point,it always has done and always will do.different areas will be effected worse than others.
    All of the doom and gloom reports are not going to make the slighest difference as in reality no one can forcast the future however its clear that for some its going to be very difficult in many countries.
    SPAIN IS NOT ALONE WITH ITS PROBLEMS DESPITE WHAT SOME ON THE FORUMS WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80762
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    The pound has just sunk to a new low against the euro not seen since the end of 1996.
    I agree with Fuengi that this is bound to affect the spending power of British tourists to Spain (those that make it this year).

  • #80620
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    The pound has just sunk to a new low against the euro not seen since the end of 1996.
    I agree with Fuengi that this is bound to affect the spending power of British tourists to Spain (those that make it this year).

  • #80764
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    Just Frank wrote:
    SPAIN IS NOT ALONE WITH ITS PROBLEMS DESPITE WHAT SOME ON THE FORUMS WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE.

    Of course not. USA leads the way for the moment. Others (including Spain and possibly UK) will follow.

  • #80621
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    Just Frank wrote:
    SPAIN IS NOT ALONE WITH ITS PROBLEMS DESPITE WHAT SOME ON THE FORUMS WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE.

    Of course not. USA leads the way for the moment. Others (including Spain and possibly UK) will follow.

  • #80768
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    Morning Folks, Charlie, sorry I missed your question/posting on page 2 of this thread.

    Yes the exchange rate is affecting tourism, but people tend to book late nowadays anyway. This has been happening for years and peeps will hold out, then the doom and gloom violence and rubbish we read about the UK and its wonderful thieving leaders and then decide they deserve a break. As its a euro/sterling thing, no matter wher one decides to holiday in europe its going to cost, therefore the only decision will be where!

    The last few years have seen a surge in Bulgaria, cypurs etc and tourism is cycular, SO perhaps we will see people coming back to Spain once all the cheap deals start advertising.

    There has been an increase this week – UK half Term so perhaps an indication.

    No I wont be going to the thursday meeting as it will be full of the usual everything is wonderful in the garden nonsense and luckily I have no time for it. Too busy taking properties on for auction, advising sellers/buyers and fending off the developers who are now in their droves having to sell stuff.

    Oh and doing my bit for the international newspapers in the way of articles about the market and credit crunch effects

    Some very interesting stuff going on really. It wont be the death knell for Spain and there are loads of buyers – unfortunately their offers are not matching the sellers needs!

    And its bloom raining today AGAIN! Bring on Global warming and the drought!!!

  • #80623
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    Morning Folks, Charlie, sorry I missed your question/posting on page 2 of this thread.

    Yes the exchange rate is affecting tourism, but people tend to book late nowadays anyway. This has been happening for years and peeps will hold out, then the doom and gloom violence and rubbish we read about the UK and its wonderful thieving leaders and then decide they deserve a break. As its a euro/sterling thing, no matter wher one decides to holiday in europe its going to cost, therefore the only decision will be where!

    The last few years have seen a surge in Bulgaria, cypurs etc and tourism is cycular, SO perhaps we will see people coming back to Spain once all the cheap deals start advertising.

    There has been an increase this week – UK half Term so perhaps an indication.

    No I wont be going to the thursday meeting as it will be full of the usual everything is wonderful in the garden nonsense and luckily I have no time for it. Too busy taking properties on for auction, advising sellers/buyers and fending off the developers who are now in their droves having to sell stuff.

    Oh and doing my bit for the international newspapers in the way of articles about the market and credit crunch effects

    Some very interesting stuff going on really. It wont be the death knell for Spain and there are loads of buyers – unfortunately their offers are not matching the sellers needs!

    And its bloom raining today AGAIN! Bring on Global warming and the drought!!!

  • #80774
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    Ralita πŸ™‚
    So we agree its pretty crap everywhere then. πŸ˜†
    I really do feel that big loosers will be those with unfinished developments in Spain.( People like me possibly πŸ˜₯ )
    No Bank guarantees (had one )and people not completing or paying management fees is a real problem that is going to raise its head.
    I know we have raised this issue before but as time goes on the maintanance companies are already running at a loss and developments will get into a poor state of repair.
    These developments will loose whatever appeal they had and no one will buy at any price unless it social housing perhaps.
    Many are not paying fees as a sort of payback to the Spanish system that they feel robbed them ,however feel that many will have shot themselves in the foot as a way out in the future is to make the developments more appealing than the next to sell.
    Bank valuations will fall and some developments will be difficult to borrow against and this is or can be described as having the head firmly in the sand.
    Now I know I try to post positives to try to balance things out due to many postings being based on predictions.( GUESSES πŸ˜‰ )
    THIS IS HAPPENING NOW and thats when I personally get interested as this is fact .
    Feel this is a sleeping giant thats proving a very big problem indeed and as big as any we bring to the forum on a regular basis.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80626
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    Ralita πŸ™‚
    So we agree its pretty crap everywhere then. πŸ˜†
    I really do feel that big loosers will be those with unfinished developments in Spain.( People like me possibly πŸ˜₯ )
    No Bank guarantees (had one )and people not completing or paying management fees is a real problem that is going to raise its head.
    I know we have raised this issue before but as time goes on the maintanance companies are already running at a loss and developments will get into a poor state of repair.
    These developments will loose whatever appeal they had and no one will buy at any price unless it social housing perhaps.
    Many are not paying fees as a sort of payback to the Spanish system that they feel robbed them ,however feel that many will have shot themselves in the foot as a way out in the future is to make the developments more appealing than the next to sell.
    Bank valuations will fall and some developments will be difficult to borrow against and this is or can be described as having the head firmly in the sand.
    Now I know I try to post positives to try to balance things out due to many postings being based on predictions.( GUESSES πŸ˜‰ )
    THIS IS HAPPENING NOW and thats when I personally get interested as this is fact .
    Feel this is a sleeping giant thats proving a very big problem indeed and as big as any we bring to the forum on a regular basis.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80784
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    This is a copy of a poll in the LSE site

    User Poll
    When do you think there will be parity between the Sterling and the Euro?

    Within 6 months 2 (3%)

    This year 12 (19%)

    By 2010 17 (27%)

    Never 30 (49%)

    Votes: 61

  • #80631
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    This is a copy of a poll in the LSE site

    User Poll
    When do you think there will be parity between the Sterling and the Euro?

    Within 6 months 2 (3%)

    This year 12 (19%)

    By 2010 17 (27%)

    Never 30 (49%)

    Votes: 61

  • #80792
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    I heard today (on the car radio so I missed the source) that someone has said the property bubble (burst) will be far worse in Spain than the USA.

  • #80635
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    katy
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    I heard today (on the car radio so I missed the source) that someone has said the property bubble (burst) will be far worse in Spain than the USA.

  • #80798
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    Doesnt take a genius does it!

  • #80638
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    Doesnt take a genius does it!

  • #80640
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    katy wrote:
    I heard today (on the car radio so I missed the source) that someone has said the property bubble (burst) will be far worse in Spain than the USA.

    USA has regions like Pennsylvania, Kentucky or Ohio where there was no bubble.

    I am not sure if such a region exists in Spain so the bursts will indeed be far worse.

    Besides, USA has a good industry and have something to fall on. Spain might have counted too much on construction sector. If all hell breaks loose, Spain will go through a nightmare period.

  • #80802
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    katy wrote:
    I heard today (on the car radio so I missed the source) that someone has said the property bubble (burst) will be far worse in Spain than the USA.

    USA has regions like Pennsylvania, Kentucky or Ohio where there was no bubble.

    I am not sure if such a region exists in Spain so the bursts will indeed be far worse.

    Besides, USA has a good industry and have something to fall on. Spain might have counted too much on construction sector. If all hell breaks loose, Spain will go through a nightmare period.

  • #80642
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    Katy – it was Alan Greenspan, the ex-head of the Federal Reserve.

    Wouldn’t go too much by what he says……he also said that the crisis in the subprime high risk mortgage sector “is due to an error in calculation” .
    Next, they’ll blame the calculators.

  • #80806
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    Katy – it was Alan Greenspan, the ex-head of the Federal Reserve.

    Wouldn’t go too much by what he says……he also said that the crisis in the subprime high risk mortgage sector “is due to an error in calculation” .
    Next, they’ll blame the calculators.

  • #80651
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    Wow

    What fun, all because someone asked if the tourist will stay away this year. It’s true that if people are told they are poorer or will be poorer this year they will stop spending. My line of work brings me in contact with Pubs, Bars, Restaurants and High Street retail and they are all gonna suffer this year due to their customers “feeling” poorer whether they are or not. Even so people in general will still try very hard to go away and Spain is very good value compared to either others in the euro zone or cheaper to fly to than other non euro destinations.

    We also forget that flights are in GBPs and if you are careful you could still pay for your apartment in GBP leaving only your spending money in Euros. So the extra could be no more than Β£200.

    Anyway there is a certain part of the northerner of me that still wants to say it’s grim here (it has rained today) don’t come to Spain. Much as i still tell southerners not to come north of Watford Gap as its “Grim up North” hopefully they will never come and find out I was lying.

    Regards

    Paul

  • #80824
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    Wow

    What fun, all because someone asked if the tourist will stay away this year. It’s true that if people are told they are poorer or will be poorer this year they will stop spending. My line of work brings me in contact with Pubs, Bars, Restaurants and High Street retail and they are all gonna suffer this year due to their customers “feeling” poorer whether they are or not. Even so people in general will still try very hard to go away and Spain is very good value compared to either others in the euro zone or cheaper to fly to than other non euro destinations.

    We also forget that flights are in GBPs and if you are careful you could still pay for your apartment in GBP leaving only your spending money in Euros. So the extra could be no more than Β£200.

    Anyway there is a certain part of the northerner of me that still wants to say it’s grim here (it has rained today) don’t come to Spain. Much as i still tell southerners not to come north of Watford Gap as its “Grim up North” hopefully they will never come and find out I was lying.

    Regards

    Paul

  • #80652
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    Had friends round this evening for drinks (live in the UK) they said they found spain very boring when there is bad weather. Paul, you say that spain is very good value compared with other European countries but about a week ago the Daily Mail did a chart of some holiday costs, Spain, Italy and France. Coffee and I think beer came out cheaper but the price of a 3 course meal came out higher for Spain as did a few other things such as sun tan oil.

  • #80826
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    Had friends round this evening for drinks (live in the UK) they said they found spain very boring when there is bad weather. Paul, you say that spain is very good value compared with other European countries but about a week ago the Daily Mail did a chart of some holiday costs, Spain, Italy and France. Coffee and I think beer came out cheaper but the price of a 3 course meal came out higher for Spain as did a few other things such as sun tan oil.

  • #80653
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    Katy

    Hmmm….. someone once said only the boring get bored, we are far from bored. I have two daughters and a wife and there is more shopping here than you can shake a stick at. Plus i think there is a certain amount of irony in watching sea-lions and dolphins perform in the rain. Golf to practice for me (I could do that all day if it wasn’t for shopping.)

    A three course meal is cheaper in Italy than Spain, really they have got to be kidding. Don’t read the Daily Mail for what would now appear to be obvious reasons.

    Come on Katy the fresh food here is for free compared to the UK that’s all food fish, meat, fruit and veg. And it tastes of FOOD!! I’m not being mean or rude to you or anyone else but we love Spain, if people don’t like it thats fine with us. I just think there are more people like us than those that think Spain is rubbish.

    Regards

    Paul

  • #80828
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    Katy

    Hmmm….. someone once said only the boring get bored, we are far from bored. I have two daughters and a wife and there is more shopping here than you can shake a stick at. Plus i think there is a certain amount of irony in watching sea-lions and dolphins perform in the rain. Golf to practice for me (I could do that all day if it wasn’t for shopping.)

    A three course meal is cheaper in Italy than Spain, really they have got to be kidding. Don’t read the Daily Mail for what would now appear to be obvious reasons.

    Come on Katy the fresh food here is for free compared to the UK that’s all food fish, meat, fruit and veg. And it tastes of FOOD!! I’m not being mean or rude to you or anyone else but we love Spain, if people don’t like it thats fine with us. I just think there are more people like us than those that think Spain is rubbish.

    Regards

    Paul

  • #80654
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    Depends on your lifestyle in the UK. The shops in Spain don’t even come close to those here in the UK.

  • #80830
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    Depends on your lifestyle in the UK. The shops in Spain don’t even come close to those here in the UK.

  • #80655
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    Golf practice in this rain 😯 Shopping…I love shopping but it does sort of get the same ole. Sea Lions…now thats a new one! or are you refering to the place at Benalamadena. Know what you mean about the Mail but what would they have to gain by putting spain third πŸ˜• Spanish fresh food..tastes ok. read about the use of phosphates scandal..no probably you haven’t. Or all the peppers, advocados tomatoes and god knows what else that are cultivated without soil in almeria, just fed on chemicals. Spain is no worse or better than any other european country. Oh er…much of he fish is now bought in…even from Canada…do catch up!

  • #80832
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    Golf practice in this rain 😯 Shopping…I love shopping but it does sort of get the same ole. Sea Lions…now thats a new one! or are you refering to the place at Benalamadena. Know what you mean about the Mail but what would they have to gain by putting spain third πŸ˜• Spanish fresh food..tastes ok. read about the use of phosphates scandal..no probably you haven’t. Or all the peppers, advocados tomatoes and god knows what else that are cultivated without soil in almeria, just fed on chemicals. Spain is no worse or better than any other european country. Oh er…much of he fish is now bought in…even from Canada…do catch up!

  • #80656
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    Claire πŸ™‚
    Have yo been to the new Hypercor on the Mijas Costa πŸ˜†
    La Canada or Eroski.
    Now I dont know where you live but they beat Berts cash and carry, Fag Ash LILS cafe or the Β£1 shop in town anyday.
    Still know a bar on the Costa del Sol that I can get a large beer for a Euro so priorities are sorted for me πŸ˜†

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80834
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    Claire πŸ™‚
    Have yo been to the new Hypercor on the Mijas Costa πŸ˜†
    La Canada or Eroski.
    Now I dont know where you live but they beat Berts cash and carry, Fag Ash LILS cafe or the Β£1 shop in town anyday.
    Still know a bar on the Costa del Sol that I can get a large beer for a Euro so priorities are sorted for me πŸ˜†

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80657
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    We do not stay near Marbella. We shop at El Ingenio, which is a great shopping mall. The Eroski supermarket is wonderful. Even my husband, who hates shopping with a passion, enjoys looking around there.You can also get a beer or coffee cheaply enough in Frigiliana. …BUT…even the shops in Marbella don’t match what I have on my doorstep! As Katy’s friends said. if it rains in Spain…it is very boring unless you have a good book to read!!

    Katy,…now I’m going to be worrying about what I’m eating next time we’re in Spain!! 😯

  • #80836
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    We do not stay near Marbella. We shop at El Ingenio, which is a great shopping mall. The Eroski supermarket is wonderful. Even my husband, who hates shopping with a passion, enjoys looking around there.You can also get a beer or coffee cheaply enough in Frigiliana. …BUT…even the shops in Marbella don’t match what I have on my doorstep! As Katy’s friends said. if it rains in Spain…it is very boring unless you have a good book to read!!

    Katy,…now I’m going to be worrying about what I’m eating next time we’re in Spain!! 😯

  • #80658
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    Just hate to be “la negativa” but two deaths of Mad Cows disease was reported today in Leon..and they expect more! Anyone want to buy a legal villa πŸ˜† Know what you mean about shopping, Kingston and Guilford and some others are better. Marbella is either el cheapo or Dior no middle of the road.

  • #80838
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    Just hate to be “la negativa” but two deaths of Mad Cows disease was reported today in Leon..and they expect more! Anyone want to buy a legal villa πŸ˜† Know what you mean about shopping, Kingston and Guilford and some others are better. Marbella is either el cheapo or Dior no middle of the road.

  • #80659
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    In humans Katy or bovine!!??? 😯

    Shopping…they are my locals Katy!

  • #80840
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    In humans Katy or bovine!!??? 😯

    Shopping…they are my locals Katy!

  • #80660
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    Humans yes, think one 30 something and the other in their fourtys. Do hate posting this stuff, someone will pop up and tell me to get back where I cam from..makes me feel like a pakistani πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜†

  • #80842
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    Humans yes, think one 30 something and the other in their fourtys. Do hate posting this stuff, someone will pop up and tell me to get back where I cam from..makes me feel like a pakistani πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜†

  • #80661
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    OMG, that’s very worrying. I didn’t know they had BSE in Spain.

  • #80844
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    OMG, that’s very worrying. I didn’t know they had BSE in Spain.

  • #80662
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    Claire

    bad news kept quiet,………. nothing new there then.

  • #80846
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    Claire

    bad news kept quiet,………. nothing new there then.

  • #80663
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    Mad Cows, now I understand πŸ˜‰

    My word Katy it’s a wonder you get through the day. You know i think i sussed your plan you want Spain all to yourself and to hell with the “new comers” and tourists.

    Yes I agree Katy it’s rubbish here you can’t move for mad cows, Canadian fish with fruit and veg full of chemicals. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

    And you call Frank for believing what he reads.

    Give me strength πŸ˜•

    Claire

    Just where do you live Bond Street?

  • #80848
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    Mad Cows, now I understand πŸ˜‰

    My word Katy it’s a wonder you get through the day. You know i think i sussed your plan you want Spain all to yourself and to hell with the “new comers” and tourists.

    Yes I agree Katy it’s rubbish here you can’t move for mad cows, Canadian fish with fruit and veg full of chemicals. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

    And you call Frank for believing what he reads.

    Give me strength πŸ˜•

    Claire

    Just where do you live Bond Street?

  • #80665
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    Claire

    what were you thinking?. You know full well that almost any bad news about Spain is not true, the negative parts of Marks report are just him being a ‘doommonger’, corruption is no worse in Spain than anywhere else. Most people who have come unstuck have only themselves to blame. And as for the so called dodgy agents and developers and lawyers, well they are just clever people we should admire, for taking advantage us all us idiots, believing what was written in our legal contracts, and trusting our lawyers. As for all the ruined coastline and half built/illegal/ugly flats, well that’s just been vastly exagerated as well, and again, is the fault of the stupid buyers.

    ………..give me strength!!

  • #80852
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    Claire

    what were you thinking?. You know full well that almost any bad news about Spain is not true, the negative parts of Marks report are just him being a ‘doommonger’, corruption is no worse in Spain than anywhere else. Most people who have come unstuck have only themselves to blame. And as for the so called dodgy agents and developers and lawyers, well they are just clever people we should admire, for taking advantage us all us idiots, believing what was written in our legal contracts, and trusting our lawyers. As for all the ruined coastline and half built/illegal/ugly flats, well that’s just been vastly exagerated as well, and again, is the fault of the stupid buyers.

    ………..give me strength!!

  • #80671
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    How can you be bored in Spain? There are masses of interesting places to see an visit. There are concerts ,theatres, galleries ,beautiful countryside.You can be bored anywhere in the world if you donΒ΄t have any interests more than sitting in a bar sipping whatever. Mind you I heard from someone, after having told them to see the Alhambra, that they were not impressed and where were the furniture. At least they could have put up some curtains. πŸ™„

  • #80864
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    How can you be bored in Spain? There are masses of interesting places to see an visit. There are concerts ,theatres, galleries ,beautiful countryside.You can be bored anywhere in the world if you donΒ΄t have any interests more than sitting in a bar sipping whatever. Mind you I heard from someone, after having told them to see the Alhambra, that they were not impressed and where were the furniture. At least they could have put up some curtains. πŸ™„

  • #80672
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    “after having told them to see the Alhambra, that they were not impressed and where were the furniture. At least they could have put up some curtains.”

    Laggan: It saddens me to read the above. How artistically, historically, creatively dead you have to be to come up with remarks like above. Perhaps next time you suggest them to go to Disney land.

  • #80866
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    “after having told them to see the Alhambra, that they were not impressed and where were the furniture. At least they could have put up some curtains.”

    Laggan: It saddens me to read the above. How artistically, historically, creatively dead you have to be to come up with remarks like above. Perhaps next time you suggest them to go to Disney land.

  • #80673
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    “corruption is no worse in Spain than anywhere else” – In so many Countries
    “Most people who have come unstuck have only themselves to blame” – Often the case.
    “And as for the so called dodgy agents and developers and lawyers, well they are just clever people” – Agree there.
    “we should admire” – Perhaps so, they are often very wealthy people.
    “us idiots” – Many often are. Only this week we overheard at airport people discussing how they could make money from what they have bought off-plan.
    “As for all the ruined coastline and half built/illegal/ugly flats, well that’s just been vastly exagerated as well, and again, is the fault of the stupid buyers.” – Yes, it is called supply and demand.

  • #80868
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    “corruption is no worse in Spain than anywhere else” – In so many Countries
    “Most people who have come unstuck have only themselves to blame” – Often the case.
    “And as for the so called dodgy agents and developers and lawyers, well they are just clever people” – Agree there.
    “we should admire” – Perhaps so, they are often very wealthy people.
    “us idiots” – Many often are. Only this week we overheard at airport people discussing how they could make money from what they have bought off-plan.
    “As for all the ruined coastline and half built/illegal/ugly flats, well that’s just been vastly exagerated as well, and again, is the fault of the stupid buyers.” – Yes, it is called supply and demand.

  • #80675
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    Same ole. Anyone who makes any comments about spain and boring the retort is “spending time in bars” and now the old myth about the alhambra! I heard that one about the Taj Majhal πŸ™„

    I have been so many times to Granada I am probably know more about the place than the official tourist guides. The countryside is beautiful (i overlook it), but, we are talking about when its raining. Kids in the UK, France netherlands etc get interactive museums and lots of other activities, here we rely on the weather.
    BTW I don’t “do” the bar lifestyle, except the odd glass or three on the beach at sunset πŸ‘Ώ

  • #80873
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    katy
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    Same ole. Anyone who makes any comments about spain and boring the retort is “spending time in bars” and now the old myth about the alhambra! I heard that one about the Taj Majhal πŸ™„

    I have been so many times to Granada I am probably know more about the place than the official tourist guides. The countryside is beautiful (i overlook it), but, we are talking about when its raining. Kids in the UK, France netherlands etc get interactive museums and lots of other activities, here we rely on the weather.
    BTW I don’t “do” the bar lifestyle, except the odd glass or three on the beach at sunset πŸ‘Ώ

  • #80676
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    Dear Katy, I was not, in any way, suggesting that you spent your time in bars.

  • #80875
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    Dear Katy, I was not, in any way, suggesting that you spent your time in bars.

  • #80677
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    Fortunately my kids have an imagination, I’ve just spent an hour walking with my six year old doing maths games (she been testing me).

    All I can say is life is what you make it, we are rarely bored, our children keep us busy, ask them what we should do and they always think of something (although I’ve just talked my 4 year old out of going swimming in the pool.) As a family we’ve not even had time yet to see the many interesting places laggen suggests including the bars (can’t do hangovers with children)

    Don’t know what else to say, if you don’t like it in Spain that’s fine don’t come or move somewhere else. If you like I can start a forum for you called http://www.ihatespain.co.uk (I’ll pay the Β£7.50 fee) and those that do can place their rants on there.

    Anyway going for a drive with a “picnic” the children can’t wait.

    cya

  • #80877
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    Fortunately my kids have an imagination, I’ve just spent an hour walking with my six year old doing maths games (she been testing me).

    All I can say is life is what you make it, we are rarely bored, our children keep us busy, ask them what we should do and they always think of something (although I’ve just talked my 4 year old out of going swimming in the pool.) As a family we’ve not even had time yet to see the many interesting places laggen suggests including the bars (can’t do hangovers with children)

    Don’t know what else to say, if you don’t like it in Spain that’s fine don’t come or move somewhere else. If you like I can start a forum for you called http://www.ihatespain.co.uk (I’ll pay the Β£7.50 fee) and those that do can place their rants on there.

    Anyway going for a drive with a “picnic” the children can’t wait.

    cya

  • #80679
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    mg

    once again, you make it clear you admire greedy and dishonest people, if it brings them wealth. I see them as lowest forms of life.

    Truth, honesty, sympathy………. just fools to you.

    Best agree to differ again i guess.

  • #80879
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    mg

    once again, you make it clear you admire greedy and dishonest people, if it brings them wealth. I see them as lowest forms of life.

    Truth, honesty, sympathy………. just fools to you.

    Best agree to differ again i guess.

  • #80680
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    Thanks for the offer Paul but think I will stay on SPI πŸ˜€

    Just been wondering what to do seeing as it is coming down in buckets! Walked the dogs early, cleaning them and the muddy shoes took a while. Went to the local shops, stopped for a coffee at paco’s place, he was mournfully putting a jar of lidl’s mayonnaise over yesterday’s tapas. He told me the tourists don’t come in much when they can get pie and chips or gammon and chips, a snip at 12 euros!

    Rang the tourist office for info’ on forthcoming events, she said sorry but they have a list for semana santa events if that will do. On the bright side the countryside is looking wonderful through the window and I can’t see any 2/2 boxes. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

    So, I will just have to continue to annoy (some) on here. Sorry Paul I aint leaving. Was going to start a good news thread but couldn’t find any…hang on did I just see a ray of sun……..

  • #80880
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    Thanks for the offer Paul but think I will stay on SPI πŸ˜€

    Just been wondering what to do seeing as it is coming down in buckets! Walked the dogs early, cleaning them and the muddy shoes took a while. Went to the local shops, stopped for a coffee at paco’s place, he was mournfully putting a jar of lidl’s mayonnaise over yesterday’s tapas. He told me the tourists don’t come in much when they can get pie and chips or gammon and chips, a snip at 12 euros!

    Rang the tourist office for info’ on forthcoming events, she said sorry but they have a list for semana santa events if that will do. On the bright side the countryside is looking wonderful through the window and I can’t see any 2/2 boxes. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰

    So, I will just have to continue to annoy (some) on here. Sorry Paul I aint leaving. Was going to start a good news thread but couldn’t find any…hang on did I just see a ray of sun……..

  • #80683
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    goodstich44, if that is what you wish to believe, so be it.
    I do feel that as usaual you consider that everyone else should be blamed, except the sometimes stupid and that you have resentment for companies making money, even by legal methods.
    If you have failings, just accept and realise there are 2 sides.

  • #80883
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    goodstich44, if that is what you wish to believe, so be it.
    I do feel that as usaual you consider that everyone else should be blamed, except the sometimes stupid and that you have resentment for companies making money, even by legal methods.
    If you have failings, just accept and realise there are 2 sides.

  • #80685
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    Goodstich, don’t respond MG is some sort of property consultant/agent involved in the spanish market and he is smarting.

  • #80885
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    Goodstich, don’t respond MG is some sort of property consultant/agent involved in the spanish market and he is smarting.

  • #80690
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    Hi Claire πŸ™‚
    If it worries you that much about what your eating in Spain then dont go there or take a pack lunch.
    If the shops are not so good as home then shop at home. πŸ˜‰

    Katy πŸ™‚
    Tell me your not the head of tourism as as you fly the flag of your adopted country with such a welcome attitude . πŸ˜•
    Is there any reason at all why you choose to live in a country you clearly hate. ❓ Why not move . πŸ˜‰

    Goodstich 44 πŸ™‚
    Dont know what you are trying to prove bud but the majority of people love Spain, are glad they have moved from this country.
    If they dont they move back πŸ™‚ Why is it you cant accept that.
    People holiday there year after year out of choice,they luv it. Why cant you accept that.

    WHY IS IT THAT AS SOON AS SOMEONE POSTS POSITIVES THEY ARE INSTANT TARGETS OF THE DOOM MONGERS.

    I have more problems than any of you but I try to balance things out a little as no place is perfect. πŸ˜†

    Oh BUGGER 😯 TIN HAT BIG TIME πŸ™„

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80890
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    Hi Claire πŸ™‚
    If it worries you that much about what your eating in Spain then dont go there or take a pack lunch.
    If the shops are not so good as home then shop at home. πŸ˜‰

    Katy πŸ™‚
    Tell me your not the head of tourism as as you fly the flag of your adopted country with such a welcome attitude . πŸ˜•
    Is there any reason at all why you choose to live in a country you clearly hate. ❓ Why not move . πŸ˜‰

    Goodstich 44 πŸ™‚
    Dont know what you are trying to prove bud but the majority of people love Spain, are glad they have moved from this country.
    If they dont they move back πŸ™‚ Why is it you cant accept that.
    People holiday there year after year out of choice,they luv it. Why cant you accept that.

    WHY IS IT THAT AS SOON AS SOMEONE POSTS POSITIVES THEY ARE INSTANT TARGETS OF THE DOOM MONGERS.

    I have more problems than any of you but I try to balance things out a little as no place is perfect. πŸ˜†

    Oh BUGGER 😯 TIN HAT BIG TIME πŸ™„

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80692
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    Katy πŸ™‚
    You sussed M.G too.
    Damaged goods and made biggy mistakes in the market.
    Its a way to vent yer frustration,well thats what the shrink told me πŸ˜†

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80892
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    Katy πŸ™‚
    You sussed M.G too.
    Damaged goods and made biggy mistakes in the market.
    Its a way to vent yer frustration,well thats what the shrink told me πŸ˜†

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80694
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    mg said

    ”you have resentment for companies making money, even by legal methods.”

    yet again, this is pure fantasy from you. I have never said that.

    I have much respect for companies making money through fair means, but not foul, as you seem to?

    As for failings, well yes, if trying to do business in an honest way, and believing in written contracts, checked by a lawyers is a failing, then i am guilty, along with many others. Hence much of the growing poor reputation and mess Spain is in. Some of us are sick of the lies. Others are happy with the profit from it!

    I think your major failing to know right from wrong, pails my failing in to insignificance.

  • #80894
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    mg said

    ”you have resentment for companies making money, even by legal methods.”

    yet again, this is pure fantasy from you. I have never said that.

    I have much respect for companies making money through fair means, but not foul, as you seem to?

    As for failings, well yes, if trying to do business in an honest way, and believing in written contracts, checked by a lawyers is a failing, then i am guilty, along with many others. Hence much of the growing poor reputation and mess Spain is in. Some of us are sick of the lies. Others are happy with the profit from it!

    I think your major failing to know right from wrong, pails my failing in to insignificance.

  • #80695
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    Why is everyone telling me to go…was it something I said 😯 πŸ˜†

    I would just like to see Spain get back on track and be like it was before the boom. Demolish many of the ugly illegal buildings (with full comp of course), better service, stop rip-off prices and change their anti-Brit attitude.

    Don’t know if it was this forum or another but a poster wrote “the Spanish sold all this property to Brits, some illegal others at greatly inflated prices but they don’t actually want us to live in them”!

  • #80895
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    Why is everyone telling me to go…was it something I said 😯 πŸ˜†

    I would just like to see Spain get back on track and be like it was before the boom. Demolish many of the ugly illegal buildings (with full comp of course), better service, stop rip-off prices and change their anti-Brit attitude.

    Don’t know if it was this forum or another but a poster wrote “the Spanish sold all this property to Brits, some illegal others at greatly inflated prices but they don’t actually want us to live in them”!

  • #80896
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    katy

    yes you’re right, best ignored with that foul attitude.

  • #80696
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    katy

    yes you’re right, best ignored with that foul attitude.

  • #80897
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    Just Frank

    wrong, i’m very happy for those decent people living in Spain in a situation they are happy with. What we wanted as much as anyone!

    It’s a great country, recently spoilt by a dreadfull system that allows many bad people to prosper, who should not have the right to do so. As a result, a ruined coastline, many unhappy buyers/sellers, and country with a fast failing reputation as a safe place to buy. (And no, of course it’s not alone in that.)

    All we need now are truth and facts, (however ugly) bought out in to the open, so that hopefully the rot can be stopped, and one day the country restored to its relative former glory, before the boom.

    No lies, no cover ups, no seing ‘balance’ where there is none. Just truth and repair!

  • #80697
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    Just Frank

    wrong, i’m very happy for those decent people living in Spain in a situation they are happy with. What we wanted as much as anyone!

    It’s a great country, recently spoilt by a dreadfull system that allows many bad people to prosper, who should not have the right to do so. As a result, a ruined coastline, many unhappy buyers/sellers, and country with a fast failing reputation as a safe place to buy. (And no, of course it’s not alone in that.)

    All we need now are truth and facts, (however ugly) bought out in to the open, so that hopefully the rot can be stopped, and one day the country restored to its relative former glory, before the boom.

    No lies, no cover ups, no seing ‘balance’ where there is none. Just truth and repair!

  • #80898
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    “don’t respond MG is some sort of property consultant/agent involved in the spanish market and he is smarting.” – Like so much from so many on this forum, little is based on fact and more on holding a grudge.
    Property Consultan/Agent in Spanish market. Silly girl. Please stick to facts and not assumptions, especially when you have things so wrong.

  • #80698
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    “don’t respond MG is some sort of property consultant/agent involved in the spanish market and he is smarting.” – Like so much from so many on this forum, little is based on fact and more on holding a grudge.
    Property Consultan/Agent in Spanish market. Silly girl. Please stick to facts and not assumptions, especially when you have things so wrong.

  • #80900
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    @katy wrote:

    I have been so many times to Granada I am probably know more about the place than the official tourist guides. The countryside is beautiful (i overlook it), but, we are talking about when its raining. Kids in the UK, France netherlands etc get interactive museums and lots of other activities, here we rely on the weather.

    yes we do.
    And that the reason why you have does activities in holland, UK, etc… For everyday of sunshine you have down here, you have a day of rain up north.

    And if you want fun things to do there is plenty for kids in malaga.

    these sites covers a lot of activites. (some of the links/sites seem to be still under contruction)
    http://www.info-on-marbella.com/

  • #80700
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    @katy wrote:

    I have been so many times to Granada I am probably know more about the place than the official tourist guides. The countryside is beautiful (i overlook it), but, we are talking about when its raining. Kids in the UK, France netherlands etc get interactive museums and lots of other activities, here we rely on the weather.

    yes we do.
    And that the reason why you have does activities in holland, UK, etc… For everyday of sunshine you have down here, you have a day of rain up north.

    And if you want fun things to do there is plenty for kids in malaga.

    these sites covers a lot of activites. (some of the links/sites seem to be still under contruction)
    http://www.info-on-marbella.com/

  • #80911
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    @goodstich44 wrote:

    Claire

    what were you thinking?. You know full well that almost any bad news about Spain is not true, the negative parts of Marks report are just him being a ‘doommonger’, corruption is no worse in Spain than anywhere else. Most people who have come unstuck have only themselves to blame. And as for the so called dodgy agents and developers and lawyers, well they are just clever people we should admire, for taking advantage us all us idiots, believing what was written in our legal contracts, and trusting our lawyers. As for all the ruined coastline and half built/illegal/ugly flats, well that’s just been vastly exagerated as well, and again, is the fault of the stupid buyers.

    ………..give me strength!!

    Hi Goodstitch, I know, you’d think I could learn the lesson by now! πŸ˜†

    Paul,

    No I don’t live in Bond Street, … but close. πŸ˜‰

    Frank I am concerned about what I eat anywhere. Oh, and we thoroughly enjoy our “packed” lunches on the beach in Spain. I most certainly do shop at home, my favourite hobby! πŸ˜€ The shoes in Majorca are fab though, and you cannot beat Italy for bags and shoes. Oh, and I don’t need your advice even if you are thinking of my welfare! πŸ˜†

    Katy, hang around, even if it is to annoy them…I do (on both counts)!! πŸ˜†

  • #80711
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    @goodstich44 wrote:

    Claire

    what were you thinking?. You know full well that almost any bad news about Spain is not true, the negative parts of Marks report are just him being a ‘doommonger’, corruption is no worse in Spain than anywhere else. Most people who have come unstuck have only themselves to blame. And as for the so called dodgy agents and developers and lawyers, well they are just clever people we should admire, for taking advantage us all us idiots, believing what was written in our legal contracts, and trusting our lawyers. As for all the ruined coastline and half built/illegal/ugly flats, well that’s just been vastly exagerated as well, and again, is the fault of the stupid buyers.

    ………..give me strength!!

    Hi Goodstitch, I know, you’d think I could learn the lesson by now! πŸ˜†

    Paul,

    No I don’t live in Bond Street, … but close. πŸ˜‰

    Frank I am concerned about what I eat anywhere. Oh, and we thoroughly enjoy our “packed” lunches on the beach in Spain. I most certainly do shop at home, my favourite hobby! πŸ˜€ The shoes in Majorca are fab though, and you cannot beat Italy for bags and shoes. Oh, and I don’t need your advice even if you are thinking of my welfare! πŸ˜†

    Katy, hang around, even if it is to annoy them…I do (on both counts)!! πŸ˜†

  • #80912
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    Claire wrote πŸ˜€

    Katy, hang around, even if it is to annoy them…I do!!

    Well better than posting a full and balanced view on the Spanish Property Insight I suppose .
    Dont know just who you are trying to annoy,lets hope they consider your doing a good job πŸ˜‰

    Katy πŸ™‚ Hear what you are saying and if only the clock could be turned back. Many have to look forward whether they like it or not as there is no choice,perhaps this should be a consideration.

    Goodstich 44 Agree with everything you say but there is also another side of Spain that many may like to hear about bud.
    Many are very aware of the problems and are looking for answers and if they see only negatives with no balance then perhaps they will not respect our views and advice.
    Keep the warnings flashing as if one can be saved from the misery many of us have suffered then its worth it and I support this 100%

    Just Frank 8)

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    Claire wrote πŸ˜€

    Katy, hang around, even if it is to annoy them…I do!!

    Well better than posting a full and balanced view on the Spanish Property Insight I suppose .
    Dont know just who you are trying to annoy,lets hope they consider your doing a good job πŸ˜‰

    Katy πŸ™‚ Hear what you are saying and if only the clock could be turned back. Many have to look forward whether they like it or not as there is no choice,perhaps this should be a consideration.

    Goodstich 44 Agree with everything you say but there is also another side of Spain that many may like to hear about bud.
    Many are very aware of the problems and are looking for answers and if they see only negatives with no balance then perhaps they will not respect our views and advice.
    Keep the warnings flashing as if one can be saved from the misery many of us have suffered then its worth it and I support this 100%

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80913
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    The likes of goodstitch and myself are consitent in our thoughts and views and so are many others, but you really confuse me Frank. One minute you are singing the praises of developers/developments and everything Spanish, and then you are slagging the same off both here and elsewhere. It’s not a “balanced view” as you so often like to tell us . It used to be called, “hunting with the hounds and running with the hare” You negate your views/opinions. In the circumstances we are talking about, corruption in the property sector, you surely can have only one view, guilty or not. I don’t think sitting on the fence is appropriate.

  • #80713
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    The likes of goodstitch and myself are consitent in our thoughts and views and so are many others, but you really confuse me Frank. One minute you are singing the praises of developers/developments and everything Spanish, and then you are slagging the same off both here and elsewhere. It’s not a “balanced view” as you so often like to tell us . It used to be called, “hunting with the hounds and running with the hare” You negate your views/opinions. In the circumstances we are talking about, corruption in the property sector, you surely can have only one view, guilty or not. I don’t think sitting on the fence is appropriate.

  • #80914
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    Claire πŸ™‚

    You are correct but this thread was not about corruption, its reverted to that as normal.
    My negative postings regarding the corruption and how the system has treated many of us is very evident.
    Those that post that say it was totally our fault and we were idiots is something I deplore..
    I happen to believe that everything in Spain is not bad and I love the country ( so I post positives where I can )while getting very frustrated with the bad at the same time.
    My postings reflect this this as giving as balanced a view as I can, helping many with problems and trying to get people on developments together to form commitees to find a way forward.
    With the help of my solicitor ,many on the forum will confirm that help has been very valued.
    I have the benefit of making good decisions and not so good decisions in Spain and I choose not to complain that much if it went wrong.
    If anyone can learn from either then thats magic as far as I am concerned.
    I have no need to sit on any fence as I have done it been there and worn the T.Shirt to prove it.
    As you say your views are consistant and thats to look at only the negatives.I respect that (as this indeeds need to be voiced) I request you do the same regarding my views.
    Thanks for the World tour on the best places to buy products and think you will find it all under one roof in the hypercor on the Mijas Costa. πŸ˜‰
    As you say you are not looking for advice on shopping ,however think your husband would love it if he like Eroski
    If you want English and not Spanish food with all the gremlins in the there is a Dunns store around the corner.
    Hate to tell ya that deaths in the U.K due to dodgy food is also here and in every country in the world.
    The hypercor is a massive investment and shows Spanish construction as it can be.
    Posted recently that a new equal to the Manchester Centro is going ahead on the Costa with massive investment and Malaga Airport is being extended as is the railway so its clearly its not all negative.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80714
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    Claire πŸ™‚

    You are correct but this thread was not about corruption, its reverted to that as normal.
    My negative postings regarding the corruption and how the system has treated many of us is very evident.
    Those that post that say it was totally our fault and we were idiots is something I deplore..
    I happen to believe that everything in Spain is not bad and I love the country ( so I post positives where I can )while getting very frustrated with the bad at the same time.
    My postings reflect this this as giving as balanced a view as I can, helping many with problems and trying to get people on developments together to form commitees to find a way forward.
    With the help of my solicitor ,many on the forum will confirm that help has been very valued.
    I have the benefit of making good decisions and not so good decisions in Spain and I choose not to complain that much if it went wrong.
    If anyone can learn from either then thats magic as far as I am concerned.
    I have no need to sit on any fence as I have done it been there and worn the T.Shirt to prove it.
    As you say your views are consistant and thats to look at only the negatives.I respect that (as this indeeds need to be voiced) I request you do the same regarding my views.
    Thanks for the World tour on the best places to buy products and think you will find it all under one roof in the hypercor on the Mijas Costa. πŸ˜‰
    As you say you are not looking for advice on shopping ,however think your husband would love it if he like Eroski
    If you want English and not Spanish food with all the gremlins in the there is a Dunns store around the corner.
    Hate to tell ya that deaths in the U.K due to dodgy food is also here and in every country in the world.
    The hypercor is a massive investment and shows Spanish construction as it can be.
    Posted recently that a new equal to the Manchester Centro is going ahead on the Costa with massive investment and Malaga Airport is being extended as is the railway so its clearly its not all negative.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80915
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    Wow some of you guys have way too much time on your hands.

    Good post Frank by the way.

    You are correct but this thread was not about corruption, its reverted to that as normal.

    Nail on the head I’d say.

    if only the clock could be turned back

    Like no mains utilities and best of all the bin at the side of the loo for the toilet paper you’ve just used, lovely.

    Ah the good old days!

  • #80715
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    Wow some of you guys have way too much time on your hands.

    Good post Frank by the way.

    You are correct but this thread was not about corruption, its reverted to that as normal.

    Nail on the head I’d say.

    if only the clock could be turned back

    Like no mains utilities and best of all the bin at the side of the loo for the toilet paper you’ve just used, lovely.

    Ah the good old days!

  • #80919
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    The “good old Days” I refered to were only app. 5 years ago. The real good old days was when you were told that the house you were interested in would have a golf course at the bottom of the garden…and it did!

    Getting back to the topic. I am not sure that the currency rate will stop holidaymakers coming here, the majority only spend on cheap booze and ciggies and they will still be cheaper than the UK. If the price of packages soars then maybe they will move on.

    Actually, official figures show that UK tourism to Spain has been falling for the last 2 to 3 years. In July and August the resorts are almost exclusively spanish tourists, even the beloved Brit enclaves like Benalmadena

  • #80719
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    katy
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    The “good old Days” I refered to were only app. 5 years ago. The real good old days was when you were told that the house you were interested in would have a golf course at the bottom of the garden…and it did!

    Getting back to the topic. I am not sure that the currency rate will stop holidaymakers coming here, the majority only spend on cheap booze and ciggies and they will still be cheaper than the UK. If the price of packages soars then maybe they will move on.

    Actually, official figures show that UK tourism to Spain has been falling for the last 2 to 3 years. In July and August the resorts are almost exclusively spanish tourists, even the beloved Brit enclaves like Benalmadena

  • #80920
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    On BBC this morning they said the average family holiday was going to cost an extra Β£700 approx on last years figures with the declining exchange rate. Katy, your remark about Spain still being a cheaper option, certainly compared to staying in the Uk, is very true.

  • #80720
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    On BBC this morning they said the average family holiday was going to cost an extra Β£700 approx on last years figures with the declining exchange rate. Katy, your remark about Spain still being a cheaper option, certainly compared to staying in the Uk, is very true.

  • #80923
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    Hi Katy πŸ™‚
    In the good ole days I would probably have had my garden,never mind the golf course πŸ˜• πŸ™‚
    Β£700.00 extra πŸ˜† The B.B.C must be talking about one hell of an expensive holiday.
    Also what a load of crap and who would beleive it as EUROPE will have to be offering excellent deals to get anyone to holiday from the U.K to help offset this or no one will go.
    Again news programes and newspapers posting one sided news as bad news sells.

    Just Frank
    8)

  • #80723
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    Hi Katy πŸ™‚
    In the good ole days I would probably have had my garden,never mind the golf course πŸ˜• πŸ™‚
    Β£700.00 extra πŸ˜† The B.B.C must be talking about one hell of an expensive holiday.
    Also what a load of crap and who would beleive it as EUROPE will have to be offering excellent deals to get anyone to holiday from the U.K to help offset this or no one will go.
    Again news programes and newspapers posting one sided news as bad news sells.

    Just Frank
    8)

  • #80924
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    A family of four/five? Look at the % decline of the exchange rate. Added costs of fuel/ air travel. Do the maths . Bad news isn’t always a lie! Some just won’t accept facts.

    EUROPE will have to be offering excellent deals to get anyone to holiday from the U.K to help offset this or no one will go.

    Some people will have no choice but to forgo a holiday. Some people acknowledge the credit crunch and have to cut their cloth accordingly.

  • #80724
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    A family of four/five? Look at the % decline of the exchange rate. Added costs of fuel/ air travel. Do the maths . Bad news isn’t always a lie! Some just won’t accept facts.

    EUROPE will have to be offering excellent deals to get anyone to holiday from the U.K to help offset this or no one will go.

    Some people will have no choice but to forgo a holiday. Some people acknowledge the credit crunch and have to cut their cloth accordingly.

  • #80925
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    Claire

    Done that and its still a load of crap.
    Also people will be looking for deals and deals will come as they have to.
    If they dont people wont go due to factors in the money markets.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80725
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    Claire

    Done that and its still a load of crap.
    Also people will be looking for deals and deals will come as they have to.
    If they dont people wont go due to factors in the money markets.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80926
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    Hmm. Maths not your strong point eh Frank πŸ˜‰

    If they dont people wont go due to factors in the money markets.

    πŸ˜† EXACTLY!!! That’s the whole point!!

  • #80726
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    Hmm. Maths not your strong point eh Frank πŸ˜‰

    If they dont people wont go due to factors in the money markets.

    πŸ˜† EXACTLY!!! That’s the whole point!!

  • #80927
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    700 could be a low figure if they are paying for a hotel or an apartment in euros.

  • #80727
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    katy
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    700 could be a low figure if they are paying for a hotel or an apartment in euros.

  • #80928
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    ……we found Italy cheaper than Spain this year. 4 return flights in mid August for Β£220.00 inc all taxes. Found our own accomodation.

  • #80728
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    ……we found Italy cheaper than Spain this year. 4 return flights in mid August for Β£220.00 inc all taxes. Found our own accomodation.

  • #80929
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    Claire πŸ™‚
    I say its a load of rubbish.
    You say my maths is not my strong point.
    Lets have yer figures then πŸ˜‰
    I guarantee I will be able to prove you and the B.B.C wrong and this is yet another doom and gloom report to sell news

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80729
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    Claire πŸ™‚
    I say its a load of rubbish.
    You say my maths is not my strong point.
    Lets have yer figures then πŸ˜‰
    I guarantee I will be able to prove you and the B.B.C wrong and this is yet another doom and gloom report to sell news

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80930
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    What point ?
    You posted that the B.B.C says that a normal family holiday will cost Β£700 more this year compared to last year due the currency which is what this thread is all about.
    I have said and feell I can prove that this is a load of rubbish to sell news and is all just adding to doom and gloom which is posted then on forums without looking at the larger picture as normal.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80730
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    What point ?
    You posted that the B.B.C says that a normal family holiday will cost Β£700 more this year compared to last year due the currency which is what this thread is all about.
    I have said and feell I can prove that this is a load of rubbish to sell news and is all just adding to doom and gloom which is posted then on forums without looking at the larger picture as normal.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80931
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    If it was anyone else I would take the time to give an example. Not you though Frank. You believe only what you say/write.
    Oh, you’ve completely re written your post. . My above comments not needed now.
    Whatever I post, where ever I post you have to denegrate it. A post by Claire…Just Frank follows. This is what Mark does not want..remember??

  • #80731
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    If it was anyone else I would take the time to give an example. Not you though Frank. You believe only what you say/write.
    Oh, you’ve completely re written your post. . My above comments not needed now.
    Whatever I post, where ever I post you have to denegrate it. A post by Claire…Just Frank follows. This is what Mark does not want..remember??

  • #80932
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    Goodstich 44 πŸ™‚
    Point made that the currency situation thats supposed to cost an extra Β£700 for a holiday in Europe is or will be part covered by deals that they will have to offer to get the Brits out there.

    Just Frank 8)
    Now those that have to or delayed completing on a property may have a real problem thats now out of their hands.

  • #80732
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    Goodstich 44 πŸ™‚
    Point made that the currency situation thats supposed to cost an extra Β£700 for a holiday in Europe is or will be part covered by deals that they will have to offer to get the Brits out there.

    Just Frank 8)
    Now those that have to or delayed completing on a property may have a real problem thats now out of their hands.

  • #80933
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    Claire
    I have taken my time to answer a posting that I felt was wrong.
    This is what the forum is all about.
    I have not altered any posting only to correct a couple of spelling mistakes.
    You have no wish to produce figures that back up your posting ,thats no problem at all and bid you good day on this matter.

    Just Frank 8)

    P.S The Mark thingy was before we became Bestie Mates πŸ˜‰

  • #80733
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    Claire
    I have taken my time to answer a posting that I felt was wrong.
    This is what the forum is all about.
    I have not altered any posting only to correct a couple of spelling mistakes.
    You have no wish to produce figures that back up your posting ,thats no problem at all and bid you good day on this matter.

    Just Frank 8)

    P.S The Mark thingy was before we became Bestie Mates πŸ˜‰

  • #80947
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    I did not make up the story Frank, I was merely stating what I saw on the BBC News this morning!
    Here is a link. Read it properly now! πŸ˜‰

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/40813/Shock-700-increase-on-family-Holidays

  • #80747
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    I did not make up the story Frank, I was merely stating what I saw on the BBC News this morning!
    Here is a link. Read it properly now! πŸ˜‰

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/40813/Shock-700-increase-on-family-Holidays

  • #80951
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    Hi Claire
    Read the newpaper report.
    Still the same opinion a one sided report to sell newspapers and makes a negative postng on the forum.
    I chose the challenge the negative posting from the B,B,C as a load of rubbish as they have left out vital economic factors of competition that would offset much of the extra costs.
    Have they taken the time to see how cheap an apartment is to rent at the moment where owners are trying to rent to help offset rising mortgage payments ( just one example)
    This is the very reason I choose not to allow newspapers,T V media programmes to run my life and like to use my own intuition to take it on board then balance it out with the facts in every case on both good and bad news.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80751
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    Hi Claire
    Read the newpaper report.
    Still the same opinion a one sided report to sell newspapers and makes a negative postng on the forum.
    I chose the challenge the negative posting from the B,B,C as a load of rubbish as they have left out vital economic factors of competition that would offset much of the extra costs.
    Have they taken the time to see how cheap an apartment is to rent at the moment where owners are trying to rent to help offset rising mortgage payments ( just one example)
    This is the very reason I choose not to allow newspapers,T V media programmes to run my life and like to use my own intuition to take it on board then balance it out with the facts in every case on both good and bad news.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80955
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    Your response is as I expected. πŸ™„ I should have followed my instincts and not wasted my time posting the link.

  • #80755
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    Anonymous
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    Your response is as I expected. πŸ™„ I should have followed my instincts and not wasted my time posting the link.

  • #80982
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    Claire

    …….the papers are all liars, the BBC are all liars, anyone posting the truth about how bad things really are is a doommonger. Marks report is negative. Those conned have themselves to blame…….

    I really think some people have lost the ability (or just refuse) to see ugly truths when they are staring them in the face. As you say, our response to comments above are waste of our time. But we still do it!

  • #80781
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    Claire

    …….the papers are all liars, the BBC are all liars, anyone posting the truth about how bad things really are is a doommonger. Marks report is negative. Those conned have themselves to blame…….

    I really think some people have lost the ability (or just refuse) to see ugly truths when they are staring them in the face. As you say, our response to comments above are waste of our time. But we still do it!

  • #80988
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    I like to think we add “balance” Goodstitch!

  • #80787
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    Anonymous
    Participant

    I like to think we add “balance” Goodstitch!

  • #81000
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    Claire

    yes, i think it’s more than coincidence that the BBC, Marks report, the good agents / lawyers who post on here, and those who have challenged the system and won, as a rule all agree, and face the truths head on, however bad. Their credabilility is plain to see compared with those who clearly don’t always want the facts exposed for whatever reason and constantly oppose the opinions of the above metioned, and worse still, often defend the bad guys, as if they just can’t see the difference between right and wrong?

  • #80799
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    Claire

    yes, i think it’s more than coincidence that the BBC, Marks report, the good agents / lawyers who post on here, and those who have challenged the system and won, as a rule all agree, and face the truths head on, however bad. Their credabilility is plain to see compared with those who clearly don’t always want the facts exposed for whatever reason and constantly oppose the opinions of the above metioned, and worse still, often defend the bad guys, as if they just can’t see the difference between right and wrong?

  • #81012
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  • #80811
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  • #81022
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    Hi Katy πŸ™‚
    Well think that answers the point I was making and feel that competition for the Brits business which is vital will ease the Β£200 extra
    Goodstich 44 . Yes I think that Newpapers and some of the media reports that are produced to sell news are liars ,cheats,scumbags.
    People that rely just on this to gain their information will always come up with only one short sighted blinkered opinion that everything in Spain is corrupt.
    I do however fully accept that corruption is very evident and is something that should be bought to everyone that is thinking of buying abroad (not only Spain).
    I feel that the construction sector,town halls,corrupt officials,solicitors should reflect on the damage they have bought on their countries repuation and their fellow countrymen.
    I do feel that many people have been very stupid,one example is the 12 properties that someone is stuck with on the properties for sale thread.
    Some of this stupid people cry foul when the deal fell through and blame everyone bar themselves
    I also feell that this is a lovely country and I have no doupt that most Spanish are ashamed that they could be considered as dis-honest scum bags.liars cheats etc.etc.
    I feel that for what ever reason almost all threads on The Spanish Property Insight end up with the same ole bag the drum corruption and try to portray what a dreadful place Spain is.
    I cant personally see why anyone would only wish to look at only the negatives.live in the past,feel sorry for themselves and cannot even begin to sence that at some point many of us have to move on.
    However Thats why I have been banned from the site (twice) and am on a final lifetime ban warning if I reply or object to certain matters including bringing sensible balance to what I consider is a one sided Spanish forum.

    Good day to you all see you all again sometime.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #80821
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    Hi Katy πŸ™‚
    Well think that answers the point I was making and feel that competition for the Brits business which is vital will ease the Β£200 extra
    Goodstich 44 . Yes I think that Newpapers and some of the media reports that are produced to sell news are liars ,cheats,scumbags.
    People that rely just on this to gain their information will always come up with only one short sighted blinkered opinion that everything in Spain is corrupt.
    I do however fully accept that corruption is very evident and is something that should be bought to everyone that is thinking of buying abroad (not only Spain).
    I feel that the construction sector,town halls,corrupt officials,solicitors should reflect on the damage they have bought on their countries repuation and their fellow countrymen.
    I do feel that many people have been very stupid,one example is the 12 properties that someone is stuck with on the properties for sale thread.
    Some of this stupid people cry foul when the deal fell through and blame everyone bar themselves
    I also feell that this is a lovely country and I have no doupt that most Spanish are ashamed that they could be considered as dis-honest scum bags.liars cheats etc.etc.
    I feel that for what ever reason almost all threads on The Spanish Property Insight end up with the same ole bag the drum corruption and try to portray what a dreadful place Spain is.
    I cant personally see why anyone would only wish to look at only the negatives.live in the past,feel sorry for themselves and cannot even begin to sence that at some point many of us have to move on.
    However Thats why I have been banned from the site (twice) and am on a final lifetime ban warning if I reply or object to certain matters including bringing sensible balance to what I consider is a one sided Spanish forum.

    Good day to you all see you all again sometime.

    Just Frank 8)

  • #81024
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    Just Frank wrote:
    I do feel that many people have been very stupid,one example is the 12 properties that someone is stuck with on the properties for sale thread.

    Do you agree now that for some areas a 50% price cut is a very optimistic forecast?
    It seems that those 12 properties are already sold at 50% reduction and we are only at the beggining.

  • #80823
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    Just Frank wrote:
    I do feel that many people have been very stupid,one example is the 12 properties that someone is stuck with on the properties for sale thread.

    Do you agree now that for some areas a 50% price cut is a very optimistic forecast?
    It seems that those 12 properties are already sold at 50% reduction and we are only at the beggining.

  • #81028
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    50% not optimistic but a reality – already!

  • #80827
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    Inez
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    50% not optimistic but a reality – already!

  • #81030
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    Inez wrote:
    50% not optimistic but a reality – already!

    I expected it but not so soon.

    It seems that prices will really go to the drain.

    Same happens in Israel, I just came from a conference in Jerusalem. House prices are falling like a rock.

  • #80829
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    Inez wrote:
    50% not optimistic but a reality – already!

    I expected it but not so soon.

    It seems that prices will really go to the drain.

    Same happens in Israel, I just came from a conference in Jerusalem. House prices are falling like a rock.

  • #81034
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    The Daily Mail article states that Britons are going to pay €3.00 or 2.19 GBP for a bottle of beer????

    I pay €1.50 at most bars here in Murcia.

    Where on earth do people pay these prices, I suppose they chose Puerto Banus as the example!!

  • #80833
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    The Daily Mail article states that Britons are going to pay €3.00 or 2.19 GBP for a bottle of beer????

    I pay €1.50 at most bars here in Murcia.

    Where on earth do people pay these prices, I suppose they chose Puerto Banus as the example!!

  • #81036
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    Ralita
    I believe that is some areas of Spain properties will in effect be worthless.
    I have a meeting with one of these poor couples this evening.
    However I dont feel for a moment that properties in good areas if purchased at a sensible market value will fall by 50.60.or 70 %
    The person who says he has 12 properties on Casaris del Sol for 150,000 euros has not returned my invitation so before making any off the cuff postings I will wait to see the proof in the pudding.
    It called getting everything you can together and taking an informed view.

    Just Frank

  • #80835
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    Ralita
    I believe that is some areas of Spain properties will in effect be worthless.
    I have a meeting with one of these poor couples this evening.
    However I dont feel for a moment that properties in good areas if purchased at a sensible market value will fall by 50.60.or 70 %
    The person who says he has 12 properties on Casaris del Sol for 150,000 euros has not returned my invitation so before making any off the cuff postings I will wait to see the proof in the pudding.
    It called getting everything you can together and taking an informed view.

    Just Frank

  • #81046
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    Peter – I hate to tell you but Banus prices are much more than that.

    For those of us who can still just about re-mortgage our properties, you would be looking at 10-12 euros PER PINT at Salduba!!! (that was 4 years ago)

    Frank – I know the development and at 150k you would be hard pushed to shift them. Its a noce development but quite large and although near to beach (1km) its nowhere near anything else.

    Unfortunately Casares is way overloaded with stock. As is Manilva…….

  • #80845
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    Peter – I hate to tell you but Banus prices are much more than that.

    For those of us who can still just about re-mortgage our properties, you would be looking at 10-12 euros PER PINT at Salduba!!! (that was 4 years ago)

    Frank – I know the development and at 150k you would be hard pushed to shift them. Its a noce development but quite large and although near to beach (1km) its nowhere near anything else.

    Unfortunately Casares is way overloaded with stock. As is Manilva…….

  • #81058
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    Inez wrote:
    Peter – I hate to tell you but Banus prices are much more than that.

    For those of us who can still just about re-mortgage our properties, you would be looking at 10-12 euros PER PINT at Salduba!!! (that was 4 years ago)

    quote]

    Crikey Inez, No need for an expensive survey to find out why tourism is down on the CDS.

    A pint of John Smiths at my local bar is €2.50 and a glass of red wine is €1.00

  • #80857
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    Inez wrote:
    Peter – I hate to tell you but Banus prices are much more than that.

    For those of us who can still just about re-mortgage our properties, you would be looking at 10-12 euros PER PINT at Salduba!!! (that was 4 years ago)

    quote]

    Crikey Inez, No need for an expensive survey to find out why tourism is down on the CDS.

    A pint of John Smiths at my local bar is €2.50 and a glass of red wine is €1.00

  • #81060
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    You are correct Inez, we used to have a drink in the News Cafe and amused ourselves by watching peoples faces when they got the check.

  • #80859
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    You are correct Inez, we used to have a drink in the News Cafe and amused ourselves by watching peoples faces when they got the check.

  • #81001
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    @Just Frank wrote:

    I do feel that many people have been very stupid,one example is the 12 properties that someone is stuck with on the properties for sale thread.

    Hi, Frank. I read that thread and it shocked me. I didn’t want to comment there as someone is trying to make a sale but I did the sums and I was bursting to show them. I would want a 10% return on property, I already get 6% in the bank and I’m not going to risk a large sum of money for a couple of % extra.

    So, my sums

    ?/5400 rent per annum = 10%. Therefore
    ? = 5400 * 10% which equals €54,000

    That would be a massive discount to the asking price. Shocking

    @Just Frank wrote:

    However Thats why I have been banned from the site (twice) and am on a final lifetime ban warning if I reply or object to certain matters including bringing sensible balance to what I consider is a one sided Spanish forum.

    You shouldn’t have told me that, Frank. Now I’ll poke sticks at you and call you dirty names

    @Just Frank wrote:

    Good day to you all see you all again sometime.

    Just Frank 8)

    I do hope so, Frank

  • #81138
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    @Just Frank wrote:

    I do feel that many people have been very stupid,one example is the 12 properties that someone is stuck with on the properties for sale thread.

    Hi, Frank. I read that thread and it shocked me. I didn’t want to comment there as someone is trying to make a sale but I did the sums and I was bursting to show them. I would want a 10% return on property, I already get 6% in the bank and I’m not going to risk a large sum of money for a couple of % extra.

    So, my sums

    ?/5400 rent per annum = 10%. Therefore
    ? = 5400 * 10% which equals €54,000

    That would be a massive discount to the asking price. Shocking

    @Just Frank wrote:

    However Thats why I have been banned from the site (twice) and am on a final lifetime ban warning if I reply or object to certain matters including bringing sensible balance to what I consider is a one sided Spanish forum.

    You shouldn’t have told me that, Frank. Now I’ll poke sticks at you and call you dirty names

    @Just Frank wrote:

    Good day to you all see you all again sometime.

    Just Frank 8)

    I do hope so, Frank

  • #81174
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    Hi Mike πŸ˜†
    Can assure you that the clients who have the golfing holiday company command a far far higher rental figure and are paying more than quoted .
    They want a total of 20 properties all furnished the the same standards..
    At the end of the day its their call and they did clear up big style last time,if only I had the balls have joined them in the past.
    Dirty names ❓ Dont think thats yer bag
    Not getting rid of me that easy.
    Have a good weekend Bud.

    Just Frank 8)

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    Hi Mike πŸ˜†
    Can assure you that the clients who have the golfing holiday company command a far far higher rental figure and are paying more than quoted .
    They want a total of 20 properties all furnished the the same standards..
    At the end of the day its their call and they did clear up big style last time,if only I had the balls have joined them in the past.
    Dirty names ❓ Dont think thats yer bag
    Not getting rid of me that easy.
    Have a good weekend Bud.

    Just Frank 8)

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    Golfing holiday companies may offer higher rental fees, they are not so good at paying up though (according to the grapevine). many golf tourism co’s have gone out of business recently leaving a trial of debts.

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    Golfing holiday companies may offer higher rental fees, they are not so good at paying up though (according to the grapevine). many golf tourism co’s have gone out of business recently leaving a trial of debts.

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    Hi Katy πŸ™‚
    Yep. Think there are far to many, O.K in the good times.
    Not many will escape the downturn including those renting property with more supply than demand and the businesses looking to exploit that.
    From what I have heard the law favours the tenant and so does not look good for the owner,yet again
    These guys I am on about are finding that the properties they are renting are starting to look shabby and owners not prepared or able to keep them maintained,hence one reason to look to buy.

    Just Frank 8)

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    Hi Katy πŸ™‚
    Yep. Think there are far to many, O.K in the good times.
    Not many will escape the downturn including those renting property with more supply than demand and the businesses looking to exploit that.
    From what I have heard the law favours the tenant and so does not look good for the owner,yet again
    These guys I am on about are finding that the properties they are renting are starting to look shabby and owners not prepared or able to keep them maintained,hence one reason to look to buy.

    Just Frank 8)

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    @p800aul wrote:

    Katy

    I’d love some names of these empty course maybe i get to play more than once a week if i could convince my kids and wife that i will only be three hours (because Katy says so)

    I know how long it would have taken in the UK today… no time at all “Course closed due to snow”

    Katy you seem really unhappy here in Spain, and for that I’m sorry we think its great.

    A CHILL IN THE AIR?

    It’s fair to say that the last few months have been difficult for tourism on the CDS, and the golf industry has not escaped the general downturn. One of the most well respected golf booking agencies in the area has recently closed its doors, and forward bookings are markedly lower than previous years.

    Editors comment http://www.costadelsolgolfnews.com

    Katy doesn’t tell lies

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    Hi
    Holiday bookings everywhere will see a downturn.
    The high streets will see a downturn
    Property will see a downturn
    Industry will see a downturn.

    And even the Costa del sol will see a downturn as there is a world credit crunch on at the moment. πŸ˜•
    Is there any reason they should not feel the effect ❓

    Katy .Dont think for one moment that Paul 800 or anyone would suggest you tell any lies πŸ™‚
    Dont think Paul does either πŸ˜‰

    Just Frank 8)

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    The only point i would make on Franks comment is.
    The high streets has seen a downturn
    Property has seen a downturn
    Industry has seen a downturn.

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    Hi m.g πŸ™‚
    Oh yes and much worse to come I feel.
    In the small town that I live in the U.K 7 pubs have closed in the last 7 weeks.
    Now this is getting very,very serious as I am running out of watering holes. πŸ™

    Just Frank 8)

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    Today I have witnessed a commercial premises being off-loaded for 20% of asking price (yes, 80% reduction), just because a “national” needed to off-load.

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    Just Frank: Yes, they will be opening in Spain with cash in hand they can pick up good deals. There you go I have found you watering holes in the sun. Cheers

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    @shakeel wrote:

    Yes, they will be opening in Spain with cash in hand they can pick up good deals.

    Maybe, that’s the easy bit, it is surviving they will have to face up to.

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    Hi Shakeel

    Destiny calls. I can see it now Franks Tavern, John Smiths,Karaoki.Bingo nights and of course premiership footie.
    You know what I mean the touch of the real Spain πŸ˜•

    Just Frank 8) 8) 8) 8)

    Time gentlemen please
    Last orders at the bar
    Lets have yer glasses please.
    Mines a pint thankyou guv

    Just getting in practice πŸ˜†

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    Just Frank: Looking through my glass of tinto. I see a great future for you.

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    @kpw4v wrote:

    Yep

    Will probably stay at home in the UK this year.

    Kevin

    I’m of on my jols this week. I have paid Β£60 for my flight including taxes and Β£400 for digs for four of us In Javea. I couldn’t even get the train to London for this and for that reason i will not holiday in Britain. Plus, weather will be cr**p and it’s a rip off. Yes it costs more to go to Spain now than a year ago but it’s still cheaper than staying in rip-off Britain.

    Anyway, things will pick up.
    πŸ™‚

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