Illegal renting?

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  • #55231
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    I have been renting our apartment in Mallorca for last 5 years but a few grumpy neighbours say I shouldn’t be renting as it’s illegal?Im sure it’s just sour grapes.

    Also,everytime I visit,my private community parking space is being used by another resident.I have spoken to the guilty party,who has two cars so uses mine too,but to no avail,thinking of informing the Police.

    Mr Stevens,Hampshire.

  • #94471
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    On the first question your neighbours are probably right. See: property rental licences in spain

    As to the second question try your community of owners president or administrator first. If you can get some result that way it would be better than going to the police.

    Rude, selfish neighbours are a problem all over the world. The police aren’t much help unless there is violence, if then. Everyone pray for nice neighbours.

    Mark

  • #94512
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    Regarding the black economy…

    From experience, I would say its probably running the flipping country..sorry to be so cynical but there really does not seem to be an area of Spanish live that does not involve doing things a little illegally..

    Job wise, I imagine a lot of people are put off becoming self employed by the huge amount of social security you have to pay every month, around 250€, whether or not you earn it. Cash in hand work starts to seem far more sensible.

    For those of us who choose not to work illegally, it is a very lucky person who signs a completely legal contract…I have just started working for a very large academy with around 25 teachers spread over 3 sites and yet my pay will still be a cheque for the “offical” pay and cash in hand for the rest…not a happy bunny as I made a point of asking about this before starting the job and was made to believe it was above board. The directors response to my argument was to question why I was worried, he was paying me far more than the convenio (the official part of my salary..) so what was the problem…How do you change the mindset of a country steeped in a history of a black economy?

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    heatherpsk

    thats’s an interesting observation. Perhaps I was supposed to pay the judge to bring forward my case to a reaonable time?, or should have I have bribed my lawyer first?

    I hate the black economy, you never know where you stand. It’s just another name for corruption and lies, much as the directors reply to you!

  • #94514
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    My wife is Spanish and I have the opportunity to question her family over issues that I find raised here or issues that directly affect me. She has lived in the UK all her adult life so knows little of Spanish law, regulations etc.

    I am always toltally amazed about her families lack of knowledge about the law, ok some are less educated than others but if you were to ask me a simple question about UK life I could answer it.

    I have asked the question about a touristic licence to many Spanish family and friends and none of them have any idea what I am talking about!!!!

    And yes most of them rent an apartment that they own!!

  • #94517
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    In my experience most educated Spaniards have never even heard of the Valencian “land grab” laws. When you explain it to them they are horrified. The Spanish press ignore this sort of thing.

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    mark

    I’ve heard it said that the black market is still considered ”the norm” for many Spanish, and that corruption/poor justice/lack of regulation is not considered a big issue. Have you found this is the case, or is it wrong to generalise on this?

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    @goodstich44 wrote:

    mark

    I’ve heard it said that the black market is still considered ”the norm” for many Spanish, and that corruption/poor justice/lack of regulation is not considered a big issue. Have you found this is the case, or is it wrong to generalise on this?

    Goodstich, the black market is still considered ”the norm” not only for many Spanish but also for many other Latin countries (in Romania they would consider somebody lunatic not to use the “black market”) and probably for most of the Mediterranean region.

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    @goodstich44 wrote:

    heatherpsk

    thats’s an interesting observation. Perhaps I was supposed to pay the judge to bring forward my case to a reaonable time?, or should have I have bribed my lawyer first?

    A Romanian or a Spaniard would definitely answer Yes to both of your questions.

    I repeat: a good lawyer from Madrid (a friend of a friend) told me that people did not know who to bribe and this why they encounter problems with properties in Spain…
    And he was an intellectual with good prestige.

  • #94523
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    Was a report in local málaga news last week. A man had made a denuncia against a Marbella Lawyer. The Lawyer had asked for an additional 2000 euro to bribe the Judge for a favourable outcome. Seems as if it is the norm even after all the corruption arrests. 🙄

    The Spanish who do know about all the scandals don’t care. Most of them think foreigners are fair game. Read the spanish forums and the posters blame the British, German etc. Generall they accuse the British of knowing that they were constructing illegaly and most spaniards favour demolition!

  • #94524
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    in regards to rentals.

    You will find many rentals are illegal in spain. The reason for this is quite simple. The rental laws in spain are awful, and do not make it worthwhile for most owners to declare they are renting. You have to bày around 15% of the gross rental to the gov., not on the profit. you have to regularly supply info to the taxman, etc…

    If the system was more reasonable, most landlords would want to declare, epsecially as they owuld have more legal recourse in the case of bad tenants, etc…

  • #94525
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    @katy wrote:

    The Spanish who do know about all the scandals don’t care. Most of them think foreigners are fair game. Read the spanish forums and the posters blame the British, German etc. Generall they accuse the British of knowing that they were constructing illegaly and most spaniards favour demolition!

    During bad economic period, the foreigners will be the first to be blamed…
    Polish workers are blamed too for taking British jobs…

  • #94526
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    Heather, don’t push too much; you’ll get your marching orders !! there are thousands of teachers willing to work with no contract !! not fair but it’s the system !!! unless you get a government job, then you’ll get a full contract with all the protection – probably less money though!!!!!

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    @flosmichael wrote:

    During bad economic period, the foreigners will be the first to be blamed…
    Polish workers are blamed too for taking British jobs…

    it is always their fault, never ours. Seems to be a recuring theme these days.

  • #94537
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    I agree with JP1 & Mark: Spainards do not beleive in knowledge is power.

    Their first reaction is a surprise followed by que barbaridad, than it does not effect me so I dont care &on with my siesta & fiesta and pasa nada.

    I can accept the generation that was starved of news/information from the Franco area. I find being oblivious by the youngster astonishing.

  • #94541
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    Oops…although it seems to have generated some interesting responses, I actually meant to post on the unemployment post and something else here, then changed my mind as someone had already said the same thing…I wondered why I had two windows open when I had finished! Sorry….

    I guess if you have had to tackle an aspect of Spanish law, then you remember it as its sooo flipping frustrating at times! Between hubby and myself we are experts at what happens if a dog owned by a dead owner attacks you and unfair dismissal….but ask me about another area and I have no idea, that why I employ a lawyer if I need one (and can very happily recommend an excellent one in Siero).

    There are very few native, qualified teachers here and so I don’t think I am likely to be sacked if I push too much, its much easier to wait 9 months and then not reemploy me anyway, and do not know anyone who would be prepared to work for an academy without a contract…mainly as the pay is soo bad. Cash in hand private classes are another matter though.

    Back to the original post..if you report someone, make sure you are 100% sure of the name of the person you report as they can file a counter denuncia states you reported them for no reason..and be warned that they will know exactly who reported them as they will be send a copy of your denuncia stating who reported what (as will you). If they are very petty, they could then decide to report you for illegally renting out your apartment….good luck!! You only have 6 months to report something minor as well….

    Heather

  • #94544
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    @fuengi wrote:

    @flosmichael wrote:
    During bad economic period, the foreigners will be the first to be blamed…
    Polish workers are blamed too for taking British jobs…

    it is always their fault, never ours. Seems to be a recuring theme these days.

    One British guy I know is incensed by Polish workers at his place. In reality I think it’s because they actually work and make him look bad. 🙄

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