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  • #52289
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    I wish to introduce everyone to the European Estate Agents Union (EEAU)

    The EEAU was formed two years ago to weed out unscrupulous agents from the property industry.

    We offer a FREE and safe place for the public to search for their next property, safe because every agent has to go through our extensive checking system and sign our code of conduct.

    Have you had bad dealings with an agent? EEAU member or not, you can report them to the EEAU using our free ‘report an agent’ facility. The EEAU will investigate and if necessary put them on the red pages which is a list of agents who buyers should avoid. Before purchasing your next property you can now check out your agent, again member or not, using our free agent check facility.

    To the estate agent we are not just another association that issues a certificate, we have a property listing service, offer lots of benefits and add to your companies credibility.

    The EEAU offers a Free service to the public and an allegience with property agents. For more information visit our website at http://www.eeau.eu

  • #66101
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    How thoroughly are the exhibitors vetted ❓ at these property exhibitions

  • #66102
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    As long as they pay their money for the stand – who cares ?
    Certainly not the organisers….

  • #66103
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    Probably right Charlie, looking at some of the exhibitors ❗

  • #66104
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    They will need an army of investigators just to cover the Costa del Sol alone 😉

    Mr. Marchant – how many investigators do you have may I ask, to make your claim feasible?

  • #66105
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    Dammit !

    Mr. Marchant was on-line while I was asking that, and now he’s gone 😯

  • #66106
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    @andymarchant wrote:

    The EEAU was formed two years ago to weed out unscrupulous agents from the property industry.

    Whilst I applaud any attempt to regulate the real estate agency business here in Spain (the only European country still with no regulation of the industry) forgive me if I’m a little sceptical. Who exactly have you weeded out so far? PM me if necessary. You surely can’t serve two masters. Who do you represent? Estate agents or the house-buying public?

    @andymarchant wrote:

    every agent has to go through our extensive checking system and sign our code of conduct.

    Could you elaborate on your “extensive checking system” – what do you check? Training, qualifications, commissions charged…? Unfortunately any “professional trade body” to which membership is free (according to your website, for Bronze membership) doesn’t, to my mind, enhance the status of members in the eyes of the public or, if it does, it is a false enhancement and therefore potentially dangerous – giving misplaced credibility to an estate agent who has just spent a few minutes filling in your forms in return for which they can publicise their membership of your organisation.

    @andymarchant wrote:

    Have you had bad dealings with an agent? EEAU member or not, you can report them to the EEAU using our free ‘report an agent’ facility. The EEAU will investigate and if necessary put them on the red pages which is a list of agents who buyers should avoid.

    Can’t see any agents listed there as yet. Early days?

    @andymarchant wrote:

    To the estate agent we are not just another association that issues a certificate, we have a property listing service, offer lots of benefits and add to your companies credibility.

    The EEAU offers a Free service to the public and an allegience with property agents.

    Unfortunately you don’t do a great deal for your organisation’s credibility with your own poor spelling and grammar. Sorry.

  • #66107
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    “The European Estate Agents Union approved exhibition centres are registered exhibition venues who support our work and most importantly are committed to protect their members from rogue exhibitors.”…………………….. 😯

  • #66110
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    The EEAU AEC is a new venture for the EEAU. A property exhibition venue wishing to become an AEC has first to register and sign our code of conduct. They then supply the EEAU with a list of exhibitors, the EEAU will then check each exhibitor making sure that only credible agents attend. We report all findings to the AEC who will prohibit any exhibitor that does not come up to the EEAU checking standard. If the application is declined then the exhibitor will be given the chance to appeal to the EEAU.

    The EEAU AEC ensuring a secure environment for the public to search for their next property.

  • #66113
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    @hillybilly wrote:

    Could you elaborate on your “extensive checking system”.

    Don’t think we’re going to get an answer on that one, hillybilly.
    (….and I can see I’m going to have to watch my spelling and ‘gramma’ in future…. 😉 ).

    I see they are based in Leeds, Yorkshire.
    What is it with Yorkshire?

    Sorry Mr. Marchant, but your claims remind me of the very industry you say you want to regulate.

    As you didn’t answer my previous question, can I ask what you charge REA’s to advertise their properties with you?
    All this smacks to me of just a clever con to start yet another property website, with a so-called ‘twist of added credibility’.

    How does your office in Leeds possibly hope to regulate the whole of Europe?????
    The whole concept is pathetic, and as hillybilly says – will just give misplaced credibility to certain estate agents. There is enough of that around with their own advertisements/exhibition stands…….in bl***y Yorkshire !

    Forget Europe, why not start with Yorkshire?
    We have ‘one in the bag’ for you already, right on your doorstep (see thread titled “Some UK REA’s as much to blame for deceit?).
    There you go. A ‘freebie’.

    Your original post just boils down to advertising, despite you using the name ‘Union’. Note all the properties for sale.
    Naughty, naughty. Not allowed here……(don’t say a word, Bobsy 😉 ).

  • #66115
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    @andymarchant wrote:

    The EEAU AEC ensuring a secure environment for the public to search for their next property.

    I would change the ‘ensuring’ word if I was you.
    It may come back to haunt you one-day and ‘smack you in the face’.
    What if one of your ‘recommended’ estate agents did something ‘improper’? Does the client have any comeback on your Union or do you have a ‘no guarantees’ clause in your company’s terms and conditions somewhere?

    to ensure: to make safe, make sure, make certain

  • #66127
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    OK – I’ve just gone through the registration procedure on the EEAU website.
    3 pages in total and the extensive checking amounts to asking for names and qualifications of directors/owners, proof of address, one personal reference and two client references. Then, at the end of that exhaustive and gruelling process you are asked if you would like the free Bronze membership or the Silver membership (sounds like my old gym!) for which you have to pay (the fee, undisclosed on the website, depends on the number of offices you declare) and which entitles you to use the EEAU logo.
    Ooooh, hold me back…

  • #66130
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    The REA get to give one personal reference (Mum?) and two clients of their choice as references, and based on that they “weed out unscrupulous agents from the property industry”?

    Think Mr. Marchant needs a “Comedy Forum”.

  • #66132
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    A agree with most of you here. Just looks like another set of initials. You don’t tell us what your checks are? On what basis would people not be allowed to join your union?
    Would be a great idea if it’s right but all seems a bit wooly to me.
    Answers please and not on a postcard!!!
    Bopsy

  • #66134
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    ……….i think if mr Marchant worked on an ebay style customer satisfaction ‘ positive feedback’ poll for results, he would find out very quickly who are the rotten eggs, and would probably have a very short but reliable list to start with?. I would love to see the results from this site alone!, perphaps then we could have a list of lawyers and developers on the same basis, and he could just doodle on the remaining 80% of his A5 sheet of paper!

  • #66136
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    IMHO the industry does not need qualifications, associations, or organisations, it needs regulations, such as an ombudsman with the power to take action and arbitrate when issues and disputes arise.

    All estate agents should be licensed as such
    All estate agents should be Bona Fida S.L companies
    All estate agents should be covered by indemnity
    All estate agents should sign up to a code of practice

    Estate agents should be at risk of financial penalty or having their operating licences rebuked in the event of professional malpractice.

    Necessary Qualifications “A” levels in –
    Honesty
    Integrity
    Transparency
    Diplomacy
    Compassion

    The requirements for membership of API would not help to sell houses; we need regulation not strangulation.

    Jim

  • #66137
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    jiminspain

    i like your first list, and think it should be a minimum requirement to balance your second list, which i don’t think forms part of a ‘salesman training guide’ somehow?

  • #66139
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    Goodstich44

    As we all know the bubble has, I won’t say burst but perhaps deflated in the Spanish property market.

    Potential buyers are now not desperate to buy to avoid missing the gravy train, I believe and hope that they are becoming more knowledgeable and savvy. IMHO the agents that succeed in the future will be the ones that gain the trust and professional respect of their clients and vendors.

    I agree that for some agents my wish list of qualifications would not be important, but having spent my life in sales & marketing, and senior management I believe this is the only way to run and grow a successful, sustainable business.

    Jim

  • #66143
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    jiminspain

    i would so like to think so, but judging by some of the large very wealthy agents/developers on the CDS that are just conning people on a day to day basis, i remain sceptical.
    Unless very strict regulation can not only be put in place, but enforced, and the perpetrators of wrong doing severely punished, which i think would mean quite a shift in the spanish system, then i think change will be very slow, and then only market driven? Having said that, i think sites like this do a great deal to help weed out the crooks and hopefully highlight the good guys. I really could have done with this 4 and a half years ago, before our particular nightmare started.

  • #66144
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    What a sceptical, suspicious bunch you are, I wonder why 😆 😆 😆

  • #66146
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    Katy

    ……ermm…..ah yes , i remember, 4 year build time instead of two, 22% smaller apartment, 1 swimming pool instead of two, no BG ever issued, still no FLO, a development that looks nothing like original plans, and thats after being transfered from another development after waiting 2 years waiting for original apartment to be built that never got a building license!!!!

    sceptical……sceptical……. pah’ not me!

  • #66147
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    This thread has become a bit like the game “Chinese Whispers”…..
    slightly gone off topic ??

    Poor Mr. Marchant must be pulling his hair out.
    How about a reply Mr. M to some of the questions – could get your thread back on topic.
    😛

  • #66175
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    @jiminspain wrote:

    IMHO the industry does not need qualifications, associations, or organisations, it needs regulations, such as an ombudsman with the power to take action and arbitrate when issues and disputes arise.

    All estate agents should be licensed as such
    All estate agents should be Bona Fida S.L companies
    All estate agents should be covered by indemnity
    All estate agents should sign up to a code of practice

    Estate agents should be at risk of financial penalty or having their operating licences rebuked in the event of professional malpractice.

    Jim

    Absolutely right.
    When is Mr Marchant going to return to answer the comments his original post provoked?

  • #66177
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    Seems to have picked up a few tips from REA’s.
    When business is done, they don’t want to know…..

    (except jiminspain of course 😉 oh goodness, and you Vince! )

    Barbara

  • #66180
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    I have been approached many times by the EEAU and have never bothered to register ebcause I doubt they know the first thing about Spanish Real Estate and how it operates. There are in fact professional Spanish bodies that agents can register with (I am awiaitng details from my lawyer) and gain credible qualifications in such things as urbanisation law, a background to purchase law in Spain etc. It is a long winded process and in fact takes about 3 months of study time over a period of a year to 3 years depending on how busy you are

    It isnt cheap though – but this in itself is going to weed out the unscrupulous. IMHO something like this will have much more teeth because they operate (from what I can see at first glance) more like an ARICS type organisation. But whatever the fact you have to actually pay, prove indeminity insurance and be considered professional by passing exams – suggests that memebrs of such organisations are at least more aware than their counterparts of the law and correct procedures.

    I have a feeling the tide is changing and that in the future all agents will be forced to adopt such qualifications (which will in all likelihood mean that more operate from homes and meet clients at the side of the road or in cafes etc) but watch this space – will keep you posted when I know more.

    Vince

  • #66196
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    @charlie wrote:

    Seems to have picked up a few tips from REA’s.
    When business is done, they don’t want to know…..

    (except jiminspain of course 😉 oh goodness, and you Vince! )

    Barbara

    Have to excuse my scepticism Charlie (gosh its happening to me too) was that a sincere comment! 😆

  • #66198
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    jiminspain

    Abso….blimmin’…..lutely !

    You and Vince have yet to give me an excuse to have a go at you 😥

    (….and to rub salt in the wound, you both keep contributing excellent informative stuff)

    STOP IT – you are destroying my opinion of ALL ( 😉 ) REA’s.

  • #66213
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    Hi Charlie

    Sorry to disappoint you and not give you an excuse to have a go – I know it must be difficult. (lol).

    However in fairness it does actually keep you on your toes when writing on this forum as well as keeping up to date with things that we may miss. I do try myself and keep up with what is going on in the world but I find wometimes yourself, Dorothy,Melosine, Katy and others put stuff up that makes you think and you go read up on it, research a bit and bobs your aunty you know more now than you did five minutes ago.

    You never know though one day we may just slip up (have done it before re Marina D’Or) and I am sure there will be many to remind us of our folly.

    In the meantime long may we continue to provide information and actually give a damn about the people who pay our wages – ie the buyer and the seller.

    Regards

    Vince

  • #66214
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    I think Mr Marchant has been pipped at the post, by Association of International Property Professionals (AIPP).David Allsop has written an article in todays Mail, overseas property section. “Outsmart the Costa cowboys”
    http://www.aipp.org.uk

    See also: http://spanishpropertyinsight.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=938

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    😆 So…. These organizations are all one and the same then…total c**p!!!!

    There are always people who try to make money from other peoples misery. AIPP obviously don’t give a t**s who joins up, as long as they pay a (hefty) membership fee. 👿

  • #66220
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    One of their members advertising, Green Hills, Los Lagos 🙄

  • #66267
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    I’ve just received an invitation by email to join the EEAU! ROFL. I’m not an estate agent, I wonder what they want with me?!!!

    This is what it says (I like the bit about the more stringent vetting system, saying all applicants will now be scrutinised…implying they weren’t before?):

    “We have some important news for Estate Agents after our Advisory Board meeting on the 28th September 2006

    Brenda Waddington, Rusticasa, Spain has been named as acting chairperson for the EEAU Advisory Board until the next board meeting in January 2007. The EEAU wishes her every success and backs her 100% in her new role.

    There has been a very good response to the free membership offer, with 70 new members joining the EEAU..

    At the Advisory Board Meeting it was decided that although Basic bronze membership should remain free. Any new members joining for Bronze membership after the 1st October should have no objection to paying a nominal annual administration fee of 60 Pounds to cover the expenses of the vetting procedure, and continual monitoring. This has been adopted by the EEAU, all memberships from that date will have to pay the £60 admin fee this will be included in the price of membership. Bronze will be £60.00, Silver £299.00 and Gold memberhsip being released later on in the year.

    The EEAU and the advisory board are now adding a more stringent vetting system to members joining. All applicants will now be scrutinised by the advisory board before being given membership, adding an extra safety net to our stringent checking system. This will, however mean a delay for any applications going through.

    The advisory board the force behind the EEAU

    On-line survey

    The survey will be updated this weekend, anyone who has not already entered please do so now to stand a chance of winning 100€, the closing date will be the 14th October

    European Estate Agent of the year awards 2007

    Put your entry in now for the EEAU Estate Agent of the Year Awards 2007

    Entry is available to ALL estate agents throughout Europe

    Remember it is FREE to enter for members, for non-members it cost 80 Euro’s and this year’s entries will be judged by the EEAUs advisory board

    To enter the award please visit the award page http://www.eeau.eu

    Another free service for members from the EEAU!

    Kind Regards

    John Goodwin

    The European Estate Agents Union”

  • #66392
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    Hello all. I joined the EEAU because I felt they genuinely wanted to improve the standards of estate agency and had the same beliefs as I have in respect of responsibility towards the purchaser, integrity etc. I have had conversations with both Mark (Stucklin) and Paul Owen of AIPP, who know how I feel about the subject. You all seem very sceptical, so why not send the EEAU complaints about the agents you think should be driven out of business. No, Mr Marchant has not divulged details of the checks which are made, but I can assure you that they go further than just checkig details and references given on the application form. I am sure he will excuse me for telling you that checks are made not only on the companies but also individual directors and agents by an independent agency. However, at the end of the day, it is the consumer who can provide them with an “early warning system” which will get agents listed on the red pages long before a case reaches court. Each case is checked by a solicitor to see how strong it is, and if he feels it is cut and dried the EEAU will take the case to court. If not, details of the complaint and the agent’s reply will be displayed on the Red Pages – and cases are being investigated at the moment. The EEAU is not claiming that they will check all agents operating – just that applicant agents are checked. They are introducing an NVQ course, and have qualified solicitors from different countries on the Advisory Board to advise and inform both agents and purchasers. Some of us already have Professional Liability Insurance, and the EEAU is looking into suitable policies for those who do not.
    There is no reason why an organisation cannot be working in the interests of both the members and the consumer – the NAEA and AIPP are other examples with similar aims. Please, instead of being so negative, why not help the EEAU to become an organisation which you would be happy to consult. They are waiting to hear from you.

  • #66406
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    Mmmmm, sounds promising!

  • #66476
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    Well, Mr Marchant has obviously been in the forum (but chosen not to comment here) as he sent me a PM saying he’d remove me from their mailing list. But guess what? Today I received another invitation to join! They’re on the ball then….

    This was the latest invite:

    “European Estate Agents Union Newsletter

    Why your company should join the EEAU

    The EEAU is unlike any association of its type we give many benefits to our members, but most of all we add extra credibility to our agent members.

    All applicants will now be scrutinised by the EEAU and then by the advisory board before membership is accepted. This method adds an extra safety net to our stringent checking system and gives extra confidence to the general public when purchasing their next property.

    Our members tell us that more and more of the general public are asking with what organisation they are affiliated, they are proud to say the EEAU – voted the best association available to agents in our recent poll of the property industry! See http://www.eeau.eu for the updated poll statistics,

    Bronze membership

    For £60 a year

    Credibility – priceless

    You will receive an electronic version of the membership pack

    Use of EEAU logo

    Listed as an agent on the EEAU members directory

    Silver Membership

    Silver £299 a year

    *
    Credibility – priceless
    *
    Membership collaboration
    *
    Client leads
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    SMS messaging service to inform you of EEAU client leads
    *
    EEAU membership certificate
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    Use of EEAU logo
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    Entry into the EEAU estate agent of the year awards
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    Advertising auctions
    *
    Promotion by the EEAU
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    Download 30 properties onto the EEAU website
    *
    Link from your website to a page all about your membership and the EEAU
    *
    Discounts such as cheaper car rental from Europcar
    *
    And many more offers……….
    *

    Gold membership

    Gold to be price will be released later in the year with the accreditation exam

    Another reason to join the EEAU – our website had over 752,000 hits in October, EEAU members are benefiting from our sales leads!”

    You know, I’m almost tempted for the sheer hell of it!

  • #66477
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    I am tempted also hillybilly..but can they make a difference ?

    look at the others!

    Are all these companies linked? Property Finders International and PFI Media otherwise known as the OPP Magazine! They share the same managing director. Also the AIPP share the exact same office address as the OPP!

    Is this just me being silly, or should associations and media of this kind be independent?

    Who is governing the associations and media – and they say we need governing!

  • #66534
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    O.K. you two sceptics.
    Fill in the application form and send client and professional referees.
    Send a copy of your business registration.(Essential).
    Send a copy of your profesional indemnity insurance ( if not held,must be obtained) .
    Send details of your website so that it can be checked.
    If you have all that, pass the credit. criminal
    and press checks, I’m sure you will be welcomed.
    Not an estate agent so don’t have any of these? Well, you won’t get in then, will you?

  • #66538
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    Its just another way to get hold of cash by Estate Agents whose property sales are down…I am going to set up a sort of Which consumer magazine and name and shame all the bad agents, financial advisors, dodgy traders etc, just send 150 euros to my box no. and I’ll mail it you every few months..or so. 😉 😉 😉

  • #66543
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    Hi, I’m supposed to be doing dinner, but can’t resist replying to Katy!
    Well, firstly, the agents pay to join – membership and admin fees are low, so the EEAU is not pulling in a fortune!
    Secondly, the consumer pays nothing to the EEAU
    It has an Advisory Board which includes solicitors, and you can send in your questions (free of charge).
    You are invited to inform them of any rogue agents ( as well as anyone else in the business who should be exposed), and if you have a good case they will take it to court (free of charge)
    I’ve already asked forum members to tell the EEAU what they want to see for the organisation to become a trusted point of reference for the consumer, so come on Katy and the other sceptics, send in your suggestions! 😀

  • #66545
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    @Rusticasa wrote:

    Hi, I’m supposed to be doing dinner, but can’t resist replying to Katy!

    Hope your dinner went OK!
    @Rusticasa wrote:

    the agents pay to join – membership and admin fees are low, so the EEAU is not pulling in a fortune!

    Maybe not a fortune (yet!) but Mr Marchant & co aren’t running this outfit from the goodness of their hearts now are they?
    @Rusticasa wrote:

    Secondly, the consumer pays nothing to the EEAU

    Why should they? This organisation doesn’t represent the consumer – it represents estate agents. As I said before, you can’t serve 2 masters.
    @Rusticasa wrote:

    It has an Advisory Board which includes solicitors, and you can send in your questions (free of charge).

    Great – but there are already plenty of other such free advisory services eg this forum, Maria de Castro’s firm…
    @Rusticasa wrote:

    You are invited to inform them of any rogue agents (as well as anyone else in the business who should be exposed), and if you have a good case they will take it to court (free of charge)

    I see that there are still no entries on the Red Pages – how many rogue agents have been reported to date and what has the EEAU done about them?
    @Rusticasa wrote:

    I’ve already asked forum members to tell the EEAU what they want to see for the organisation to become a trusted point of reference for the consumer, so come on Katy and the other sceptics, send in your suggestions! 😀

    I’m sure the EEAU was set up with all good intentions but ultimately it’s a toothless trade organisation representing the interests of REA’s. There is no requirement to carry PI insurance to become a member (unless I missed something). What the Spanish REA industry needs is proper regulation not more “clubs for the boys”.

  • #66551
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    Hi,I have to admit you all have me totally confused!

    I totally agree that Estate Agency should be regulated, but in a democracy are those in government not elected by their peers, and is a jury in a court of law not made up of ordinary people? So,why cannot the EEAU regulate its members, refusing entry to those who do not fulfil entry requirements, and throwing out those who are reported for wrong doing?

    With regards Professional Indemnity Insurance, I notice that hillybilly is a member of the Institution of Civil Engineers, working as a surveyor, and no longer has cover as he found it too expensive.As an Estate Agent,I do have cover. Mine is not terribly expensive, probably as the liability is not perceived to be as great as in the case of a surveyor.The EEAU is looking into suitable policies for those members who do not already have one, and it will be compulsory.

    Hillybilly thinks the EEAU is a “club for the boys”. But is the ICE not a body which started in much the same way but is now well respected (quote from their website)
    “In a London coffee house on a summer day in 1818, the Institution of Civil Engineers was founded by a small group of idealistic young men”…………..”We are a qualifying body, a centre for the exchange of specialist knowledge, and a provider of resources to encourage innovation and excellence in the profession, worldwide.” The EEAU could use those same words!

    The Colegio de Agentes de la Propiedad Inmobiliaria lost their monopoly of property sales as a result of EU pressure to open up the business to other professionals, partly because an intermediary was not necessary to a transaction, and partly because when it was first set up, formal qualifications were not required. Today one needs a degree in law or property related subject to be accepted, and must take their examinations.The EEAU is just finalising a NVQ recognised accreditation course, and will provide relevant legal information for most countries inwhich they have members.

    No-one on the red pages yet? Well, investigations on reports received are being made, but surprisingly there are few complaints -maybe because everyone is too busy posting on forums!

    There were Brits selling property illegally in Spain before, and there always will be, whatever regulation is brought in. What the EEAU aims to do is provide a membership of trustworthy professionals and a reliable point of reference for the consumer. Why not help instead of criticise.
    Send full details of complaints about any agent (or solicitor) vía the website http://www.eeau.eu

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    @Rusticasa wrote:

    Hillybilly thinks the EEAU is a “club for the boys”. But is the ICE not a body which started in much the same way but is now well respected (quote from their website)
    “In a London coffee house on a summer day in 1818, the Institution of Civil Engineers was founded by a small group of idealistic young men”…………..”We are a qualifying body, a centre for the exchange of specialist knowledge, and a provider of resources to encourage innovation and excellence in the profession, worldwide.” The EEAU could use those same words!

    interesting comparison. Let’s look a bit deeper

    wikipedia wrote:
    The initiative to found the Institution was taken in 1818 by three young engineers, Henry Robinson Palmer (23), James Jones (28) and Joshua Field (32), who organised an inaugural meeting on the 2nd January 1818, at the Kendal Coffee House in Fleet Street. The institution made little headway until a key step was taken – the appointment of Thomas Telford as the first President of the body. Greatly respected within the profession and blessed with numerous contacts across the industry and in government circles, he was instrumental in drumming up membership and getting a Royal Charter for ICE in 1828. This official recognition helped establish ICE as the pre-eminent organisation for civil engineers.
  • #66553
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    Hi Fuengi,

    I think I have missed something here…………what does your post mean??

    Best wishes

    Bernard

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    Bernard

    I think what Fuengi is trying to say is that although there are comparisons as made by Rusticasa – the comparisons arent the same. The key here is the phrase

    “Greatly respected within the profession and blessed with numerous contacts across the industry and in government circles, he was instrumental in drumming up membership and getting a Royal Charter for ICE in 1828. This official recognition helped establish ICE as the pre-eminent organisation for civil engineers. “

    Something which at the present time the EEAU doesnt have (Royal Charter nor official recognition)

    Regards

    Vince

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    To clarify: to become a Member of the ICE I had to have a recognised honours degree in Civil Engineering, many years of relevant experience and further training and pass the Professional Review (written submissions, exams and interviews) overseen by Fellows of the Institution all of which, in total, took 15 years to achieve.
    To enable my membership to continue I have to provide annual evidence of continued training and study to keep me up to date with all things civil engineering. Oh, and pay my not-insignificant annual membership subs of course!
    The Chartered Engineer title/qualification is on a par with that of a lawyer, architect or doctor and is recognised worldwide – hardly the same thing as paying a couple of hundred euros for membership of the newly-formed EEAU is it?!
    p.s. I’m a she not a he!

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    hillybilly, from some of the comments and observations made by some, I think that there are some that still would not recognise what ICE membership means, nor the work that goes into it. Next will be Struct. E?

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    You’re right – we could go on and on, LOL!!
    Which is why I ALWAYS caution people not to take any qualification, title. membership etc etc at face value and to check it out for themselves – as in what it ACTUALLY means and, not least, to verify with the relevant organisation that the individual or company really IS a member.
    I’m used to flak from estate agents – many of them see surveyors as the enemy because we tell it like it is and, horror of horrors, some buyers decide not to proceed post-survey report! Though I’m sure our contributing REA’s are exceptions to this gross generalisation 😉

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    Apologies, my internet has being playing up today.

    @vbtudor wrote:

    Bernard

    I think what Fuengi is trying to say is that although there are comparisons as made by Rusticasa – the comparisons arent the same. The key here is the phrase

    “Greatly respected within the profession and blessed with numerous contacts across the industry and in government circles, he was instrumental in drumming up membership and getting a Royal Charter for ICE in 1828. This official recognition helped establish ICE as the pre-eminent organisation for civil engineers. “

    Something which at the present time the EEAU doesnt have (Royal Charter nor official recognition)

    Regards

    Vince

    Could’nt of said it better myself.

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    I’m not sure those of you who post read what is written by others. I was not belittling Hillybillys’s qualifications, nor what the Institution of Civil Engineers is today.I was merely pointing out that it was started by three young men in a coffee house in 1818,and suggesting that every professional association must start somewhere, probably in a very small way.

    I also referred to the Spanish College of estate agents (APIs), which originally comprised unqualified members, and which today requires a degree in law or a discipline associated with building as well as further studies.I see no reason why the EEAU cannot grow to be equally respected.

    I’d have thought we were all on the same side, trying to clean up estate agency!

    In passing, I’d like to comment on the Red Pages. On Thurday night I was contacted by the reporter in Spain for the Telegraph who had found a page on my website warning people not to buy illegal houses in Catral. I spent around four hours on Friday with her and the photographer visiting affected people. Almost all claimed they didn’t know the houses were illegal, but would not give their names nor finger the estate agents and solicitors involved.

    So no-one wants to help – or maybe some of you who don’t enter into these forum bickerings will be in touch with the EEAU to make a positive contribution.I sincerely hope so. Little acorns etc….

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    If selling agents had to take out P.I. the insurers may get the system cleaned up.
    If a C.Eng. drops a clanger, God help their next premium.

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    The problem is greater than P.I. insurance alone because the agent is an intermediary; the solicitor (and Civil Engineer) is legally responsible if he makes a mistake. Plain dishonesty is a case for the courts.
    But agreed, the insurance companies will not take on unregistered agents, which should weed out quite a few undesirables, particularly if they restrict policies to members of professional associations.

    In the EEAU we are trying to achieve a body of responsible, honest and qualified agents.We are sorting out an accreditation course and P.I. insurance in the course of doing this.

    The rogues will go underground, but they will be there, ready to prey on the unsuspecting.They were there when the industry was regulated, and always will be. But they won’t have Profssional Indemnity Insurance!

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    “if they restrict policies to members of professional associations” In UK at one time, I believe an Estate Agent had to be a Chartered Surveyor, not a window rep., as is now. Generalising of course.

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