Energy Performance Certificates and HIPS

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  • #55084
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    I am a Domestic Energy Assessor in the UK carrying out Energy Performance Certificates for Solicitors, estate agents, developers and land lords; I also produce Home Information Packs.

    I believe that EPC’s are required throughout Europe but can anybody confirm this as I am told things are a bit more relaxed out there.

    I want to move to Alicante or Valencia to live and work but need to know if it’s worth trying to use my skills or weather to retrain.

    Any advise would be great.

    Many Thanks

    Richard

  • #93186
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    EPCs are certainly a EU requirement… so one would expect then the same applies throughout. However, unsure when the deadline for member countries actually applying these new rules. Maybe you can tell us?

    Sorry to go off topic but what’s the deal with the smoking ban legislation in Spain.

    It that another law that is in place but not enforced?

  • #92991
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    EPCs are certainly a EU requirement… so one would expect then the same applies throughout. However, unsure when the deadline for member countries actually applying these new rules. Maybe you can tell us?

    Sorry to go off topic but what’s the deal with the smoking ban legislation in Spain.

    It that another law that is in place but not enforced?

  • #93187
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    EPC, is just another vehicle to generate VAT. In a country where the majority of the property is of Victorian stock. They do not need an EPC certificate to show, how energy efficient they are.

    Modern properties which are still under NHBC & are built to the most up to date insulation etc also needs an EPC. Why ????

    In so far as HIPs is concerned, no buyers solicitors pays attention to it on the basis that it prepared by the Vendor. The buyers solicitor will do an independent check. Again VAT is involved and a duplication of paper work. I wonder what is the affect of all this papers chase on the enviornment.

  • #92994
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    EPC, is just another vehicle to generate VAT. In a country where the majority of the property is of Victorian stock. They do not need an EPC certificate to show, how energy efficient they are.

    Modern properties which are still under NHBC & are built to the most up to date insulation etc also needs an EPC. Why ????

    In so far as HIPs is concerned, no buyers solicitors pays attention to it on the basis that it prepared by the Vendor. The buyers solicitor will do an independent check. Again VAT is involved and a duplication of paper work. I wonder what is the affect of all this papers chase on the enviornment.

  • #93191
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    Are you talking about Spain or the UK Shakeel?

    HIPS are a complete waste of money and another example of how we are running economies into the ground through inefficient use of resources and creation of non-productive jobs. The survey element, which might have had some usefulness, was removed. 🙄

  • #93002
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    Are you talking about Spain or the UK Shakeel?

    HIPS are a complete waste of money and another example of how we are running economies into the ground through inefficient use of resources and creation of non-productive jobs. The survey element, which might have had some usefulness, was removed. 🙄

  • #93197
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    UK, agree with your comments with your other comments. I have had EPC , so called inspectors, they cant even get the M2 of the property correct.
    Apart from the current situation why do you think we had so called full employment !!!!!!!!

  • #93015
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    UK, agree with your comments with your other comments. I have had EPC , so called inspectors, they cant even get the M2 of the property correct.
    Apart from the current situation why do you think we had so called full employment !!!!!!!!

  • #93198
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    When I had to get an EPC done recently (a waste of £45 but at least the VAT gives the Gov. a bit of help towards the black hole),
    the inspector admitted to me that he was originally trained to do the HIPS. But due to lack of movement in the property market therefore not much work, they put them all doing EPC’s.

    Yes, an EU thing required for every rented-out property, but trust the Brit Gov. to latch on quick and be one of the first to implement the ruling.
    Keeps the HIPS guys employed and lots of lovely VAT.

    Can you honestly imagine the Spanish bothering? Bit like the smoking ban.

    No offence meant to you Richard. Appreciate we all need to make a living.

  • #93017
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    When I had to get an EPC done recently (a waste of £45 but at least the VAT gives the Gov. a bit of help towards the black hole),
    the inspector admitted to me that he was originally trained to do the HIPS. But due to lack of movement in the property market therefore not much work, they put them all doing EPC’s.

    Yes, an EU thing required for every rented-out property, but trust the Brit Gov. to latch on quick and be one of the first to implement the ruling.
    Keeps the HIPS guys employed and lots of lovely VAT.

    Can you honestly imagine the Spanish bothering? Bit like the smoking ban.

    No offence meant to you Richard. Appreciate we all need to make a living.

  • #93337
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    ………..but get a proper job. Wasn’t there anything going in Quality Assurance?

  • #93346
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    This Government will latch onto anything to get money out of people black hole or not.

    The EU has been helping people replace old cars for atleast a decade this Government had ignored it until recently.

    Further, EU has been offering grant for solar panels etc for long time.

  • #93361
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    what exactly is the point of an Domestic Energy Assessor?

    I would assume it is down to energy usage/efficiency, etc…

    But why can’t you do it yourself?

  • #93367
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    Fuengi: Read my posting of the 10th July 09.

  • #114511
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    This is an old subject but I have read in a couple of places that Energy Performance Certificates are now required as from January 1st. Can anyone else out “there” confirm whether this has now been passed as a law yet?

  • #114515
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    If you check the Spanish property sites. You will notice the words ” no disponable” Yes. We in UK just follow all & sundry from Europe & also add our own.

    I am not anti Europe, but this kind of absurdity makes people annoyed.

  • #114516
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    @shakeel wrote:

    This Government will latch onto anything to get money out of people black hole or not.

    The EU has been helping people replace old cars for atleast a decade this Government had ignored it until recently.

    Further, EU has been offering grant for solar panels etc for long time.

    Not to burst your bubble but the most environmental friendly thing you can do is to drive your car around till it dies because most of the enivoremental effects are caused by the production of the car.

    Wind power is another scam solar panels can be good in countries with many sun hours but I still don’t get why all the subsidies is needed. It just destroys the market.

    This same thing has been implemented in Sweden and it’s something you are forced to do. Totally unecessary and people often do them at the same time as they do a survey of the house they are buying. You are not allowed to sell your house without having it done and the buyer can do it at your expense if have you haven’t done it. The survey is a very important in my opinion but not something you are forced to do which makes the whole thing even weirder. To write the energi declaration as they call them here they don’t even have to inspect the house. =)

  • #114539
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    @Richard, I purchased a place in Barcelona last August and there was no certificate required or provided. And supposedly, we did everything according to regulations.

    Good luck! Gary

  • #114541
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    @shakeel wrote:

    If you check the Spanish property sites. You will notice the words ” no disponable” Yes. We in UK just follow all & sundry from Europe & also add our own.

    I am not anti Europe, but this kids of absurdity makes people annoyed.

    Yes, laws are only effective if they are enforced (i.e. people are punished for breaking them). In fact making laws and not enforcing them is morally corrupt – because it actually punishes those who go out of their way to follow the law. And the EU is a prime example of this – it has the power to make laws but no authority to punish individuals who don’t follow them. It is a complete waste of time and money. As for HIPs – does anybody actually look at them?

  • #114547
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    No they dont look at them either at the time of buying or renting. As the property industry will tell you that a buyer/renter makes their mind up in the first 20 seconds or so.

    The certificate becomes irrelevent and frankly no one knows how to interpret them or the cost associated with the bench market requirement to be compliant with them.

  • #114562
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    Up here in Asturias, this certification has to be done as part of the architects project when developing new or major refurbishing both commercial and domestic property.

    The method takes into account many thermal and moisture properties (amongst others) and generates a number of outputs and compares them against benchmarks of consumption per square metre. Examples of areas of comparison are Heating consumption, Refrigeration Consumption, CO2 emmissions for heating / refrigeration / hot water etc.

    It also produces a pretty depiction (similar to those found on the front of fridges) as to where you are in coloured scale from A to G.

    For the quick bluffers guide read this -> http://www.minetur.gob.es/energia/desarrollo/EficienciaEnergetica/CertificacionEnergetica/Paginas/certificacion.aspx

    To see the sort of stuff thay enter into the software to generate the output, then see this -> http://www.minetur.gob.es/energia/desarrollo/EficienciaEnergetica/CertificacionEnergetica/ProgramaCalener/CalenerVYP1/Manual_de_usuario.pdf

    Regards,

    Mike

  • #114564
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    The problem is that when looking for property in Spain I have never seen the certificate. Go to rightmove.co.uk and every poperty listed will show that certificate (the one everyone ignores). Go to idealista and you won’t see a single one. And at no stage of the buying process will one be made available.

  • #114565
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    @chopera, 100% correct.

  • #114568
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    I’m planning a major remodel starting in March. This includes changing every room but one, moving the kitchen and salon to the opposite wing of the apartment, removing a load bearing wall, etc. But it also includes insulation and making the place ‘energy efficient.’

    I wonder if the measurements used for the certification process could assist with this effort?

    Also, I’m wondering if this type of certification will make the place easier to sell 10 years from now?

  • #114569
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    @garysfbcn: I can bet everything I have that it will not assist on the contrary. Besides the certificates are required every ten years. i.e. they must be renewd.

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