Do the Spanish hate the British expats?

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  • #56987
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    Do the Spanish hate the British expats? I read on another forum that a British expat encountered some hostility from the local spanish. This is what she said “A Spanish chap told us that he and his fellow countrymen were sick of the Brits and other expats because they had come into their country and caused the property prices to rise to such a degree that their children couldnt afford to buy themselves homes anymore. He wanted us to all go back to our own countries so that property would fall in price again. Seems he’s got his wish!”

    Do the spanish generally blame the British expats for forcing house prices to ridiculous levels such that the Spanish cannot afford to buy them? Are the British expats loathed and hated in Spain?

  • #111445
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    Don’t forget we are also to blame for all the young men who left school early to go and work on the building sight so they could live the high life whilst earning, to me it would seem spanish greed is their own downfall.

  • #111450
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    No.

  • #111454
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    @jakesuper wrote:

    Do the Spanish hate the British expats? I read on another forum that a British expat encountered some hostility from the local spanish. This is what she said “A Spanish chap told us that he and his fellow countrymen were sick of the Brits and other expats because they had come into their country and caused the property prices to rise to such a degree that their children couldnt afford to buy themselves homes anymore. He wanted us to all go back to our own countries so that property would fall in price again. Seems he’s got his wish!”

    Do the spanish generally blame the British expats for forcing house prices to ridiculous levels such that the Spanish cannot afford to buy them? Are the British expats loathed and hated in Spain?

    no they are not. But I can see why some brits feel this way.
    At the school my children go to, in the first year of school my partner was told by several of the english mums (majority spanish school) that the spanish mothers were racists and their children do not get invited to the birthday parties, etc…. My daughters birthday was at the beginning of the school year, and she joined the 5 year old class (start at 4). So because she was new, I did the sensible thing and invited the entire class to the birthday. My girls (and us) are included in all the parties, events, etc…
    Another couple Swedish/Ghanaian were told they were going to have ‘problems’ at the school with their son. Amazingly by trying to learn Spanish and be involved with the other parents, they been included in near everything.
    I find racism to be an easy excuse in many cases.

    Regarding property prices. Its how you look at it. Many people on the Costa del Sol are pushed out of the market because of higher prices due to the demand for second homes, compared to other areas of Spain. So I can appreciate how if you were born in the area and tourists (whether from Spain or abroad) are helping maintain (or at least soften the falls) prices it could be frustrating.
    But then I here single people complaining that its unfair that it is easier for couple to find properties within their budget (2 income) and get financing from a bank!

    And of course, racism & stupidity and traits that are found everywhere unfortunately.

  • #111456
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    The Spanish do not hate the Brits or anyone else for that matter. Of course hate is a very strong word. The Brits are known to be reserve and the Spaniard along with other nationailties are aware of this.

    Further if you move into a new Country wheter is in UK or another Country. It is always better for the new commer to make the move. Fuengi did the right thing of making the first intiative & has been richly rewarded from what I read. Racism of course exist every where in form or another, an indiviual has to rise above it. In order to rise above it is vital to know one self have confidence about oneself and one’s background..

    On the property front as said above the majority of the properties bought by Brits on the CDS or CB, were built as second homes with overseas buyers as their market. The Spaniards were never going to be the main buyers for personal &/or main occupation.

    Spaniards, like to live close to family & friends, they like to fall out of the bed & go down for coffee, shopping, cinema, etc. I cannot see Spaniard living in the far flung places where the Brits buy.

  • #111457
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    I’m English and I don’t like most of the crass Brits who are in Spain. Those who swear, stagger around drunk, sunburnt and with uncontrollable children. Who would like them?

    In general I think that if you learn Spanish and mix with the right types of Spaniards then you’ll get along fine. British ghettos where no one has bothered to learn Spanish isn’t a great idea for anyone.

  • #111458
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    There are ghettos in every Country. If one lives within one’s community & not venture out. In this case the new arrival & the host Country will never find out about one another & all the stereo types will continue to infest.

    I do agree with the remarks of “Itsme”. Their indignant behaviour frankly makes you want to almost denounce them.

  • #111466
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    The spanish are very Xenophobic. There are cases of bullying foreign kids all over the forums. Silly to pretend they welcome foreigners with open arms. The only ones that do are the spanish who earn money from residential tourism. Many spanish earnt a lot of money selling 20,000 slums to the British for 100,000 during the boom….the spaniards did it all themselves, they can’t complain now!

  • #111467
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    @katy wrote:

    The spanish are very Xenophobic.

  • #111468
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    @chopera wrote:

    @katy wrote:
    The spanish are very Xenophobic.

    Yeah not sure what to say really.

  • #111469
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    I second Chopera & Ardun.

  • #111470
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    If we are going to try and settle the matter a tiny bit. In cases of economic depressions hostility towards anything not familliar to oneself tend to strengthen. Mostly it’s a human defense mechanism to try and find a reason for why something went wrong when one cannot easily put ones finger on it. In some cases it’s even so that one can understand what is the real cause of the problem but its much easier to blame someone else. For example criminals often try and justify what they do so they can live with their deeds. If people actually had this in the back of their mind I bet lots of resentment towards for example foreigners would not be such a big issue.

    One stands closest to oneself and ones family and then your own social network…. foreigners are quite a far way down on such a scale and that is why nationalism often trumphs it.

  • #111471
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    It is the same back in the uk foreigners are blamed for taking all the jobs but really the truth is the brits complaining are too bloody lazy or feel the job is below them as if they are some how above those they are moaning about.In the case of the decent jobs the foreigners take its because they were brought in too fill a position because they were better qualified.

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    @katy wrote:

    The spanish are very Xenophobic. There are cases of bullying foreign kids all over the forums. Silly to pretend they welcome foreigners with open arms. The only ones that do are the spanish who earn money from residential tourism. Many spanish earnt a lot of money selling 20,000 slums to the British for 100,000 during the boom….the spaniards did it all themselves, they can’t complain now!

    The British were priced out of the British property market because of rising prices in Britain and so came to Spain in the hope of make a killing in Spain but the Spanish could see the British home buyers coming a mile away and knowing that the British leave their brains at Gatwick airport the Spanish could fleece the Brits for every penny they had and fleeced they were. The Spanish knew full well that the Brits were used to paying high prices for property in the UK and the Spanish created the illusion that Spain was a country where high property prices were the norm by saying what a progressive and ultra-modern country Spain has become when in reality it was just the same old facist corrupt cesspit that it has always been but the Brits couldn’t see this reality after becoming intoxicated on all that cheap sangria.

    Properties that should have cost only 20,000 euros were sold for 100,000 euros which makes it a 400% increase. Now that the crash is well under way those properties that were sold for 100,000 euros will revert back to being worth just 20,000 euros which amounts to a 80% fall in prices. The Brits have been taken for a ride and the Spanish are having a laugh knowing that they can now buy back the same properties that they sold them for 80% less than what they sold them for, buying them for the original price they bought them for in the first place.

  • #111473
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    As per jakesuper. Than Spanish should love the Brits & it should be the Brits who should hate the Spaniard

  • #111474
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    @jakesuper wrote:

    but the Spanish could see the British home buyers coming a mile away and knowing that the British leave their brains at Gatwick airport the Spanish could fleece the Brits for every penny they had and fleeced they were.

    The vast majority of all these properties built in the boom have been purchased by the Spanish. It’s the Spanish that have been fleeced.

  • #111475
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    Agree with JP1.

    The property prices where established by the developers as per open market. A list was provided to the selling agent or the developer’s sales staff at the sales office.

    Sales staff looked up at the price list for a particular property that the buyer was interested in. The list was the same residents or Brit.

    The majority of the sales taking place in the boom year were to the Spaniards.

  • #111476
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    Weren’t many illegal properties sold to Spaniards though. Racism is institutionalised in Spain be it as in the case of the Priors where their house was demolished and the larger villa next door belonging to a Spaniard still stands! At the lesser scale the funcionarios who often reply to valid complaints such as having no water, child bullying, blocking an entrance gate with the stock phrase If you don’t like it go back to your own country Something that would be a sackable offence in the UK.

    Put all the silly childish photos on you want but there is lots of complaints around the British forums and there is lots of racist comments around the Spanish forums. On a positive note the Spanish dislike the Gypsies more than they dislike the British :mrgreen:

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    @katy wrote:

    Weren’t many illegal properties sold to Spaniards though. Racism is institutionalised in Spain be it as in the case of the Priors where their house was demolished and the larger villa next door belonging to a Spaniard still stands! At the lesser scale the funcionarios who often reply to valid complaints such as having no water, child bullying, blocking an entrance gate with the stock phrase If you don’t like it go back to your own country Something that would be a sackable offence in the UK.

    Put all the silly childish photos on you want but there is lots of complaints around the British forums and there is lots of racist comments around the Spanish forums. On a positive note the Spanish dislike the Gypsies more than they dislike the British :mrgreen:

    πŸ™„ Of course there is a lot of racism in Spain. Not many illegal properties were sold to Spanish because they could read the documents presented to them and did not use a lawyer ( πŸ˜‰ )
    I notice the other villas of the Foreigners around the Prioers are also left standing. Must mean the Spanish were only targeting the brits then.

    Yes there are a lot of complaints about racism on british forums. Look how easy it is to find blatantly racist comments about the Spanish on this forum, where most forum users appear to be British. So based on this most brits interested in Spain, are quite racist. But when anyone points this out they become part of the ‘pc brigade’.

    I personally think that Many (not all or even the majority) don’t realise how many do the exact same things in Spain as many minorities do in the UK. And then wonder why the majority don’t accept them.
    Anyone on this forum ever talk to a Brit who has gone back to the UK on holiday and has complained about ‘all the foreigners’, ‘no-one speaks english anymore’, etc… Yet they live in their little ‘enclave’, do not speak spanish, etc…

  • #111481
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    @katy wrote:

    Weren’t many illegal properties sold to Spaniards though. Racism is institutionalised in Spain be it as in the case of the Priors where their house was demolished and the larger villa next door belonging to a Spaniard still stands! At the lesser scale the funcionarios who often reply to valid complaints such as having no water, child bullying, blocking an entrance gate with the stock phrase If you don’t like it go back to your own country Something that would be a sackable offence in the UK.

    Put all the silly childish photos on you want but there is lots of complaints around the British forums and there is lots of racist comments around the Spanish forums. On a positive note the Spanish dislike the Gypsies more than they dislike the British :mrgreen:

    Maybe you meant to write something like “I know of a lot of cases of xenophobia in Spain” rather than “The Spanish are very xenophobic” ?

  • #111482
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    Not really πŸ™„

  • #111484
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    The Spanish do not use a lawyer.

  • #111485
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    They rarely buy illegal homes either as in most cases eg. Axarquia all the locals were in cahoots with the mayor and his friends…they knew they were illegal and watched the brits buying them. 😈

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    I agree with you Fuengi. I have the same problem with my fellow countrymen when I go to Spain. They live in their little enclaves but luckily in most cases they are to few so they still need to learn the language somewhat. It’s not only britts but you have a big population so the problem is more wide spread.

  • #111489
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    Having spanish family and friends you can count me out of enclaves. It’s hearsay anyway. The Spanish prefer them in their own “enclaves”. They earn money by gardening, odd jobs etc from the foreigners. Far better than having them taking over their pueblo and in their face all the time :mrgreen:

  • #111491
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    “They rarely buy illegal homes either as in most “

    Away from the subject. However if they knew or who ever knew than it stand to reason that they should not have bought them.

    ” All the locals were in cahoots with the mayor and his friends…they knew they were illegal and watched the brits buying them “

    I remind you ” Caveat emptor ” besides the local probebly knew that one day they will be legalised.

  • #111492
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    @katy wrote:

    Not really πŸ™„

    Then it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Making a generalisation that “the Spanish are very xenophobic” based on a what you read on internet forums is xenophobic in itself. The fact that you yourself post your xenophobia on this internet forum is doubly hypocritical.

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    @chopera wrote:

    @katy wrote:
    Not really πŸ™„

    Then it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Making a generalisation that “the Spanish are very xenophobic” based on a what you read on internet forums is xenophobic in itself. The fact that you yourself post your xenophobia on this internet forum is doubly hypocritical.

    You should go easy on Katy. Despite boasting for a long time of escaping from horrible Spain to her perfect English abode, she’s got “Costa del Sol” as her location. Either she’s very confused or updates her status according to holiday location. Or she’s trying to deceive us all πŸ˜‰

  • #111497
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    When I get around to it I shall change it to 14 years on the CDS, 1 year in the campo and 1 year at sevilla university…that good enough for Yuz :mrgreen: There is some deceiving going on here and it sure aint me!

  • #111499
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    Don’t mind us Katy, we’re Brits! It’s the Spanish who hate you, remember?

  • #111507
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    @dbmarcos99 wrote:

    @chopera wrote:
    @katy wrote:
    Not really πŸ™„

    Then it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Making a generalisation that “the Spanish are very xenophobic” based on a what you read on internet forums is xenophobic in itself. The fact that you yourself post your xenophobia on this internet forum is doubly hypocritical.

    You should go easy on Katy. Despite boasting for a long time of escaping from horrible Spain to her perfect English abode, she’s got “Costa del Sol” as her location. Either she’s very confused or updates her status according to holiday location. Or she’s trying to deceive us all πŸ˜‰

    After 14 years on the CDS I think she should go easy on the Spanish πŸ˜†

  • #111516
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    You can scoff all you want…how old are you 14 πŸ™„

    I stand by what I said and I could write a book on British peoples experiences. Don’t need to though, the forums are full of stories. My Husband worked at the CDS hospital and I could tell you a bit about the attitudes of some staff there too.

  • #111517
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    I could write a book on experiences on Americans, English, Germans, Indians, Polish & so what does that prove

    Chopra’s posting are informative, analytical & subjective where required.

  • #111519
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    Perhaps they are on some threads. Not much evidence on this one though is there of his skills πŸ˜† As I said he has sunk to the level of a 14 yr old :mrgreen: I did say the evidence is around the forums, not much on this one as it’s property based but on others there is plenty. I don’t talk through my ass or google like some of the dreamers, I post from experience and the experience of many friends. Many would not notice discrimination as the only Spaniards they deal with are when they are spending money with them.

  • #111521
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    @katy wrote:

    You can scoff all you want…how old are you 14 πŸ™„

    I stand by what I said and I could write a book on British peoples experiences. Don’t need to though, the forums are full of stories. My Husband worked at the CDS hospital and I could tell you a bit about the attitudes of some staff there too.

    I’m not denying what you said about British peoples’ experiences. I have no reason to doubt you and agree that cases such as the Prior’s are disgraceful. The problem is that you used what you have read on forums to make a generalisation about the Spanish people being very xenophobic. All of them. Including your friends and family, and mine, and those of other forum posters.

    It’s easily done and no doubt in moments of frustration I’m sure I have made similar comments about the “Spanish being such and such”, “the French being like this”, “the British like that”, etc, and I would have left it if it wasn’t for the obvious (and rather amusing) hypocrisy in your comment, and the fact that writing such things on forums tends to perpetuate the very thing you are being critical of. So I gave you the chance to clarify what you wrote (which I thought was quite generous considering your agression towards other posters) but you stood by it and in return resorted to your usual aggression. My mistake, I thought all these judgements you made of people based on nationality, which part of London they live in, etc was just banter. It seems I was wrong.

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