Beware Real Estate TV!!!!

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  • #53798
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    It has a couple of channels on SKY.

    All their programmes are so out of date, I watched one recently that was pushing Spanish property, but it was over 4 years old, saying the market will rise 10% p.a. from 2005. We all know it´s since fallen badly, and still dropping fast, unless you´re one of those agents who are still lying about things!

    It´s fraudulent to even show such out of date programmes, they should be taken off air because there will still be some naive people who won´t even know the date of these shows, now will know of the scams still going on with Spanish property.

    As for being a buyer´s market, it´s not at these exchange rates, maybe up to 20% dearer than a few months ago, and property is still up to 30% overpriced without the exchange rate problems on the Costas especially, this could mean overpaying by as much as 50%, you´ll never get your money back if you wanted to!

  • #80229
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    I agree, Angie. This should be one for the TV watchdogs to investigate. They should insist that EVERY property programme, whether referring to the UK or abroad, has the date it was made permanently shown on the screen. Otherwise, the gullible can be easily misled.

  • #80230
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    I agree, Angie. This should be one for the TV watchdogs to investigate. They should insist that EVERY property programme, whether referring to the UK or abroad, has the date it was made permanently shown on the screen. Otherwise, the gullible can be easily misled.

  • #80232
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    Hi all.
    Yes I agree with you guys that any t.v programmes should be up to date and give the present day facts as they can mis lead viewers and give a picture that is a million miles away from what is really happening out there.
    There seems to be e.u bodies set up for everything else, where are the regulators when it come to showing items that are incorrect and misleading?

    bettyboo

  • #80233
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    I agree with the comments entirely. Unfortunately, it seems that things have happened so quickly, that the likes of A Place in the Sun gives a chuckle and could be seen as mis-leading. There again, it was never really that factual and realistic when it came to prices?
    I got fed up with presenters telling viewers that they need to make a decision now or risk losing the property, also, how they could make 15% p.a.
    Wonder how many properties Ms Lamb bought seeing as they were such a good and guaranteed investment?

  • #80239
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    Maybe programs such as A place in the Sun have been listening to you..we recently appeared (on the 18th March) Hotspots program and it was filmed only 3 weeks before it was aired…our bit is on youtube if you are interested, shows how beautiful Asturias is!

    And Amanda Lamb seemed very nice, normal and down to earth..remember at the end of the day, its Channel four that calls the shots and decides what is shown and I know from our experience, they can severely edit what is said and still make it sound like a sensible answer!!

    Heather

  • #80247
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    Personally, I think airing such out of date progs. is fraudulent, another form of Property Scams, at the very least it´s gross deception but on a mass scale, do you agree?

    In the case of one of the channels the 2 agents involved on the credits were Viva Estates and Kristine Zsekerly (not sure of her spelling), I understand they are now franchise agents, so avoid these agents along with Awful Estates.

  • #80251
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    agreed. saying its a buyers market to the british right now is ridiculous.
    But its a great time to sell, and a brits can drop his/her price quite a bit a still net the same amount in pounds.

  • #80260
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    Maybe programs such as A place in the Sun have been listening to you..we recently appeared (on the 18th March) Hotspots program and it was filmed only 3 weeks before it was aired…our bit is on youtube if you are interested, shows how beautiful Asturias is!

    And Amanda Lamb seemed very nice, normal and down to earth..remember at the end of the day, its Channel four that calls the shots and decides what is shown and I know from our experience, they can severely edit what is said and still make it sound like a sensible answer!!

    PRECISELY MY POINT IN THE EARLIER POT…PEOPLE WILL STILL BE WATCHING THIS PROGRAMME IN FIVE YEARS TIMES….PUT THE DATE IN THE CORNER OF THE SCREEN!

  • #80277
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    The date the programme was made, or at least the dates exchange rates were calculated, are shown on the end credits of these programmes.

    Cheap, out of date TV, yes. A scam, no.

    Even these out of date programmes still serve a useful purpose for helping to identify what locations in Spain to focus on when searching for a property before thinking about the actual bricks & mortar.

  • #80282
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    Beware Real Estate TV….hmm.

    It reminds me of a DT article posted here (a couple of years ago?) with Amanda Lamb featuring a particular village – inland from Valencia I think.
    If I remember rightly it was actually a DT reporter who visited said village on the strength of the programme to see how ‘real’ the programme was, and found a few ‘discrepancies’ and the reality rather different.

    The below is from memory but it went roughly like this:

    Amanda: If you want to find the best property bargains, have a chat with the friendly local village mayor here. He knows everything going on and will be happy to help you.
    Reality: After the programme was aired, a rather bewildered mayor couldn’t understand why suddenly he was inaundated with Brits suddenly arriving on his doorstep wanting to know where all the bargains in the village were. Was not a happy bunny.

    Amanda: The ideal place to find that new life in the Spanish sunshine.
    Reality: Failed to mention that for a large part of the Winter months, being up in the hills, it’s freezing with biting winds.

    Nice shot interviewing the property-hunting couple while sitting by an attractive fountain in the village square.
    Realitiy: That bit was filmed in a totally different village up the road!

    Will try and find the link.

  • #80283
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    It was about property in Teruel. I remember it well.

    Mark

  • #80284
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    I have seen 2 BBC programmes this week (Living in the Sun). Both had cuples who were looking for property in marbella. All 6 properties they were shown were not actually in marbella but in El Paraiso (Estepona). They did not mention this. The shots of the couple were on the beach at marbella which gave the impression to viewers that the houses were there. This series is not a repeat either.

  • #80285
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    Teruel – that’s the one Mark.

    Found it. Goodness, it was nearly three years ago.
    Doesn’t time fly when you’re having a good time 🙁 ……….. 😉

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2005/05/28/pcold28.xml

  • #80299
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    Sorry to disagree with you re scam gg, I think ANY potential or actual miselling even due to out of date TV is part of the scam that has been Spanish Property sales for years. It serves no purpose whatsoever to feature such out of date news, many people will still be suckered in to buying property because of this.

  • #80307
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    Hi I am afraid I have to agree with Angie, why would and t.v programme put on a programme that was so out of date and also out of touch with reality? The reason I think that it id deliberate and that organisations with vested interest are paying to have it broadcast. This may seem very far fetched to some people reading this but from my experience in Spain I would be surprised by nothing at this stage.

  • #80325
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    @bettyboo wrote:

    ….put on a programme that was so out of date and also out of touch with reality?

    Tonight on BBC Prime they showed the Spanish expat-buying programme hosted by Nadia Sawalha.
    It showed a couple looking at £70,000 properties inland Andalucia. Fortunately I could understand the Roman numerals at the end of the programme….made in 2004.
    Can’t the BBC do better than that? There really is no excuse for this.

    edited to correct Nadia’s name. (so it wasn’t Swaziland 😳 ) The programme is ‘Living in the Sun’.

  • #80346
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    Have just tried emailing RE TV but for some reason my email does not get sent. I complained about how misleading their 4 year out of date progs. were, sending out wrong signals and being financed by some of the rogue agents that have been misleading people for years.

    I googled their website and it says contact us, but mine won´t send, can anyone have a try on my behalf please and tell them a post has been made on Mark´s website?

    Thanks

    Angie

  • #80425
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    It’s not just the Sky channels that are confusing the viewers with out of date programs. Channel 4 are currently televising “A place in the sun, Home or Away”. The credits at the end of the program state that prices were correct Summer 2005. These prices have no relevance to the current state of the markets anywhere and as such the producers should be had up under the trades description act.

  • #80465
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    Totally agree with you Vera, these progs. are sooooooo deceiving.

    Amanda Lamb anoys me too, often pushes property abroad as new hot spots, then she comes back a couple of years later with progs like ´house trapped in the sun´ sometimes in the areas she´s promoted. I wouldn´t trust her opinion at all. She must be being paid well!

  • #80486
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    I am not particularly trying to stick up for Ms Lamb, as I sure she is more than capable of doing that herself if she wanted to, but judging from the above comments, I think that people seem to be targeting this program without having watched it recently!

    Just watched the whole of the Place in the Sun program we briefly appeared on to discover that the whole first section of the program is actually about the problems Brits (and Spaniards) are facing in the south with land grab and demolition of properties due to the Costas law.

    Our very own Mark appeared talking about the state of the market and giving advise and it was very clearly stated by Amanda that you should a) Do your research b) not expect to make a quick profit but buy for a holiday home long term and c) Find and use and independent lawyer…
    Am I mistaken or is that what anyone who has brought and gives good advise on this site would also advise…?

    Yes, I agree it is easy for TV companies to buy and rebroadcast programs but the presenters are not to be blamed. The program makers use researchers to find the info for the scripts and are probably told what area is “hot” by C4….infact in the part of the recent show about Asturias, a lot of the script seemed to be stuff we had told the researcher! The date of the program is at the end as someone has already commented and the date of exchange rates is also recorded in the end credits.

    Right, having got that off my chest I am off to do some gardening in the sunshine!!

    Have a good weekend everyone,

    Heather

  • #80487
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    May have done on that one programme but I have seen dozens where she has made totally misleading statements about planning laws, rental returns etc. watch some of the old ones and they seem just a mouthpiece for the estate agents.

  • #80490
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    I don’t think the up-to-date programmes are in question so much. As the opening poster of this thread said (and hence its title) it is the fact that so many out of date programmes are shown now. Four years is too much and certainly should be classed as past its sell date re. information value.
    Anyone unable to understand Roman numerals at the end of the programme will have no idea how out of date all the information is and is not good enough, especially when talking prices.
    As someone suggested, the date of the programme should be on permanent display in the corner of the screen.

  • #80498
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    I think some of Amanda Lamb´s programmes in the past have certainly duped people into making big mistakes, maybe not her fault entirely but that of the TV company being paid no doubt by the Real Estate industry, she is just the face of the programme but she does think she knows everything about every country now it seems which clearly she doesn´t.

    It´s mainly the Real Estate TV channels on Sky that are the topic of the posting, people like Ms Lamb and Andrew Winter, Carol Vorderman etc are making things worse sometimes.

    So Beware Real Estate TV!!!!! It will cost you dear!!!!

  • #80650
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    One of the prices we pay for having 600 television channels is the necessitity to keep re-showing old, out-of-date programmes.

    Sure, “A Place In The Sun” re-runs are on two or three channels on Sky and currently two or three different showings on Channel 4. But, in the end credits they all very clearly state when they were made, and when the exchange rate and prices were calculated. These programmes are more travelogues than up-to-date guides, and surely most people recognise that? Does anyone really go hotfooting it across to Spain, cheque book in hand because they’ve spotted a bargain on an edition of APITS from 2001?

    I feel absolutely certain that neither Amanda Lamb nor the producers are taking any sort of ” kickback” from estate agents or anyone else. But if you want to complain about this or Real Estate TV (who may have more of a financial interest in the Spanish property market ) contact OFCOM, who regulate the broadcst industry, including what’s on SKY.

    Ultimately, producers are attempting to make entertaining television programmes and may sometimes offer superficial analysis. (Like, Ms Lamb’s “Hotspots” to the contrary, I still don’t see Bulgaria as the next big thing!) But there are lots of other places (including this site, and Mark’s columns) that do have more indepth considered information.

  • #80822
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    One of the prices we pay for having 600 television channels is the necessitity to keep re-showing old, out-of-date programmes.

    Sure, “A Place In The Sun” re-runs are on two or three channels on Sky and currently two or three different showings on Channel 4. But, in the end credits they all very clearly state when they were made, and when the exchange rate and prices were calculated. These programmes are more travelogues than up-to-date guides, and surely most people recognise that? Does anyone really go hotfooting it across to Spain, cheque book in hand because they’ve spotted a bargain on an edition of APITS from 2001?

    I feel absolutely certain that neither Amanda Lamb nor the producers are taking any sort of ” kickback” from estate agents or anyone else. But if you want to complain about this or Real Estate TV (who may have more of a financial interest in the Spanish property market ) contact OFCOM, who regulate the broadcst industry, including what’s on SKY.

    Ultimately, producers are attempting to make entertaining television programmes and may sometimes offer superficial analysis. (Like, Ms Lamb’s “Hotspots” to the contrary, I still don’t see Bulgaria as the next big thing!) But there are lots of other places (including this site, and Mark’s columns) that do have more indepth considered information.

  • #80688
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    I´m absolutely certain that kickbacks ARE paid by Estate Agents and or Countries trying to promote their property sales, even in the form of advertising as on ITV, after all just look at the estate agents mentioned in the credits after some of the R.E. TV programmes!!!

  • #80888
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    I´m absolutely certain that kickbacks ARE paid by Estate Agents and or Countries trying to promote their property sales, even in the form of advertising as on ITV, after all just look at the estate agents mentioned in the credits after some of the R.E. TV programmes!!!

  • #80904
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    Only in the form of advertising…we certainly were not paid for appearing on APITS! The school my husband works at got great publicity though.

    I have also contributed to a few mag articles regarding Asturias and have never received anything for this, apart from the promise of a spot of advertising which usually doesn´t happen!

    However, the researchers, presenters and producers are paid…the list of credits just shows those who helped make or appeared in the program.

    Totally agree with DrRobert…

    Heather

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    Only in the form of advertising…we certainly were not paid for appearing on APITS! The school my husband works at got great publicity though.

    I have also contributed to a few mag articles regarding Asturias and have never received anything for this, apart from the promise of a spot of advertising which usually doesn´t happen!

    However, the researchers, presenters and producers are paid…the list of credits just shows those who helped make or appeared in the program.

    Totally agree with DrRobert…

    Heather

  • #81048
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    just because heather and robert are not involved or aware of such backhanders does not mean it doesn’t go on in spain, after all most town halls and mayors take them.

    drug money is laundered through property so a few promotional backhanders would be chicken feed.

    one tv channel is dedicated to one large agent so plenty of bias there, as for re tv they are so out of date promoting agents’ developments and so misleading it is almost criminal.

  • #80847
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    just because heather and robert are not involved or aware of such backhanders does not mean it doesn’t go on in spain, after all most town halls and mayors take them.

    drug money is laundered through property so a few promotional backhanders would be chicken feed.

    one tv channel is dedicated to one large agent so plenty of bias there, as for re tv they are so out of date promoting agents’ developments and so misleading it is almost criminal.

  • #81072
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    Yes, black money etc happens here but surely this is different from what Angie was suggesting that the TV companies etc paid the agents (or vice versa) for appearing?

    I noticed yesterday that BBC stated before “Homes under the hammer” that the program had first been shown in 2006. Maybe this is the answer..only watch the BBC 😀

  • #80870
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    Yes, black money etc happens here but surely this is different from what Angie was suggesting that the TV companies etc paid the agents (or vice versa) for appearing?

    I noticed yesterday that BBC stated before “Homes under the hammer” that the program had first been shown in 2006. Maybe this is the answer..only watch the BBC 😀

  • #81076
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    I saw the last 10 mins of a similar programme today. Homes by the sea (or similar) the couple were looking for a house in Cádiz area. The (new) villa didn’t have mains water but was due in a few years time. The area was due to be urbanised and when it was they would have to pay a one off fee of 5000 euros and the value of the house would increase by at least 100%! Probably illegal then! The presenter went on to give totally unrealistic rental predictions 🙄

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    I saw the last 10 mins of a similar programme today. Homes by the sea (or similar) the couple were looking for a house in Cádiz area. The (new) villa didn’t have mains water but was due in a few years time. The area was due to be urbanised and when it was they would have to pay a one off fee of 5000 euros and the value of the house would increase by at least 100%! Probably illegal then! The presenter went on to give totally unrealistic rental predictions 🙄

  • #80963
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    Heather, I’m so convinced that some less reputable agents pay the tv co. to promote their developments, not the other way round as you put it, I’m trying to find out but I can’t get through to RE TV by phone or email yet.

    The payment might be advertising fee but anything might be possible.

    Whatever, this is my opininion, and quite likely that of others too, but eitherway it is misleading naive purchasers by showing such out of date programmes.

    So back to the topic!

    Beware of RE TV!!! 😉 It’s a sham!!! 😉

  • #81101
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    Heather, I’m so convinced that some less reputable agents pay the tv co. to promote their developments, not the other way round as you put it, I’m trying to find out but I can’t get through to RE TV by phone or email yet.

    The payment might be advertising fee but anything might be possible.

    Whatever, this is my opininion, and quite likely that of others too, but eitherway it is misleading naive purchasers by showing such out of date programmes.

    So back to the topic!

    Beware of RE TV!!! 😉 It’s a sham!!! 😉

  • #81159
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    As I undertand it, Real Estate TV is like the TV shopping channels (QVC, for example) that SKY has a lot of. So, sure there are “presentations” which are designed to promote particular developments. Like on QVC etc, it’s obvious that’s what they are. There are, however, some quite informative magazines programmes like “Property Kings” and “Ask The Property Experts” which aren’t promotional presentations and often have some decent advice. They do keep repeating them, which may mean that some of them may be a little out of date. But again, the production date is usually at the end.

    I repeat my point; I’m certain that the producers of programmes like APITS are not “taking backhanders”. I worked in mainstream broadcast television for ten years and no-one ever offered me any!

  • #81315
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    As I undertand it, Real Estate TV is like the TV shopping channels (QVC, for example) that SKY has a lot of. So, sure there are “presentations” which are designed to promote particular developments. Like on QVC etc, it’s obvious that’s what they are. There are, however, some quite informative magazines programmes like “Property Kings” and “Ask The Property Experts” which aren’t promotional presentations and often have some decent advice. They do keep repeating them, which may mean that some of them may be a little out of date. But again, the production date is usually at the end.

    I repeat my point; I’m certain that the producers of programmes like APITS are not “taking backhanders”. I worked in mainstream broadcast television for ten years and no-one ever offered me any!

  • #81217
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    I think you´re missing the point robert, it makes little difference whether backhanders are being paid although I expect they are (they are part of life in overseas property matters). The point is these programmes are so out of date and should be taken off air and the true picture should be presented which is that Spanish property and that of many other so called emerging markets is not a good buy/investment now because much of it is falling fast and likely to fall much further yet, plus the exchange rate makes it uneconomical.

  • #81357
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    I think you´re missing the point robert, it makes little difference whether backhanders are being paid although I expect they are (they are part of life in overseas property matters). The point is these programmes are so out of date and should be taken off air and the true picture should be presented which is that Spanish property and that of many other so called emerging markets is not a good buy/investment now because much of it is falling fast and likely to fall much further yet, plus the exchange rate makes it uneconomical.

  • #81510
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    As I said before, Paul, if you have a complaint about anything you see on TV, raise your objections with OFCOM.

    (By the way, the programmes I mentioned are on Overseas Property TV, not Real Estate Television! Oops! RET do have some similar ones, however.)

  • #81512
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    I saw a programme today, houses in Cornwall for 350,000. I thought they looked very nice for the money but thought it would have been last year. At the end it said 2004..ouch!

  • #81550
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    Things seem a bit fishy with RE TV when for some reason despite trying many times their phone number is always engaged/off the hook (can’t tell which), and if I try and email them via their website it never sends.

    More reason not to trust their spin that’s 4-5 years out of date?

  • #81829
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    🙁 Had a look at another SKY real estate channel last night, not so old as those other 2 channels but pushing property around Mar Menor etc saying what a buyer´s market is is for (wait for it) INVESTORS. What a load of misleading rubbish 👿

    I also phoned RE TV on their UK freephone no. and guess what, ´they won´t give anyone their email address, nor will they phone back´.

    They obviously know just what they are doing and don´t want it stopped, programmes 4-5 years out of date. 👿

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