50,000 illegal homes in the province!

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  • #56150
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    50,000 illegal homes need an amnesty. They range from Estepona in the West, Mijas, up as far as Ronda, Guadalhorce valley etc.

    Official figure as the Sur says so :mrgreen:

    http://www.diariosur.es/v/20110313/malaga/viviendas-quieren-amnistia-20110313.html

  • #103244
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    And 12,697 illegal homes in Almanzora Valley ……apparently also “official”. 920 of these earmarked for demolition.

    Snotty comments from The Minister for Housing and Planning, Josefina Cruz. Great gutsy comments from Maura Hillen, president of Abusos Urbanisticos Almanzora NO (AUAN).

    http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_29580.shtml

  • #103399
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    And 12,697 illegal homes in Almanzora Valley ……apparently also “official”. 920 of these earmarked for demolition.

    Snotty comments from The Minister for Housing and Planning, Josefina Cruz. Great gutsy comments from Maura Hillen, president of Abusos Urbanisticos Almanzora NO (AUAN).

    http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_29580.shtml

  • #103246
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    Christ, both articles are only in the Spanish press, but they’re bound to be picked up by the English media. A thousand demolitions? One, in the same area, has already discouraged thousands of foreign buyers; a thousand would surely signal the death knell for all foreign buyers.

    And, reading the comments on Katy’s link, the Spanish people don’t seem to understand the seriousness of the situation. It’s all very well complaining that the local countryside has been destroyed by foreign buyers, which is true, but surely the authorities should have put a stop to it? And not waited until the illegal houses were built right under their noses?

    I was in the company of happy expats today, revelling in incredible sunshine on a Spanish beach to die for, but those factors are going to be overshadowed by the realisation that you cannot safely buy a property in Spain.

    A thousand demolitions? It’s madness.

  • #103400
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    Christ, both articles are only in the Spanish press, but they’re bound to be picked up by the English media. A thousand demolitions? One, in the same area, has already discouraged thousands of foreign buyers; a thousand would surely signal the death knell for all foreign buyers.

    And, reading the comments on Katy’s link, the Spanish people don’t seem to understand the seriousness of the situation. It’s all very well complaining that the local countryside has been destroyed by foreign buyers, which is true, but surely the authorities should have put a stop to it? And not waited until the illegal houses were built right under their noses?

    I was in the company of happy expats today, revelling in incredible sunshine on a Spanish beach to die for, but those factors are going to be overshadowed by the realisation that you cannot safely buy a property in Spain.

    A thousand demolitions? It’s madness.

  • #103252
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    @Rocker wrote:

    A thousand demolitions? It’s madness.

    The huge spoon of salt in the wound, besides this potential number of demolitions, is the tens of thousands who are ‘offered an amnesty’ to make their homes legal by being asked to pay. This is obviously ‘the solution’ sought by the Minister for Housing and Planning.

    It was the builders/developers who profited when they built and sold, the Town Hall rabble who profited by gleefully stashing away their brown envelopes full of bribes, and the Junta who profited by happily receiving all the taxes of these so-called illegal builds. Yet the Junta now deems it right that it’s the purchasers who should dig into their pockets to fill the Town Hall coffers to rectify the situation.

    These tens of thousands affected, relating their stories back home, will be just a big a turn off for potential purchasers as the demolitions and am sure these stories spread across Germany/Scandanavia as well. Imagine the bad PR that would spread from that number-wise.

    As you say Rocker, madness. Spain does not deserve any faith in their property market, it’s almost like it’s hell-bent on destroying it.

  • #103403
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    @Rocker wrote:

    A thousand demolitions? It’s madness.

    The huge spoon of salt in the wound, besides this potential number of demolitions, is the tens of thousands who are ‘offered an amnesty’ to make their homes legal by being asked to pay. This is obviously ‘the solution’ sought by the Minister for Housing and Planning.

    It was the builders/developers who profited when they built and sold, the Town Hall rabble who profited by gleefully stashing away their brown envelopes full of bribes, and the Junta who profited by happily receiving all the taxes of these so-called illegal builds. Yet the Junta now deems it right that it’s the purchasers who should dig into their pockets to fill the Town Hall coffers to rectify the situation.

    These tens of thousands affected, relating their stories back home, will be just a big a turn off for potential purchasers as the demolitions and am sure these stories spread across Germany/Scandanavia as well. Imagine the bad PR that would spread from that number-wise.

    As you say Rocker, madness. Spain does not deserve any faith in their property market, it’s almost like it’s hell-bent on destroying it.

  • #103254
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    Have just seen this thread started yesterday by lenox (Regional Property Forum) regarding the same Minister Josefina Cruz. Unbelievable utterings from a supposedly intelligent representative of the Spanish government.

    Shakeel accused me the other day of “having a problem with foreigners” – I think you picked the wrong woman Shakeel. 😉

    viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5594

  • #103404
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    Have just seen this thread started yesterday by lenox (Regional Property Forum) regarding the same Minister Josefina Cruz. Unbelievable utterings from a supposedly intelligent representative of the Spanish government.

    Shakeel accused me the other day of “having a problem with foreigners” – I think you picked the wrong woman Shakeel. 😉

    viewtopic.php?f=20&t=5594

  • #103256
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    Charlie, fully agree with your posting no 2509. As they claim to have learnt from their lessons. I sugguest they first make an immediate & more than just & fair settlement with Mr & Mrs Price.
    I was at the ” A place in sun ” exhibition yesterday at Earls Court. There were a few Spanish exhibitors They were chatting & planning their siesta. I was at the exhibition for nearly two hours and kept an eye on the Spanish stall. The only one who had some interest was a well known developer from the Costa Blanca

  • #103405
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    Charlie, fully agree with your posting no 2509. As they claim to have learnt from their lessons. I sugguest they first make an immediate & more than just & fair settlement with Mr & Mrs Price.
    I was at the ” A place in sun ” exhibition yesterday at Earls Court. There were a few Spanish exhibitors They were chatting & planning their siesta. I was at the exhibition for nearly two hours and kept an eye on the Spanish stall. The only one who had some interest was a well known developer from the Costa Blanca

  • #103258
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    Charlie, I am sure that you dont have a problem with foreignors. You have problems being ruled by foreignors ” Mr Rumpy Pumpy” in this this instance. The fact is as a citizen we are rlued by some one or the other. It can be home grown or not even if they are German or Greek extraction. Our views collective or not are ignored with disdain and arrogance.
    Please do not say that we have the right to vote them in the next election. The elections are not fought on one single issue & even if they are the politicians will later ingnore it/them and will have five years to fill their pockets & develop contacts.
    No system is perfect & it is for this reason that Mr Rumpy pumpy, Blair, Sarkozy, Cameron who ever does not matter.

  • #103406
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    Charlie, I am sure that you dont have a problem with foreignors. You have problems being ruled by foreignors ” Mr Rumpy Pumpy” in this this instance. The fact is as a citizen we are rlued by some one or the other. It can be home grown or not even if they are German or Greek extraction. Our views collective or not are ignored with disdain and arrogance.
    Please do not say that we have the right to vote them in the next election. The elections are not fought on one single issue & even if they are the politicians will later ingnore it/them and will have five years to fill their pockets & develop contacts.
    No system is perfect & it is for this reason that Mr Rumpy pumpy, Blair, Sarkozy, Cameron who ever does not matter.

  • #103264
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    Shakeel, I heard AIFOS were going to be at the exhibition, is it correct? Were they many punters overall?

  • #103409
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    Shakeel, I heard AIFOS were going to be at the exhibition, is it correct? Were they many punters overall?

  • #103270
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    Katy, I did not see AIFOS, I was there at around 11.15 a.m. there were a few people. I would say 50% from the glory days. I however have no idea how many were there on the first two days.

  • #103412
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    Katy, I did not see AIFOS, I was there at around 11.15 a.m. there were a few people. I would say 50% from the glory days. I however have no idea how many were there on the first two days.

  • #103278
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    Hi Katy,

    I was at Earl’s Court on Saturday, and yes, AIFOS did have a stand there. The exhibition wasn’t particularly busy – which meant getting “mugged” by bored reps! The “moving to Spain” seminar was pretty full, with the ususal “it’s never been a better time to buy” mantra. According to one of the panel (Taylor Woodrow), prices on the CDS are on the up!! I rapidly became as bored as the reps, so didn’t hang about. Don’t know why I bothered going really; they’re never particularly enlightening – the same old same old……

  • #103416
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    Hi Katy,

    I was at Earl’s Court on Saturday, and yes, AIFOS did have a stand there. The exhibition wasn’t particularly busy – which meant getting “mugged” by bored reps! The “moving to Spain” seminar was pretty full, with the ususal “it’s never been a better time to buy” mantra. According to one of the panel (Taylor Woodrow), prices on the CDS are on the up!! I rapidly became as bored as the reps, so didn’t hang about. Don’t know why I bothered going really; they’re never particularly enlightening – the same old same old……

  • #103284
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    I should go to the next year’s one with my glasses on.

  • #103419
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    I should go to the next year’s one with my glasses on.

  • #103427
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    @charlie wrote:

    @Rocker wrote:
    A thousand demolitions? It’s madness.

    The huge spoon of salt in the wound, besides this potential number of demolitions, is the tens of thousands who are ‘offered an amnesty’ to make their homes legal by being asked to pay. This is obviously ‘the solution’ sought by the Minister for Housing and Planning.

    It was the builders/developers who profited when they built and sold, the Town Hall rabble who profited by gleefully stashing away their brown envelopes full of bribes, and the Junta who profited by happily receiving all the taxes of these so-called illegal builds. Yet the Junta now deems it right that it’s the purchasers who should dig into their pockets to fill the Town Hall coffers to rectify the situation.

    These tens of thousands affected, relating their stories back home, will be just a big a turn off for potential purchasers as the demolitions and am sure these stories spread across Germany/Scandanavia as well. Imagine the bad PR that would spread from that number-wise.

    As you say Rocker, madness. Spain does not deserve any faith in their property market, it’s almost like it’s hell-bent on destroying it.

    Exactly the reasons why no-one in their right mind should buy anything until they are resolved to the confidence of the market as I posted earlier (I listed 4 major reasons)

    What a dysfunctional state of affairs.

    — Munky

  • #103434
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    Josefina Cruz Villalón, Minister for Housing and Planning

    Her words – and attitude towards foreign purchasers:

    “the intrusion of people”

    “a group of people who are not of this country and who have settled here illegally”

    “a group of people who have settled illegally in our territory”

    “We are trying to address a problem that has occurred in Andalucia as a consequence of a lack of respect for the culture of the territory, for the culture of the landscape and for the planning culture”

    Mumky wrote: “What a dysfunctional state of affairs.”
    Are you surprised when ministers like this one is dysfunctional herself, in total denial.
    I get the feeling she will only be happy if all intruding foreigners are rounded up and put into camps.

    My message to her re. the last statement I quoted: I suggest you start with your own Town Halls, dear.

  • #103443
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    I remember well these property exhibitions. Went to one in Docklands an Ocean Estates only show.

    At questions and answers time, a pal of mine stood up in front of their Directors and dodgy lawyer and asked some pertinent questions which Chairman Mac couldn’t answer as a result no-one bought at that seminar, they all crowded round my pal asking for the truth, had a lot to thank him for. Their Directors including husband and wife were livid, spitting feathers, tried to usher him out, but he’d done the trick all on his own too.

    Absolutely Fabulous being there, then an expose on them in the Sunday Times followed, the rest is history or at least they are, except in Thailand now. 😆

    Shows the power of the people and internet if you get scammed 8)

  • #91762
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    I try & inform people of the normal sales pitch where ever I can. I did this to a couple about six years ago. They were so thankful that we became friends to this day.

    On Sunday I did advise an elderly gentelman about buying in Pego, Northern Costa Blanca. The fact that it does get very windy in Denia.

  • #91487
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    @shakeel wrote:

    I try & inform people of the normal sales pitch where ever I can. I did this to a couple about six years ago. They were so thankful that we became friends to this day.

    On Sunday I did advise an elderly gentelman about buying in Pego, Northern Costa Blanca. The fact that it does get very windy in Denia.

    And pego floods every year

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